What if they decline his 5th yr option today?

I suspect they will. Doesn't change his past or what Veach has said about him for 2023.

He can't stay healthy and if Pacheco keeps his 2nd half of 2022 rolling then it doesn't make sense to lock in $5.5M for CEH. Doesn't mean CEH is a bust, just means that today and in the future there is a better, cheaper option

Fair enough but I would argue otherwise. Don't want to clutter up this thread though with CEH talk.

and hopefully you are excited that it shows Moore and Rice are doing great... If not, you are a shitty fan hoping you were proven right.

Especially when Kiper has openly admitted he uses his own opinion to elevate certain guys in the draft. He's a shill not an analyst and anybody that quotes him should be ashamed.

What kills me is the general consensus on social media. It's not that Rice is slow and can't separate, or that he has a lot of drops.

It's that we drafted Rice instead of - get this - another CB. It seems the general consensus is that all of our rookie DB's sucked so bad, there's no time to develop them. They need to be replaced, and just a year after they were drafted.

The average Chiefs fan is just...well... :shrug:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a>, Rashee Rice is your guy to count on �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CutToIt?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CutToIt</a>✂️ | <a href="https://twitter.com/UnderdogFantasy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UnderdogFantasy</a> <a href="https://t.co/JyyK2WMWKW">pic.twitter.com/JyyK2WMWKW</a></p>&mdash; Steve Smith Sr. (@SteveSmithSr89) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteveSmithSr89/status/1653384320344522756?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What he's suggesting is that you inform yourself, not that you should watch a few YT clips and call it a day. That means consuming as many sources as you can. That gives you composite data that then you can analyze and see both the good and the bad. It's not just "watch the tape" it's about reading and watching the guys that ACTUALLY "watch the tape" and figuring out which ones are reliable, and which ones aren't.

So excited they declined his 5th-year option?

I found this draft pick interesting. Mahomes likes to throw to the open guy, not just toss it up for contention, but we move up and get the guy that is best known for catching while being harassed. Luckily that talent carries over to being good catching anything thrown at you, but a separation/route runner makes more sense.

Outside of a RB that we converted to WR our WR drafting has been a big solid meh. CB's, lineman, maybe even LB's and TE's have been pretty good, but until I see one of these guys blow up, I'm just not expecting much.

Overall, glad we went and got the WR we wanted, but outside of being a bit homerish I don't how can we go in with anything but low expectations.

What does 2024 have to do with 2023?

He has to prove he can stay healthy, which was a focal point of what Veach said about him for 2023 while mentioning he is in tremendous shape. Just because you have hopes for a guy doesnt mean you preemptively lock him up in the future when your option is to let things unfold without that guarantee incase shit doesnt work out like it hasn't for the past 2 seasons because of injury.

Is that because mahomes wants to or because he doesn’t have WRs who can do that? in many ways I think it’s good mahomes has learned to do this. I also feel like there were many instances last year where he had to bail or do superhuman things in the pocket but just doesn’t trust his WRs to make these kinds of plays. So I’m excited about finally having this option as long as he uses it sparingly.

Without a doubt he will need to get coached up on separation so he’s not just a jump ball WR.

You said "excited".

That's hyperbole, plain and simple.

Reminds me of that pass Pat threw to Tyreek in OT of the Bengals AFCCG. Rice probably catches that.

Yes. I used a word that Veach himself uttered.

Guess quoting a man is exaggerating what was said. My bad.

It is very much possible to be a little excited about your former 1st round pick showing up in "tremendous shape" and ready to work while at the same time acknowledging the business side of the relationship. I know, it's crazy to think about.

Every swinging dick thinks they are a SME. That's part of the problem, it's also a very rare instance where anyone on this board will re-evaluate. They just start calling other people dipshit reeruns and talking louder.