I think it should matter in terms of how much a player elevates their team above and beyond what's expected... not necessarily "what would the team do without him," but were they playing out of their mind.

I think the argument is definitely there for the Ravens still winning 10 or 11 games without Jackson last season or without his 3600 yards passing and 24 passing touchdowns. Hell, he probably has a better case this year given the defense sucks.

I'm kind of torn on Burrow this season, just from their terribly weak wins... yeah, maybe they only win 5 or 6 games without him, but damnit he really elevated his team to beat all those 4-win teams and the Broncos and are still in the playoff hunt.... :shrug:

What would the Eagles be without Saquon? Still a contender. They were in the sb two years ago.

My vote is Allen he’s had a great yr. What would the Bills be without Josh? An also ran watching the Dolphins win a tallest midget contest.

I’d consider Burrow if their record was better and frankly might change my mind if they weasel into the playoffs - yes that’s partially out of his control but team success factors into it for me.

Search settings can definitely tell you a lot about your team if that picture came up from “Burrow Super Bowl” ROFL That’s the difference between a team on the precipice of history and one that made a week 2 matchup their Super Bowl. Maybe if your players didn’t make that game your seasons Super Bowl you would have had a better chance based on your historic failures in those games. You all could have at least prepared for the worst team in the league the week before so you wouldn’t be in the position you’re in now rooting for our backups to save you all from another wasted season with valuable rookie contracts expiring

Primarily because one player can only do so much. What they have done should not be impacted by the failures of others. But they are, and I get it. It’s why I am saying that he won’t win it because he is the QB and his team’s record does matter.

An example of getting MVP despite team performance would be the Stanley Cup finals last year. Although Florida won it, McDavid was MVP. They gave it to him as it was clear that he was heads and toes the best player in that series despite his team winning it all.

Now Burrow has put up great numbers this year, but he’s not head and toes better than anyone else and because of that he won’t win.

I'd say a ~9-win team (and probably 10 after this weekend)... not like "with Trubinsky instead," but say Allen wasn't as good this season. He definitely elevated the team against some good competition. The Chiefs of course, the Lions game, put up 42 against the Rams in a loss (granted, his hero ball didn't help), do they beat the Dolphins in Buffalo without him.

Given the loss to the Texans, they'd potentially be 4th seed material.

Score.

How many wins do we have without Pat ?

4 or less.

I'm sure I'll catch heat for it here, but I think Burrow has been more impressive than the other 2 in terms of playing QB from the pocket.

Now Fauker, you’re on a Chiefs forum Mr.

You be nice and show some respect!

That's kind of a loaded question with how they seem to run things and just shut it down when they have a lead, plus his own struggles this year, but... 10 or 11 maybe?

Ravens... one of his best games of the season.
Bucs
Carolina, oddly

And then I'm kind of torn on the Bengals game (given he had two turnovers), Chargers SNF, Texans. Maybe Black Friday.

That's a tough one to figure out... he adds so much value ever week, yet struggled enough at times you had to wonder how he still managed to add enough value to win games (or luck into them).

Just bringing this back for a quick review.

3-13 in game winning drives

Pay attention Peej. This is how you do it.


Oh damn. I just remembered i have to go over to the RR to catch his reply. ROFL

"team that hates you the most in the league" ?
Can't speak for the "team", but as a life-long Cincy fan, I can unequivocally state that the team I hate most in the league is, and always will be, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Point.Blank.Period.