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Sure-Oz 07-07-2013 11:35 PM

Billy hitting 30 hrs is a fluke. I still see him more of a high 290 hitter with 40-50 doubles and more like 15-20 HR max

He's fat but he won't hit more than 20 hrs that often imo

Prison Bitch 07-07-2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9797591)
And if he had any protection in the lineup from any of the other turds who were supposed to have power, things might be different. They aren't. Our power at the plate is pathetic.

Bill James has already debunked the "protection" argument.

tk13 07-08-2013 12:09 AM

I don't think he's having as good of a year protection or not, but still... he's on pace for 90-100 walks this year. I don't have the stats up in front of me but he's in or near top 10 in baseball... he's definitely not getting as much to hit. Hopefully he adjusts.

It just kills me though, here's a guy who has a chance to be one of the 3-4 best hitters to ever put on a Royals uniform... he's just entering his prime years, and if he retired tomorrow he'd still probably be top 10, yet it feels like half the fan base is always riding him and doesn't care if he gets shipped out of town.

Chiefspants 07-08-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9797958)
I don't think he's having as good of a year protection or not, but still... he's on pace for 90-100 walks this year. I don't have the stats up in front of me but he's in or near top 10 in baseball... he's definitely not getting as much to hit. Hopefully he adjusts.

It just kills me though, here's a guy who has a chance to be one of the 3-4 best hitters to ever put on a Royals uniform... he's just entering his prime years, and if he retired tomorrow he'd still probably be top 10, yet it feels like half the fan base is always riding him and doesn't care if he gets shipped out of town.

Billy has around a .780 OPS. He's on pace for 100 RBI's and almost 100 walks this year.

Contrary to popular belief, we still do need Billy, but hey, if everybody is wanting a flashback to an offense worse than our 2010 production, by all means, get rid of country breakfast.

tomahawk kid 07-08-2013 05:13 AM

Does it seem to anyone else that Yost is flat out guessing like 90% of the time?

Why sit Salvy twice in one week, especially with Mendoza on the mound?

Also, why sit Escobar two games in a row? Is he hurt?

Tytanium 07-08-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9797966)
Billy has around a .780 OPS. He's on pace for 100 RBI's and almost 100 walks this year.

Contrary to popular belief, we still do need Billy, but hey, if everybody is wanting a flashback to an offense worse than our 2010 production, by all means, get rid of country breakfast.

I don't know what Billy does in the offseason, but I'm pretty sure it has a lot more to do with eating a lot of beef than beefing up for baseball. If he truly wants to be effective for this team, since we lack a prototypical slugger, he really needs to add a ton of muscle so he can crush homers. He can't run first to third, can barely score from second. He's the least athletic player on the team, by far.

Sure, he's a great hitter and he might be the first Royal to take 100+ walks in a season since 1989. But for a great hitter, he's less than useless on the basepaths. He needs to hit more homers, period. I don't care if his strikeouts go up (and they have already this year), he's got to hit 35+ to make up for his spare tire.

Prison Bitch 07-08-2013 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9797966)
Billy has around a .780 OPS. He's on pace for 100 RBI's and almost 100 walks this year.

Contrary to popular belief, we still do need Billy, but hey, if everybody is wanting a flashback to an offense worse than our 2010 production, by all means, get rid of country breakfast.

Nobody gives a crap about a cleanup hitter DH taking walks, gmafb. He's got a 0.5 WAR past the halfway point. He's not even worth 1 game above a replacement guy in 2013. Pathetic.


He sucks this year, it's ok to say it.

Great Expectations 07-08-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9797343)
Duffy has not had a good return thus far. Dude is getting roughed up in Omaha.

He has a 7+ ERA as a starter in Omaha. Pitched a nice scoreless 5 inning stint as a reliever, but starting......not so good.

It's early, but it would be nicer to see him playing at a higher level in AAA.

He had been much better as of late. The Royals are treating his time in Omaha as spring training, as he starts working in different pitches his numbers are improving.

duncan_idaho 07-08-2013 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9797343)
Duffy has not had a good return thus far. Dude is getting roughed up in Omaha.

He has a 7+ ERA as a starter in Omaha. Pitched a nice scoreless 5 inning stint as a reliever, but starting......not so good.

It's early, but it would be nicer to see him playing at a higher level in AAA.

He was Baseball Prospectus MiLB pitcher of the week just two weeks ago. His most recent start was not great, but he also was cruising through 5 IP as he got touched for two runs in the 6th inning. I'm sure they're trying to stretch him out.

Also, keep in mind that his first outing at AAA was a 7 ER, 2.1 IP disaster that is skewing the rest of the numbers a bit. Since that first start, he's pitched 23 2/3 innings with 25 K, just 9 walks (2.63 BB/9, which is solid and GOOD for Duffy) and 10 ER (3.80 ERA). He has a 1.23 WHIP in that time span.

He hasn't lit AAA on fire, but he's trending positive.

This is why, though, I've been cautious about penciling Duffy into the rotation and expecting him to pick up exactly where he left off. TJ surgery is not always predictable. His velocity is back...now he needs to regain his command.

WhawhaWhat 07-08-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9797954)
Bill James has already debunked the "protection" argument.

Was that before or after he debunked the Joe Paterno argument?

duncan_idaho 07-08-2013 08:34 AM

Re: Billy Butler...

The guy is never going to be a consistent, 35+ HR hitter in Kaufman Stadium. That isn't his deal. And people should really stop expecting that.

He SHOULD be a .300 hitter who draws a ton of walks and posts an OBP in the .375-.400 range, while also slugging around .475-.500.

What's concerning this year isn't just the HR gap... it's that he isn't hitting doubles to pick up the slack. Last year, his double rate fell off by about 50 percent as he turned a lot of 2Bs into HRs.

This year, he's 2Bing at the same lower rate but without the increased HR power.

And actually, looking at his splits, it looks like the high number of day games has really affected him. Billy is hitting .304/.381/.462 at night. Pretty standard line for him.

He's been terrible in day games this year, though. .211/.358/.266. He typically has been a little bit better at night than during day games, but this season is the first time he's been drastically worse in day games.

It's probably a fluke/small sample size thing, but it's also possible that his eyes have changed a little bit and he needs to think about trying something out. Possibly trying those orange glasses/contacts that many players use during day games...

Chiefspants 07-08-2013 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9798151)
Re: Billy Butler...

The guy is never going to be a consistent, 35+ HR hitter in Kaufman Stadium. That isn't his deal. And people should really stop expecting that.

He SHOULD be a .300 hitter who draws a ton of walks and posts an OBP in the .375-.400 range, while also slugging around .475-.500.

What's concerning this year isn't just the HR gap... it's that he isn't hitting doubles to pick up the slack. Last year, his double rate fell off by about 50 percent as he turned a lot of 2Bs into HRs.

This year, he's 2Bing at the same lower rate but without the increased HR power.

And actually, looking at his splits, it looks like the high number of day games has really affected him. Billy is hitting .304/.381/.462 at night. Pretty standard line for him.

He's been terrible in day games this year, though. .211/.358/.266. He typically has been a little bit better at night than during day games, but this season is the first time he's been drastically worse in day games.

It's probably a fluke/small sample size thing, but it's also possible that his eyes have changed a little bit and he needs to think about trying something out. Possibly trying those orange glasses/contacts that many players use during day games...

The day game SLG line is amazingly atrocious.

Tytanium 07-08-2013 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9798151)
Re: Billy Butler...

The guy is never going to be a consistent, 35+ HR hitter in Kaufman Stadium. That isn't his deal. And people should really stop expecting that.

He SHOULD be a .300 hitter who draws a ton of walks and posts an OBP in the .375-.400 range, while also slugging around .475-.500.

What's concerning this year isn't just the HR gap... it's that he isn't hitting doubles to pick up the slack. Last year, his double rate fell off by about 50 percent as he turned a lot of 2Bs into HRs.

This year, he's 2Bing at the same lower rate but without the increased HR power.

And actually, looking at his splits, it looks like the high number of day games has really affected him. Billy is hitting .304/.381/.462 at night. Pretty standard line for him.

He's been terrible in day games this year, though. .211/.358/.266. He typically has been a little bit better at night than during day games, but this season is the first time he's been drastically worse in day games.

It's probably a fluke/small sample size thing, but it's also possible that his eyes have changed a little bit and he needs to think about trying something out. Possibly trying those orange glasses/contacts that many players use during day games...

Billy has a great eye for the ball that most of our guys seem to lack. He just doesn't have the other tools that make a great ballplayer, especially as a DH. On this team, he can't afford to be as unathletic as he is.

According to the Royals website, he's 6'1" 240lbs. I'd put him at 5'11" 245 in real life. He's gotta drop at least 40lbs of fat (anyone who has seen his selfie KNOWS that's all dough and no go) to be in reasonably good shape. His relationship with food outside the game (rumors about his binge eating fetish notwithstanding) has to be brought under control, because it hurts his game if he's not pumping iron. Hell, Jason Giambi is 42 and is a better baserunner. Salvy can run circles around him. Adam Dunn could probably run circles around him and he's 6'6" ~285-300lb. In 2010, he got out-jumped by Joel Goldberg. JOEL GOLDBERG.

I like Billy, but to be effective on this team, he HAS to do something different. There are too many question marks in the lineup for him to not make the best of the opportunity he has (e.g. not being the Eric Cartman of baseball).

Prison Bitch 07-08-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9798140)
Was that before or after he debunked the Joe Paterno argument?

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomi...-doesnt-exist/


Not only is "protection" a myth, some studies have found having a very slight harmful effect having a good hitter behind you. In an effort to keep the batter off base while Mr. Big stands in the on-deck circle, the pitcher may in fact try harder and use his best stuff to retire the guy so he's not on base when Big comes to the plate.

siberian khatru 07-08-2013 01:50 PM

Louis Coleman up, Will Smith down.

Gio back in lineup at 2B.

Escobar back batting second.


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