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Chiefspants 02-02-2025 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948257)
The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.

Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.
I’ll give some the benefit of the doubt that they’re upset that they were only 3:33 and a gamewinning drive away from a win in spite of everything that could have gone wrong in the game.

That was a hard part for us to swallow against the Pats. Sutton’s run D couldn’t get off the field, Berry was constantly beaten by Gronk, our front 4 couldn’t get pressure on Tom, and the Pats had the ball for 43 ****ing minutes of that game. All of that should have equaled an ass-kicking loss. Yet, Tom gifted us two uncharacteristic INT’s, and gave us the win with a third.

Yet, when the win was there, our execution failed us. Luckily that failure was so spectacular Andy was forced to make a hard choice and fire Sutton and start the Spags era. I’m skeptical Buffalo will be willing to make a similar hard choice here (after all, why do that when you can cry “but the refs!!!”)

pugsnotdrugs19 02-02-2025 02:49 PM
Well, McDermott is now suggesting he could follow an Andy Reid career path — he mentioned in his presser this week that he used to work for a guy who went through similar long term struggles getting over that hump, and now look at all his success, he said.

Where I would argue that’s a little shortsighted is Andy never had any QB close to Josh Allen until Mahomes.

DRM08 02-02-2025 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948452)
Well, McDermott is now suggesting he could follow an Andy Reid career path — he mentioned in his presser this week that he used to work for a guy who went through similar long term struggles getting over that hump, and now look at all his success, he said.

Where I would argue that’s a little shortsighted is Andy never had any QB close to Josh Allen until Mahomes.
Donovan McNabb was pretty good, but definitely not the same level of Josh Allen. And obviously nowhere close to Mahomes.

Andy had some absolutely elite defenses in Philly backing McNabb and they could not get over the top. Came up 3 points short against Belichick & Brady in one Super Bowl, while choking in earlier rounds of the Playoffs in other seasons.

htismaqe 02-02-2025 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948452)
Well, McDermott is now suggesting he could follow an Andy Reid career path — he mentioned in his presser this week that he used to work for a guy who went through similar long term struggles getting over that hump, and now look at all his success, he said.

Where I would argue that’s a little shortsighted is Andy never had any QB close to Josh Allen until Mahomes.
To do replicate what Andy did, he's going to have to 1) find offensive guys in the vein. Joe Brady is good but he's obviously not good enough. 2) he's going to have to actually produce a top defense since, you know, he's a defensive guy.

McDemott will never replicate Andy's path because he's Sean McDermott.

duncan_idaho 02-02-2025 03:52 PM
I think the biggest fear I have if I’m a Bills fan is how long Allen’s body can stand up to the type of workload they’re throwing at him in the run game.

Their offense doesn’t work without him carrying the ball a bunch.

If they don’t win one in the next 3-4 seasons I think you have to wonder if he ever breaks through.

New World Order 02-02-2025 04:01 PM
It’s kind of crazy to think about but all of the elite qbs (Lamar, Burrow, Allen) are around 30.

Lamar won’t have the shelf-life of the others.

He better get to work

kgrund 02-02-2025 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17948535)
I think the biggest fear I have if I’m a Bills fan is how long Allen’s body can stand up to the type of workload they’re throwing at him in the run game.

Their offense doesn’t work without him carrying the ball a bunch.

If they don’t win one in the next 3-4 seasons I think you have to wonder if he ever breaks through.
It does not help he literally invites and initiates contact all the time.

Rausch 02-02-2025 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17948546)
It’s kind of crazy to think about but all of the elite qbs (Lamar, Burrow, Allen) are around 30.

Lamar won’t have the shelf-life of the others.

He better get to work
The way Allen runs like a fullback he likely won't either. Now, perhaps Josh transitions to more of a pocket QB as his legs quit on him. Possible.

Lamar will just go the way of Cam Newton. Only he won't dress like my grandmother...

Coochie liquor 02-02-2025 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17948558)
The way Allen runs like a fullback he likely won't either. Now, perhaps Josh transitions to more of a pocket QB as his legs quit on him. Possible.

Lamar will just go the way of Cam Newton. Only he won't dress like my grandmother...
Mahomes (and Stafford) have kept all those “elite” quarterbacks ringless. I don’t think McDerpit will ever win a ring with Allen. They’re gonna eventually do like we had to do with Marty and move on to a fresher approach.

There’s a reason no coach/qb combo has ever won a championship if they didn’t do it in the first 5 years. And all those guys are at around 5 years with the same HCs. Veach pulls another 2022 draft and it might be Murder She Wrote continuing for a long time (as long as Andy and Spags stay together)

MahomesMagic 02-02-2025 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17948280)
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.

Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.

It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.

Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.

Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :shrug:


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Tom Brady has really screwed with people's perception of age of QB.


The reality is most QB's don't win SB's after age 31.

Rainbarrel 02-02-2025 05:02 PM
Allen is going to want warm weather or a dome. In a couple years after breaking both hands this season

Rausch 02-02-2025 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17948605)
And all those guys are at around 5 years with the same HCs. Veach pulls another 2022 draft and it might be Murder She Wrote continuing for a long time (as long as Andy and Spags stay together)
I think Spags leaves after the 4th straight SB (if he doesn't end up in Nawlins this off season.)

Rausch 02-02-2025 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17948652)
Allen is going to want warm weather or a dome. In a couple years after breaking both hands this season
I fully expect Burro to force a trade to an NFC team in a few years. It's clear he wants to win and Cinci doesn't.

Snerd 02-02-2025 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 17948377)
Dang, I forgot Plunkett won twice.
Me too. I also forgot that the Pats won three in four seasons (2002, 2004, 2005). I remembered Dallas doing it but not NE.

tredadda 02-02-2025 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17948478)
To do replicate what Andy did, he's going to have to 1) find offensive guys in the vein. Joe Brady is good but he's obviously not good enough. 2) he's going to have to actually produce a top defense since, you know, he's a defensive guy.

McDemott will never replicate Andy's path because he's Sean McDermott.
Exactly. Andy is in the legendary HC category. Look at all the HCs in history (at least since just before the AFL came into existence). One theme emerges (outside of Gibbs), and that is they won championships with elite QBs.

McDermott has one and still can’t get to the SB and only has two AFCCG appearances during this Allen era in Buffalo.

He’s not Andy, nor will he ever be mentioned in the same breath as Andy outside of always losing to him when it matters and once being an assistant under him.


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