They got it right on the other player futures.

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I don’t really care to watch the 49ers games against most of the shit teams they played on an easy schedule like the Bengals, Redskins or Panthers bc they don’t relate to our team.

I do find it interesting that the Cardinals with a rookie QB/HC put up 25 and 26 on that defense. I also find it interesting that the only good offensive HC’s they played were McVay and Payton and those two teams took far less talented QB’s and did literally whatever they wanted to the 49ers defense.

49ers fans should also watch the game we had last year. The personnel doesn’t even matter. The point is that Andy completely owned Saleh with scheme. He put a clinic on that game.

I don’t think I’ve seen a DC get as outclassed and overmatched by play design during the Andy Reid era than the asswhooping he put on Saleh.

What's your number?

For the last few years, really since Smith's last season, I entered games by saying "if the Chiefs score X, they'll win..."

Now last season's god-awful defense ruined that kind of approach but I'd say it's a fair way to look at things again.

So what's your number? I think the 9ers O is just varied enough that they'll probably get a long TD in there, 3 sustained drives and make another drive off a STs error or turnover. So figure 5 scoring drives yielding 4 TDs and a FG.

So as I enter the game, I'm sitting here thinking "alright Pat - your job is to get us 34. Get there and we win it..."

What's your number?

And to the 49ers credit, Rat Jr will absolutely get his on Spags. That’s inevitable. Rat Jr is the 2nd best offensive play designer in the league.

But he’s got a QB that has to be in the system. The absolute worst thing that could happen to the 49ers is their running game being taken away due to either A. The Chiefs limiting it or B. The Chiefs getting a lead.

If the Chiefs get a double-digit lead and force the 49ers to pass, this game will get ugly for the 49ers. The pressure to score TD’s every drive will be incredibly difficult.

I think that's because if the Chiefs win it is just SO likely that Mahomes will have balled out and will get MVP. 9ers win and it's up for grabs. I'm surprised Mathieu is that low.

28. That's my number. I don't see the 9ers being able to score 27.

You can't seriously believe that statement...nah, adding four pro bowl caliber players to a defense wont make a difference. Got it.

Maybe, but JG faced that same pressure in the Saints game. He rose to the occasion.

Who gets intimidated first.
 

Was listening to Lorenzo Neal this week on local radio. He said both offenses should and likely will come out targeting the other team's best pass rusher. He said to expect KC to have a few crack back blocks early on Ford, and for the 49ers to crack back on Clark. He said it was a common tactic (often his assignment at FB) to get the player concerned and thinking about something other than getting to the QB. Will be interesting to see if either or both teams employ that tactic.

I’d agree with your number of 34. We put up 34 and I think we win. It would take a monumental collapse by this defense and our STs to put up 34 and lose.

Yeah against a defense that allowed Cousins to throw the ball over them. We’re not the same defense.

It doesn’t matter if the same player is told to rush up field.

Andy and Shannahan are going to kill the DE’s and LB’s in this game. Those guys for both teams are going to be so confused by elite play designs and pre-snap eye candy.

Jet sweep, fake jet sweep, RPO, option, fake RPO pitch, delayed draw, delayed pitch, wildcat, bootleg, etc.

There’s going to be so much going on that the DE’s for both teams will have no idea where the hell the ball is or where it’s going. It will be even worse if/when both teams go hurry up in a 2 minute offense.

We saw McVay do this all day to you and your defense could not stop it. Andy did it too.

It’s going to happen

If KC is trying to do that, I’d expect Bosa to be the guy KC targets, since he’s actually on the field every down and is the better player.

I can’t imagine the KC coaching staff fearing Ford any more than we do. They saw him get stonewalled by the Patriots pretty average tackles in the AFC title game, too, and the Patriots really weren’t sending extra help to do it (I mean, unless you count leaving Hogan and Edelman responsible for blocking him in stretch and outside run plays as sending an extra man at him).

38

clearly you're not, but it's still hard to really judge the KC defense for how good it really is. You played some really bad teams down the stretch (outside of the Patriots), which helped your stats across the board. KC's defense wasn't looking that statistically good as of week 10, whereas the 49ers played some very good teams down the stretch that brought their defensive stats down to earth. Still, the 49ers in the playoffs have been pretty stifling. KC's has done what they needed to do, but have not looked dominant in certain quarters.

SF uses Ford different than you guys did. Ford may only play 25-30 downs, so he'll be fresher and more impactful on the downs he plays. Bosa is the better player, but the 49ers stats show that the pass rush is its most effective when Ford is in the game. They are more pedestrian when Ford is not playing.

BTW, thank you for the good posts. You seem knowledgeable. I've enjoyed the discourse.

It doesn’t come down to just who you play. It was a completely new defensive scheme with a new defensive coordinator and mostly new players. That shit takes time to gel. Players and coaches will tell you that exact same thing. The Titans loss was the game that flipped the switch with this defense. Pennel and Suggs were added and the defense started playing differently. Plus Clark wasn’t anywhere close to 100% in the beginning of the season and we had a rookie FS learning as he was playing.

Are we the 85 Bears? No but this defense is good enough to get some stops and give the ball back to the offense. That’s all it takes to win games.

I think people are overestimating the 49ers in some respects. Sure they are in the SB and they were the #1 seed in the NFC. But if you look at all of their games, they won many in the last seconds. If you were to split those wins in half they might not even make the playoffs much less be the #1 seed. They were literally inches from losing the second Seattle game and dropping from the #1 seed to the #5. They were not this juggernaut that obliterated everyone they played this year. I think the fact they are a mismatch for GB as well as the Packers own mistakes in the NFCCG makes the Niners look better than they are.

Barring the Chiefs playing like crud they should beat SF as they are the better team.

The only times they haven't looked dominant is typically the first quarter. But that's not surprising. Scripted plays, and usually after the first or second series we make adjustments that negate any momentum the offense had.

Didn’t they say the same thing about McVay last year?

You make a good case. Why in your opinion did the Texans have early success against them?

Your DE’s won’t matter on these plays 49er fan..no DE on earth is fast enough to stop this. QB either got rid of the ball quickly or only had it in his hands for barely over 2 seconds.

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Even if you do get pressure on Pat, he can still beat you

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1. A blown coverage
2. Blocked Punt for a TD
3. Muffed Punt which gave them the ball on the KC 6.

Right there is 21 of the 31 they scored. The last TD came when the Chiefs held a commanding lead and softened up on defense.

First touchdown was a good call. Bill called a WR bubble screen earlier in the drive and the Chiefs got aggressive in the second one. Wide open TD pass.

Second TD wasn’t on the defense. Blocked punt for a TD.

Third TD started on the 5 yard line. Hard for the defense to stop that.

The FG was the defense finally holding that offense to 3. After those drives the defense clamped down and the Texans only had one TD in garbage time.

A lot of people miss the point you're making. 49er fans want to point to the fact that they were basically 7 points from a perfect season (late game score by ATL aside). But as you note, they almost lost a lot of games too. My sense is that Kyle S is still up in his head about that SB loss. When they get the lead now, he tends to just run the ball, but when his offense gets one dimensional, other teams are able to stop the run and get back into contention. He abandons what got him there, which is or should be a concern for all 49er fans.

Grade A fap material.

I think the Texans game is what flipped the switch, combined with the defense losing its safety net for a few weeks when Mahomes went down.

They knew they HAD to step it up. The Texans game brought into sharp focus HOW they had to do it (by trusting their teammates and playing the scheme). Then with the Packers and Vikings games they proved they could.

The Titans game was a weird one-off in the middle, IMO. Things had already changed substantially by then.

If you are talking about the playoff game against the Texans, we had 1 play that was a missed assignment, the other was a blocked punt, Hill muffed a punt for the last one. All that was the first quarter. Blown assignments happen no matter how good your team is. The blocked punt and muffed punt aren't as common.

It's a hell of a hole to climb out of.

Didn’t the field goal for the Texans come off of a terrible punt too? I think the Texans were pretty much already in field goal rang.

Those are some quick strike TDs! I have some hope that the 49er LBs, who are very fast, will be able to cover backs and string out the jet sweeps better than the defenses showed on those clips. Within about 3 seconds of a snap, the 49ers defensive secondary is pretty solid.

It's the plays against the Colts defense, and what he did vs. the 49ers in that last clip that are the most worrisome. How do you defend that?

Some 9er fans are saying "Andy showed his hand" in the playoffs. That's not entirely false.

They're also saying that we'll struggle to slow down their ends because we lack an effective running game and the screen game has been largely absent. There's an element of truth to that as well.

But now combine 'em. Yes, Andy showed his hand a bit, but what he showed is that the jet sweep action is still there and it's still dangerous as hell. You want to send those ends blasting upfield at the QB? Okay, you do you - but as you noted, no DE is fast enough to just change directions and contain Hill/Hardman (or even Watkins). When Andy 'showed his hand' on those jet sweep actions, he also gave opposing defenses something they have to think about.

Those ends know, or at least SHOULD know, that they will blast upfield at their own peril anytime one of our track stars comes across the middle at the snap. They know if they don't honor that jet sweep action, a guy like Hill or Hardman is going to have a free 8+ yards and is going to be one missed tackle away from 40+.

Sometimes showing your hand is a good thing; it gives the opponent something more to chew on and one more consideration that Reid can take advantage of in his play design.

Game log says Colquitt kicked it to their 38 yard line and was ran back for 11 yards to their 49. So, yeah.

49ers dominated both of their playoff games and they are ranked high in the season stats for both defense and offense. They're a damn good team and it's gonna be a real challenge for the Chiefs. I just hope KC does not make some of the stupid mistakes we have seen throughout this season. 49ers are good enough that you do not want to help them with fumbles, allowing blocked punts, etc.

Just accept this fact now - there WILL be a terrible punt in this game. Colquitt's leg looks almost completely dead. He can't mis-hit a ball and get a 40 yard knuckler anymore. When he mis-fires, it's a 25 yard quacker that will flip the field.

If you go into this game thinking "well X team needed a bad punt to score and that won't happen next Sunday..." I think you're whistling past the graveyard. Just assume that's gonna happen at least once next week because I see little cause to believe it won't. Colquitt's pretty much a liability at this stage of his career.

It was...my son from Texas was visiting that weekend to see the 49er game, and when they went down by 21, I told him to come down and watch, because either the game was going to be an epic blow out, or PM was going to engineer one of the great comebacks in NFL history. Turns out i was right, just got wrong who was going to blow out whom. That was fun.

As impressive as the offense was in turning that game around, your defense was just as impressive. That stretch from early in the 2nd quarter to the end of the third quarter felt like some of the Warrior games in their peak Championship years, where they would shut down the opposing team and just light up the score board. Pretty special performance.

Which is why we need to get him a ring and then get him off this team.

I really do feel for the DE’s and LB’s in this game. It will be very difficult to know where any play will go or who has the ball.

I think it would be ideal for Andy to come out in a 2 minute offense with lots of motions. Come out quickly into known plays and snap the ball quickly before the defense can adjust.

Also change the play and motion into the real play and then quickly snap the ball to change everything quickly before the defense can tell what it is or what the new responsibility is.

It will also tire them out quicker and give us all the power. If Bosa or Ford is taking a breather, run the hurry up to keep them off the field.

Oh I agree. I’m just saying the defense isn’t to blame for that. That’s a failure of ST, not the defense.

This has to be his last year. He’s been pretty bad. Hope he can ride into the sunset with a Super Bowl ring and we can forget about how his last season actually went.

We're about to see a master-class in 'window dressing' from two guys who have practically re-created it.

The scripted plays especially are gonna blow some minds, IMO.

Ultimately I feel bad for both defenses in this game. They are going to have to maintain a level of mental acuity that is going to really hamper the kind of aggression they're going to want to be playing with. I suspect they'll play this entire game feeling like one of those police dogs stuck in the back of the SUV when shit's going down. They'll see what's going on and be chomping at the bit to use all that training and ferocity they've been building for years.

But man, until a handler throws the door open, all that ferocity is going to do is get them in trouble.

If either of these teams is forced to become one-dimensional, you're gonna see the door fly open and hall hell break lose because these guys are going to see an opportunity to get out there and do what they were trained to do.

Shit'll get real in a hurry.

Colquitt is definitely a liability at this point. ST is one of my biggest concerns for this game because I just can't foresee SF having to go the length of the field very often.

Yeah - the issue isn't what he can do when everything goes right. He's no different than an aging slugger in that regard - when Albert Pujols puts one on the barrel, it still goes a long way.

The problem is that when things go wrong or even only kinda right, the result is just a fly ball to the warning track instead of a screamer into the gap. His mediocre is bad now. And his mediocre is a hell of a lot more common than it used to be.

When Colquitt has time/space and hits the ball true, he still hits it damn near as well as he used to. But his margin for error is just too small for a game that moves this fast. If you look at him as the punter version of Phillip Rivers, you're not far off. Both guys have seen their floors plummet while their instances at their ceilings have fallen off commensurately.

One of the 49er games that had me scratching my head was the Ravens' game. Usually, when you have a QB running the read option, you have your DE keep contain on the QB and let your LBs take the RB. Saleh had the 49ers' DE's crashing down on the RB, leaving Jackson free to run or pass. Seemed crazy, as he was the biggest threat in their offense. He went for at least a couple quarters without adjusting to it. Would love to hear his explanation.

If the 49ers only use Ford on obvious passing downs, like they have been, they’re going to have an awfully hard time pressuring Mahomes on 1st down. KC will throw the hell out of the ball on first down and use it to get ahead of the Chains.

If you don’t use Ford on early downs, it’s going to minimize his role a lot. If you do use him on early downs, KC will likely adjust by running right at him and also trying to take advantage of his aggressiveness through screens and reverses.

Of course they can beat the Chiefs if we don’t play our game. They did beat the 6 seed like they were supposed to, but if you look at the GB game they beat the Packers as much as the Packers beat themselves. I am not trying to discredit them, just stating that they are not the juggernaut they are being portrayed and they were a few close calls from not even making the playoffs. Close calls that at some point in time will work against them.

The Chargers come to mind when thinking about that. They went 12-4 last year winning a lot of close games. It didn’t happen this year and their record reflected it. That could happen in this game as well for SF.

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Hrmm...durrrrr....hurrrr


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I really don't know but it may have had something to do with a blocked punt for a TD, a broken play for a long bomb TD and a muffed punt that put the texans in scoring range immediately.


did you even watch the game? Its not their scheme was exposed or their whole defense collapsed. It was literally just a string of flukey plays and a couple of drops on offense.....and two of the 3 crazy plays were special teams...

This has been explained to these bundle of stickss several times yet here we are again.

its almost as if they don;t undertsand football at all and have never watched any chiefs games


oh wait some of them admitted to not watching any

Sorry, yes some big errors by ST. I did watch a lot of that game but i forgot how good the Texans field position was after the muffed punt.

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Yes but here’s the thing. We pass the ball 90% of the time. We only ran 30 running plays in 2 playoff games and some of that was to bleed clock at the end being up multiple scores.

I would treat every single play as a pass play

Wait...I'll give you a KC Fan response: Alexcuses!!! LOL

Yeah, I'm not sure how they will use Ford in this game. Just know how they have used him during the season. That clip of Ford defending the run while he was on KC is just hilarious. Looked like a pop warner player whose parents were forcing him to play football.

You injure him. That's what the Colts did after he pulled that play on them.

Dee Ford is a pussy and a reerun. The only thing he ever did for the Chiefs was give us a second round pick.

OL is the key to this game. Need these guys to play good games

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Number of 55 sack teams that went into a SB against Mahomes? 0

Definitely not a fan of this stat. Yeesh.

*Healthy* Mahomes. Makes a huge difference compared to the gimpy one that couldn't move earlier in the season.

There’s funky stats like that which go for both teams. Some are gonna hold up, some will be debunked. Is what it is.

No shit.

There's some signal to noise in there, but 3 of those games involved a clearly inferior QB coming out on top.

It's a bit of an arbitrary endpoint so I'll take some comfort in that, but it's still a nasty little bugger, isn't it?

Post some in our favor so I can be happy again!

2015 - Played Cam Newton.
2011 - Played Tom Brady
2010 - Played Big Ben
2008 - Played Kurt Warner
2007 - Played Tom Brady
2005 - Played Matt Hasselbeck

Cam Newton played like a pussy in that game....not even going after his own fumble.
Brady and Warner are statues.
Big Ben holds onto the ball forever.
Matt Hasselbeck is Matt Hasselbeck.

damnit...tried to post Happy Gilmore Happy Place....couldn't figure it out.

Palmer actually ****ed that up. SF does not have more than 55. They have exactly 55. 48 regular season and 7 postseason. So no this doesn’t apply.

Chiefs have 53 btw which makes this even more reeruned

2015 Broncos - played against an inaccurate QB who can't read a defense
2011 Giants - played against a statue QB (Brady)
2010 Packers - played against a fairly mobile HOF QB in Big Ben (though not as good as Mahomes), but the Packers also had PRIME Rodgers on their side.
2008 Steelers - played against a statue QB (Warner).
2007 Giants - played against a statue QB (Brady).
2005 Steelers - played against a statue QB (Hasselbeck).

Is this counting the post season for both? Because the Chiefs only had like 45 in the regular season.

So only 7/15 I like our chances.

Has to be bc SF only had 48 in the regular season

Then this stat is really stupid.

Chiefs had 52 in the regular season last year. What did that get us? We couldn’t even beat 41 year old Brady with that pass rush.

OL is going to ball out. I'm sure they are tired of hearing about the Niners pass rush.

Couldn't even touch him. That OL was incredible.

Reid bye week for one example

I saw another yesterday and can’t remember what the hell it was

I used to be a James Palmer fan but he’s clearly one of those types who just craves the attention. I think it was kinda Busch league how he released those Frank Clark quotes about Derrick Henry just a day or two before the game trying to pour gasoline on a fire or something. And then when other people mentioned the quote, he got mad if he didn’t get credit for it.

That stat is useless though as far as I’m concerned. It’d be different if KC wasn’t right there with SF when it comes to sacks.

I saw a stat that our offensive line gave Mahomes, on average, like 3 seconds per drop back. Mahomes has the ball out of his hand in 2.8 at the longest.

I’ll have to go back and find it.

Undefeated all time with gold end zones. Undefeated this year when Fisher plays

Which is hilarious when you consider the fact that some of these 49ers fans are crying disrespect when they won’t even acknowledge that our pass rush is right behind theirs.

We didn’t play anyone though. :rolleyes:

With the Reid bye week stat, has anyone looked at the QB he had and the QB he faced during the losses off a bye?

We have a significant advantage at QB. I’m curious if he’s ever lost to a lesser QB off a bye.

Alex Smith wore out his damn leg