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staylor26 01-25-2020 04:47 PM
The 49ers passing D isn’t even that good.

It’s their pass rush.

People are really underestimating the mismatch there.

staylor26 01-25-2020 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751451)
I’ve seen opinions of “I just hope it’s a good game” out there. **** that. I want the Chiefs to blow out the 49ers. I want to hear the talking heads out there talk about how their team was no match for ours.
Yup, I want to put the entire ****ing league on notice.

Win a ****ing SB in a blowout then draft Swift or Dobbins in the 1st. Watch the rest of the league shit their ****ing pants.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-25-2020 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14751391)
I worry about the trenches. The 49ers have a significant advantage along both the offensive and defensive lines. Our offense should be able to hold it's own but our defense is going to have a long day.
I don’t see this at all...

DRM08 01-25-2020 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751451)
I’ve seen opinions of “I just hope it’s a good game” out there. **** that. I want the Chiefs to blow out the 49ers. I want to hear the talking heads out there talk about how their team was no match for ours.
Blowout in favor of KC would be nice. Lower stress coming down the stretch of the game. But I think this is gonna be a tough battle. Hopefully the KC guys can pull off the W.

staylor26 01-25-2020 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14751467)
I don’t see this at all...
It’s JakeF...

eDave 01-25-2020 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14750580)
I think it alternates year to year with the AFC/NFC team.
Should be Pro Bowl winner.

Sofa King 01-25-2020 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751451)
I’ve seen opinions of “I just hope it’s a good game” out there. **** that. I want the Chiefs to blow out the 49ers. I want to hear the talking heads out there talk about how their team was no match for ours.
This x100

A8bil 01-25-2020 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14751460)
The 49ers passing D isn’t even that good.

It’s their pass rush.

People are really underestimating the mismatch there.
You are right, but a great pass rush can hide many sins.

Ponder this. The 49ers were only at full strength on their defensive line in 13 games. They averaged just over 4 sacks per game in those contests. When you consider the number of pass attempts they faced, the 49ers were logging a sack once every 7.5 pass attempts. By comparison, the league leading Steelers logged one sack every 9.5 pass attempts. KC logged a sack only once every 13 pass attempts and KC is a very good defense.

The 49ers line is not at the level of the 84 Bears (1 every 6.1 PA), but they are getting to the QB at an extremely high level. -- KC will be facing a healthy 49ers line.

DRM08 01-25-2020 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14751504)
You are right, but a great pass rush can hide many sins.

Ponder this. The 49ers were only at full strength on their defensive line in 13 games. They averaged just over 4 sacks per game in those contests. When you consider the number of pass attempts they faced, the 49ers were logging a sack once every 7.5 pass attempts. By comparison, the league leading Steelers logged one sack every 9.5 pass attempts. KC logged a sack only once every 13 pass attempts and KC is a very good defense.

The 49ers line is not at the level of the 84 Bears (1 every 6.1 PA), but they are getting to the QB at an extremely high level. -- KC will be facing a healthy 49ers line.
Which games? And what do the numbers look like when you focus only on the mobile QB's against a healthy Niner DL? What do the numbers look like when you focus only on statue QB's against the healthy Niner DL?

FringeNC 01-25-2020 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14751325)
The Chiefs are 5-0 against top 10 pass defenses they have faced this season (and 7-0 if you include Denver, which finished 11th in pass defense).
On the flip side, we've struggled against the same defense against the Chargers. Both sides can make pretty good arguments. Here's my take: when our offense has a since of urgency, and goes fast-paced, and goes into full-on pass mode, I don't care what D we're playing against, that D is going to get torched. In a weird way, SF is in trouble if they get a lead.

A8bil 01-25-2020 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14751518)
Which games? And what do the numbers look like when you focus only on the mobile QB's against a healthy Niner DL? What do the numbers look like when you focus only on statue QB's against the healthy Niner DL?
As noted, i took all games where the 49ers had all of their starting d-line. Week 1-11 and the 2 playoff games. That includes 2 games against Murray and 1 game against Wilson. With those players, the sacks were one every 7.6 pass attempts (3/24; 5/34; 4/33). People have a mistaken sense that mobile QBs have not been sacked by the 49ers. That's not true. They have been sacked, however, they have also proven the ability to prolong plays and that's when the secondary has been most vulnerable. Bosa, Buckner and Armstead are quick, but they're not fast. I think PM's ability to prolong plays is th 49ers greatest concern (which is pretty much every team's concerns who face KC!).

94605Niner 01-25-2020 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14750657)
If Spags can slow down those great Patriots offenses, including one of the 3 best scoring offenses in NFL history, he can slow down the plug-&-play zone blocking, Jimmy G led 49ers.

Here is a little stat compilation that speaks to the explosiveness of each offense:

7 players in the NFL had at least 4 touchdowns of over 40 yards this season. 2 of those 7 play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Mecole Hardman tied AJ Brown to lead the league with 5, and Hill tied the other 4 players with 4.

Kansas City had 4 players with at least 2 touchdowns 40 yards or longer: Hardman 5, Hill 4, Watkins 2, Damien Williams 2.

San Francisco had 1 player with at least 2 touchdowns 40 yards or longer: Mostert 2.

Kansas City had a total of 16 touchdowns that were 40 yards or longer, 14 offensive & 2 defensive . San Francisco had 8, with 1 of those being defensive.



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Kyle Shanny is 5-1 against Spags defenses

DRM08 01-25-2020 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14751537)
As noted, i took all games where the 49ers had all of their starting d-line. Week 1-11 and the 2 playoff games. That includes 2 games against Murray and 1 game against Wilson. With those players, the sacks were one every 7.6 pass attempts (3/24; 5/34; 4/33). People have a mistaken sense that mobile QBs have not been sacked by the 49ers. That's not true. They have been sacked, however, they have also proven the ability to prolong plays and that's when the secondary has been most vulnerable. Bosa, Buckner and Armstead are quick, but they're not fast. I think PM's ability to prolong plays is th 49ers greatest concern (which is pretty much every team's concerns who face KC!).
Both sides will win their share of plays. Y'all have a great pass rush and they'll have success getting to him occasionally, but I think he will occasionally pull some magical stuff as well.

Personally I think Mahomes might have even better "Spidey sense" than the likes of Wilson. Russ got completely blindsided by the Packers on a corner blitz. Watching that, I couldn't help but feel like Mahomes would have done a better job than him on that one. I swear this kid has eyes in the back of his head.

The Franchise 01-25-2020 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14751537)
As noted, i took all games where the 49ers had all of their starting d-line. Week 1-11 and the 2 playoff games. That includes 2 games against Murray and 1 game against Wilson. With those players, the sacks were one every 7.6 pass attempts (3/24; 5/34; 4/33). People have a mistaken sense that mobile QBs have not been sacked by the 49ers. That's not true. They have been sacked, however, they have also proven the ability to prolong plays and that's when the secondary has been most vulnerable. Bosa, Buckner and Armstead are quick, but they're not fast. I think PM's ability to prolong plays is th 49ers greatest concern (which is pretty much every team's concerns who face KC!).
The Seahawks and Cards have garbage offensive lines.

staylor26 01-25-2020 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 94605Niner (Post 14751551)
Kyle Shanny is 5-1 against Spags defenses
I’d be willing to bet almost all of those wins are again his shit defenses with no talent on bad teams.

staylor26 01-25-2020 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751579)
The Seahawks and Cards have garbage offensive lines.
Tell me about it. The Chiefs have the better QB, OL, and weapons. The fact that the Seahawks and the Cardinals put up 20+ in all 4 games is not a good sign, and to try and use those games as examples of how the 49ers can stop Mahomes and this offense is reeruned.

Basileus777 01-25-2020 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751305)
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What are these people even talking about? They played the Patriots who had the best pass defense in the league. And that backend with Belichick coaching it is way better built to stop Mahomes than SF.
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RunKC 01-25-2020 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14751460)
The 49ers passing D isn’t even that good.

It’s their pass rush.

People are really underestimating the mismatch there.
Mahomes is going to torch their poor corners outside of Sherman. Those guys are not good enough to hang with Tyreek and Mecole.

Let Sherman have Sammy while we destroy their other corners

Why Not? 01-25-2020 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14751597)
Mahomes is going to torch their poor corners outside of Sherman. Those guys are not good enough to hang with Tyreek and Mecole.

Let Sherman have Sammy while we destroy their other corners
Dude if Sherman covers Tyreek it will be an absolute bloodbath. Sherman makes his hay these days on his knowledge of routes and anticipation. Tyreek would leave him so far behind on a go route, it wouldn’t be funny.

staylor26 01-25-2020 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 14751600)
Dude if Sherman covers Tyreek it will be an absolute bloodbath. Sherman makes his hay these days on his knowledge of routes and anticipation. Tyreek would leave him so far behind on a go route, it wouldn’t be funny.
Yea I don’t think we should necessarily be avoiding Sherman though we should still take advantage of the mismatches elsewhere.

ThaVirus 01-25-2020 07:00 PM
I like the thought of attacking Sherman when he's on an island or on off-script plays when Mahomes is out of the pocket, but Patrick has to be smart about going to his side.

A8bil 01-25-2020 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14751582)
Tell me about it. The Chiefs have the better QB, OL, and weapons. The fact that the Seahawks and the Cardinals put up 20+ in all 4 games is not a good sign, and to try and use those games as examples of how the 49ers can stop Mahomes and this offense is reeruned.
Let me see...i answered a simple question about how the 49ers D-Line did against mobile QBs, and posted the stats. Now, am I "reeruned" for simply answering a question, or are you "reeruned" for claiming I was making an argument about how th 49ers can stop Mahomes? Seems like you have deep reading comprehension problems. Have you graduated HS yet?

staylor26 01-25-2020 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 14751621)
I like the thought of attacking Sherman when he's on an island or on off-script plays when Mahomes is out of the pocket, but Patrick has to be smart about going to his side.
I’d like to start off the game lining up Robinson/Hardman on Sherman’s side so we can take advantage of the mismatches early and the offense can get in rhythm. After that you can start making Sherman run with Tyreek a little, but yea you don’t want to make mental errors when throwing his way.

The Franchise 01-25-2020 07:10 PM
I have a feeling that the 49ers are going to be playing a lot two deep so that they take away the deep shots. They’re going to make our offense move the ball down the field play by play and hope for a turnover, a penalty or a sack.

DRM08 01-25-2020 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751635)
I have a feeling that the 49ers are going to be playing a lot two deep so that they take away the deep shots. They’re going to make our offense move the ball down the field play by play and hope for a turnover, a penalty or a sack.
Yep, their DC confirmed this in his press conference earlier this week. He said their #1 priority is to take away the most explosive plays.

A8bil 01-25-2020 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 14751589)
What are these people even talking about? They played the Patriots who had the best pass defense in the league. And that backend with Belichick coaching it is way better built to stop Mahomes than SF.
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Yeah, the Pats defense is great. I only posted stats showing the 49ers defensive line, when healthy, gets to the QB at a pace that happens maybe once a decade. Sacks are just one stat...as I have acknowledged, 49ers have shown they are vulnerable to fast scrambling QBs who can prolong plays. The 49ers secondary is very good when the QB is pressured to get rid of the ball quickly. When the play drags out, they lose coverage.

wachashi 01-25-2020 07:18 PM
Sherman is slow. He's a system CB.

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pugsnotdrugs19 01-25-2020 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751635)
I have a feeling that the 49ers are going to be playing a lot two deep so that they take away the deep shots. They’re going to make our offense move the ball down the field play by play and hope for a turnover, a penalty or a sack.
It’d be a real knuckleball, these Seattle style schemes don’t ever veer too far off of the beaten cover 3 path...

I think the reason it works pretty well is cause they do it so much that they have to be good at it.

NFL offenses have kinda caught on to how to attack it now though, so if you don’t great players, it doesn’t really work.

Megatron96 01-25-2020 08:20 PM
Containing Mahomes with just four DL is a huge ask, IMO. I don't think they can do it for 4 quarters. I don't think they can do it for a whole series.

They're going to have to have a LB or a S spy Pat. It's just about the only way.

That leaves just 6 DBs in coverage. They have to high bracket Hill and double Kelce. They just ran out of guys to cover. So they're going to have to mix things up somehow, but every time they rush just four with no spy, Pat is going to carve them up.

They only question is can our defense generate enough stops to get a win? I think they can. Just a couple key stops in the second half will be enough.

New World Order 01-25-2020 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751635)
I have a feeling that the 49ers are going to be playing a lot two deep so that they take away the deep shots. They’re going to make our offense move the ball down the field play by play and hope for a turnover, a penalty or a sack.
That's what they did last year and we screened em to death.

Andy is going to pwnd Saleh, no matter what scheme he comes up with.

rabblerouser 01-25-2020 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14751638)
Yep, their DC confirmed this in his press conference earlier this week. He said their #1 priority is to take away the most explosive plays.
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DRM08 01-25-2020 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14751687)
Containing Mahomes with just four DL is a huge ask, IMO. I don't think they can do it for 4 quarters. I don't think they can do it for a whole series.
I agree on 4 quarters. Some Niner folks have said their guys tend to start tiring out in the 2nd half of games. Shanahan will want to use the run game in the 1st half to keep his defense more rested for the 2nd half. Hopefully the KC defense can get some stops in the first half. 2nd half could turn into a fireworks show for both offenses.

Chieftain 01-25-2020 09:29 PM
A buddy of mine compared this Chiefs team to the Chicago Bulls of the 1990s and to make his argument he raised two simple points:

Coach
Phil Jackson (Triangle offense) / Andy Reid (College style hybrid offense)

Best player
Michael Jordan (GOAT) / Patrick Mahomes (GOAT)

It didn't matter who the Bulls played. They had MJ and he was the difference maker in every single one of their championship runs.
Of course the NFL is more complex as the teams have a larger pool of players and of course you factor in injuries and salary cap down the road. But to his point, Mahomes has carried this Chiefs team in the same manner Jordan carried those great Bulls teams.

smithandrew051 01-25-2020 09:55 PM
Here’s how I see the game going:

If the Chiefs win:
-Game will be close at half. Chiefs pull away in the third. Chiefs have a few scares in the 4th, but maintain the lead to win.

If the 49ers win:
-49ers come out hot and build an early lead (multiple score lead at half. Chiefs start to come back in the third, but make untimely mistakes along the way. Finally, the Chiefs get it together in the 4th but lose by 1 possession.

I could see the Chiefs winning in a blowout if they come crisp (finally). I don’t see anyone blowing out a Reid-Mahomes Chiefs team any time soon.

DRM08 01-25-2020 09:56 PM
So Troy Aikman will either get to gloat about his comment earlier in the season or he'll have to eat a nice piece of crow.

St. Patty's Fire 01-25-2020 10:02 PM
Watched the highlights from the Falcons/9ers game and the 9ers D got BODIED by Julio. He dominated that game.

If they can’t cover ONE guy, how are they gonna cover the Chiefs offense?

I think we’ll score at will in this game. 9ers D line will get pressure and maybe even some sacks but the offense will be working around that with ease by the 2nd quarter.

kcmaxwell 01-25-2020 10:32 PM
So does anyone have torrents of games this season?

Chieftain 01-25-2020 10:37 PM
I really see this game play out like last week's Titans game. Chiefs take over late in the second quarter. Niners panic and try to play catch by moving away from their run game. The Titans relied heavily in their run game and occasional play action schemes. Once we stopped their run, they panicked and made Tannehill (a better version of Jimmy G) beat us. It didn't work. Same thing will happen here. Niners will fall behind and will try to catch up by abandoning the run. We all know the ending of this.

Hern 01-25-2020 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14751763)
Watched the highlights from the Falcons/9ers game and the 9ers D got BODIED by Julio. He dominated that game.

If they can’t cover ONE guy, how are they gonna cover the Chiefs offense?

I think we’ll score at will in this game. 9ers D line will get pressure and maybe even some sacks but the offense will be working around that with ease by the 2nd quarter.

Julio is better than any WR on the Chiefs.

Hern 01-25-2020 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by e3263518 (Post 14751779)
I really see this game play out like last week's Titans game. Chiefs take over late in the second quarter. Niners panic and try to play catch by moving away from their run game. The Titans relied heavily in their run game and occasional play action schemes. Once we stopped their run, they panicked and made Tannehill (a better version of Jimmy G) beat us. It didn't work. Same thing will happen here. Niners will fall behind and will try to catch up by abandoning the run. We all know the ending of this.

Tannehill...a better version of Jimmy G...LMFAO!!!!! I’ve done heard it all.

DRM08 01-25-2020 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14751803)
Tannehill...a better version of Jimmy G...LMFAO!!!!! I’ve done heard it all.
I would take Jimmy over Tanny in general, but Tanny had a hell of a season. Led the league in passer rating, had a pretty crazy TD to INT ratio. Think it was like 8 to 1. EDIT: Looks like he wasn't 8 to 1 on TD to INT. Maybe that was the later part of the season for him. They showed a pretty impressive graphic during one of the games.

ARROW2 01-25-2020 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14751801)
Julio is better than any WR on the Chiefs.
Not according to Screamin A Smith. Those Chiefs "weapons"

Why Not? 01-25-2020 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14751801)
Julio is better than any WR on the Chiefs.
In a vacuum, sure, although I’d pick Tyreek if I need a go route. However, Ridley was out that game I believe and the Falcons literally had no other receivers doing anything. All they did was throw to the same guy over and over and over again and the Niners couldn’t stop it. The Chiefs WR group is diverse and deep. The Niners secondary won’t have any answers. You’d better hope Bosa and Co have the game of their collective lives.

Fat Elvis 01-25-2020 11:48 PM
Interesting stat projection (barring major injury): Jimmy Crapalolol is 28 years old and has just shy of 8K career passing yards. Assuming Patrick only averages the amount of yards thrown as he did during the 2019 season (injured and with missing games) until he is the same age as Crapalolol, he will have over 25K passing yards by the time he is 28.

Hern 01-26-2020 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 14751826)
Interesting stat projection (barring major injury): Jimmy Crapalolol is 28 years old and has just shy of 8K career passing yards. Assuming Patrick only averages the amount of yards thrown as he did during the 2019 season (injured and with missing games) until he is the same age as Crapalolol, he will have over 25K passing yards by the time he is 28.

Not sure what Jimmy’s age has to do with anything. This Jimmy’s first full season playing.

St. Patty's Fire 01-26-2020 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14751801)
Julio is better than any WR on the Chiefs.
Sure. The collective threat of the Chiefs offense is far greater than one Julio Jones.

rabblerouser 01-26-2020 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AssEaterChief (Post 14737912)
Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning X 2 and an old Peyton Manning with no arm who all won Super Bowls, say hi


Jimmy will be 22-5 as a starter after this game...

I think your narrative of Jimmy is a little off
Jimmy ain't got the Grapes to pull this one off.

Kill yourself.

rabblerouser 01-26-2020 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14751801)
Julio is better than any WR on the Chiefs.
Tyreek Hill is the best WR in the NFL.

Hern 01-26-2020 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14751863)
Tyreek Hill is the best WR in the NFL.

Ok Rabbs, I think it’s about time we cut you off. You’ve had enough for the night. I’ll get you an Uber.

rabblerouser 01-26-2020 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14751881)
Ok Rabbs, I think it’s about time we cut you off. You’ve had enough for the night. I’ll get you an Uber.
My dear Hern, I've not yet begun to defile myself...

John Dowd 01-26-2020 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14751460)
The 49ers passing D isn’t even that good.

It’s their pass rush.

People are really underestimating the mismatch there.
What? LMAO this doesn't even make sense haha. How is it not good if it's ranked #1? Chief fans for ignorant beyond belief
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14751518)
Which games? And what do the numbers look like when you focus only on the mobile QB's against a healthy Niner DL? What do the numbers look like when you focus only on statue QB's against the healthy Niner DL?
You can keep moving the goal post and denying the truth all you want, but next Sunday is gonna reveal the inconvenient truth for Chiefs fans as the 49ers hoist the Lombardi

staylor26 01-26-2020 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by John Dowd (Post 14751899)
What? LMAO this doesn't even make sense haha. How is it not good if it's ranked #1? Chief fans for ignorant beyond belief

You can keep moving the goal post and denying the truth all you want, but next Sunday is gonna reveal the inconvenient truth for Chiefs fans as the 49ers hoist the Lombardi
I’m clearly talking about your secondary you ****ing mouth breather.

Chris Meck 01-26-2020 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14751635)
I have a feeling that the 49ers are going to be playing a lot two deep so that they take away the deep shots. They’re going to make our offense move the ball down the field play by play and hope for a turnover, a penalty or a sack.
If they play a lot of two deep that will mean that Kelce's matched up on a LB. Either that or what are they going to do with Hardman?

I'll take that all day.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-26-2020 08:28 AM
The Chiefs have played about every defensive approach you can possibly see over the past 2 years and have had success against all. They figure it out as the game goes and then rip it apart.

But I for one do not see SF changing a whole lot because their scheme is built on what they do from C3 shells. ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’....

It’s not broke yet. But Mahomes hasn’t had his shot yet either..

Chris Meck 01-26-2020 08:31 AM
I agree, they're going to sit in zone all day, that's what they do.

seamonster 01-26-2020 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14751962)
If they play a lot of two deep that will mean that Kelce's matched up on a LB. Either that or what are they going to do with Hardman?

I'll take that all day.
If they can convert those into 20+ yardage chunk plays then that might be OK. If they have to dink and dunk all day long, with that D-line, then I can imagine Mahomes will start throwing pickles.

San Franciscos' run defense can be made to be mediocre, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid test the running game to open up the deep ball.

Kman34 01-26-2020 08:45 AM
Blah blah blah.. the Patriots defense was supposed to stop us and Patty had his way with them with a hurt hand.. if he was healthy he would have put a a 30 burger on them..

FringeNC 01-26-2020 08:48 AM
This game in a lot of ways is a rematch against the Titans, but the 49ers have a better defense. Offensively, the 49ers want to bleed the clock with time consuming drives just like the Titans. The 49ers offense is NOT better than the Titans -- on a yard per play basis, identical. That's not an insult -- Titans are way above league average in yards per play.

I think the 49ers will probably get their long drive or two, but how many? Really, we all know what the key to the game is -- negating the 49ers front four pressure on Mahomes. The 49ers secondary is not got good.

I hope Reid doesn't take the ball out of Mahomes' hand very much. I'd much rather pass virtually every down - even quick-hitting WR/TE screens as a run substitute -- than run the ball up the middle. I want the 49ers to have to stop Mahomes 3 times in a row to get us to punt.

DJay23 01-26-2020 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 14751980)
If they can convert those into 20+ yardage chunk plays then that might be OK. If they have to dink and dunk all day long, with that D-line, then I can imagine Mahomes will start throwing pickles.

San Franciscos' run defense can be made to be mediocre, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid test the running game to open up the deep ball.
Also, I was reading on Sharp Football, that San Fran is below league average defending against play action.

Chris Meck 01-26-2020 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 14751980)
If they can convert those into 20+ yardage chunk plays then that might be OK. If they have to dink and dunk all day long, with that D-line, then I can imagine Mahomes will start throwing pickles.

San Franciscos' run defense can be made to be mediocre, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid test the running game to open up the deep ball.
because Mahomes does that so often?

but he's going to start doing that now. Ok.

smithandrew051 01-26-2020 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14751985)
Blah blah blah.. the Patriots defense was supposed to stop us and Patty had his way with them with a hurt hand.. if he was healthy he would have put a a 30 burger on them..
Had Kelce just not been an idiot on that easy first down, the Chiefs would’ve blown the doors off the Pats. That fumble changed the game.

Pushead2 01-26-2020 09:12 AM
Andy knows the keepaway game goes two ways and showed it with the AFCCG.

If the Chiefs can sustain long drives, it keeps the ball out of their backs' hands.

It doesn't need to be the 20+ yard chunks all the time, but it needs to be enough to keep the chains moving and finish each time with 7pts.

Chris Meck 01-26-2020 09:12 AM
It's really quite simple.

If the Chiefs just execute well on offense, they'll score a ton of points. San Fran does not have the speed in their secondary to hang with Hill, Hardman, Watkins, Kelce, and Williams.

If the Chiefs defense plays with gap discipline, they will earn the right to rush the passer. If San Fran is forced to pass, then Frank Clark, Chris Jones, and Suggs will feast.

In order for San Fran to win, The Chiefs will need to beat themselves.

Sorry, that's just how I see it.

There's nothing new here that we haven't seen.

There's not a physicality that we haven't seen and beaten this season.

It just comes down to execution.

There is, however, no answer for our speed on offense.

Chris Meck 01-26-2020 09:15 AM
I should be clear, we can absolutely lose this game; if they come out with their heads up their asses like Houston, we could lose.

I don't think they will.

but it could happen.

duncan_idaho 01-26-2020 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 14751980)
If they can convert those into 20+ yardage chunk plays then that might be OK. If they have to dink and dunk all day long, with that D-line, then I can imagine Mahomes will start throwing pickles.

San Franciscos' run defense can be made to be mediocre, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid test the running game to open up the deep ball.

Mahomes will start throwing picks? Mahomes had a crazy low - one percent - INT rate this year despite facing defense after defense that came out planning to take away the deep shots.

The idea he won’t take what the D gives him is very out of date. He makes plays outside the pocket, but he’s also ruthlessly efficient inside the pocket and drastically improved in reading quickly and getting the ball out this year.

That’s what has taken him to the next level. He still can break things down and make things happen downfield, but he has advanced so much in reading pre-snap and being decisive.

Last year, he still had a tendency to get impatient/frustrated and force a play here and there when teams were taking away all of his shots. That tendency has been excised for the most part.

R Clark 01-26-2020 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14752022)
Mahomes will start throwing picks? Mahomes had a crazy low - one percent - INT rate this year despite facing defense after defense that came out planning to take away the deep shots.

The idea he won’t take what the D gives him is very out of date. He makes plays outside the pocket, but he’s also ruthlessly efficient inside the pocket and drastically improved in reading quickly and getting the ball out this year.

That’s what has taken him to the next level. He still can break things down and make things happen downfield, but he has advanced so much in reading pre-snap and being decisive.

Last year, he still had a tendency to get impatient/frustrated and force a play here and there when teams were taking away all of his shots. That tendency has been excised for the most part.
Yep I can’t recall what games ,but he had back to back games throwing for a couple hundred yards .taking what the defense was giving and not taking big shots down the field.

Deebo19 01-26-2020 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14752008)
It's really quite simple.

If the Chiefs just execute well on offense, they'll score a ton of points. San Fran does not have the speed in their secondary to hang with Hill, Hardman, Watkins, Kelce, and Williams.

If the Chiefs defense plays with gap discipline, they will earn the right to rush the passer. If San Fran is forced to pass, then Frank Clark, Chris Jones, and Suggs will feast.

In order for San Fran to win, The Chiefs will need to beat themselves.

Sorry, that's just how I see it.

There's nothing new here that we haven't seen.

There's not a physicality that we haven't seen and beaten this season.

It just comes down to execution.

There is, however, no answer for our speed on offense.
You act like you’re going to score 60 points. You’ll score in the 30’s. And you’re going to lose.

Which will this board save face because Mahomes will still move the ball and score.

You guys have no idea what’s coming on Sunday. You should really go watch some 49er games lol.

duncan_idaho 01-26-2020 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14752054)
You act like you’re going to score 60 points. You’ll score in the 30’s. And you’re going to lose.



Which will this board save face because Mahomes will still move the ball and score.



You guys have no idea what’s coming on Sunday. You should really go watch some 49er games lol.

Many people here have watched many 49ers games. Personally at 7 or 8, if you count re-watching games.

How many Chiefs games have you watched, start to finish, troll?

pugsnotdrugs19 01-26-2020 10:11 AM
I watched 4 of the last 5 SF games live. Lol. FOH.

Pablo 01-26-2020 10:14 AM
I watched Jeanine throw like 4 passes last week. Does that count?

wachashi 01-26-2020 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14752054)
You act like you’re going to score 60 points. You’ll score in the 30’s. And you’re going to lose.

Which will this board save face because Mahomes will still move the ball and score.

You guys have no idea what’s coming on Sunday. You should really go watch some 49er games lol.
Did you watch the Chiefs just dismantle the Titans? Niners will be lucky to score as many points as the Titans did on this defense. Tennessee had a more efficient rushing attack AND the more efficient passing attack over the course of the ENTIRE season (so, including the Mariota games). The path to victory for the Niners does not involve letting Mahomes and this offense drop 30+ points. It's game over at that point.

RealSNR 01-26-2020 10:19 AM
Jimmy Garoppolo has good chemistry with Martin Short, even if he doesn't know the word "depository"

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htismaqe 01-26-2020 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 14752063)
I watched Jeanine throw like 4 passes last week. Does that count?
So you watched the entire game?

smithandrew051 01-26-2020 10:21 AM
I really think the Chiefs are due for a hot start. The last 3 games have all been sluggish starts (yet all 3 have ended up as impressive wins).

DRM08 01-26-2020 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14751998)
Had Kelce just not been an idiot on that easy first down, the Chiefs would’ve blown the doors off the Pats. That fumble changed the game.
Very similar to the Damien fumble against Titans in Week 10. Both of those were mega game changers. Chiefs gotta avoid shooting themselves in the foot with turnovers and special teams blunders.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-26-2020 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14752070)
I really think the Chiefs are due for a hot start. The last 3 games have all been sluggish starts (yet all 3 have ended up as impressive wins).
Whatever it takes to end up with the lead. That’s all we want...

I don’t think Andy & co. would let off the gas if they jump ahead early but I certainly don’t want to be in that position either where we are on the receiving end of a comeback..

wachashi 01-26-2020 10:34 AM
LOL at the thought of Dee Ford winning Super Bowl MVP. LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/0O3MuO4.png

A8bil 01-26-2020 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14751863)
Tyreek Hill is the best WR in the NFL.
He has certainly made some amazing plays...he's more than just a speed receiver.

Sassy Squatch 01-26-2020 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14752090)
LOL at the thought of Dee Ford winning Super Bowl MVP. LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/0O3MuO4.png
Mecole Hardman doesn't play for the 49ers.

A8bil 01-26-2020 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14752090)
LOL at the thought of Dee Ford winning Super Bowl MVP. LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/0O3MuO4.png
Well, clearly the odds are not on him, but you never know.

Interesting what the oddsmakers think. Apparently, they're not expecting a battle of field goals. 3 of the top 5 are 49ers? And, somehow in the next week the 49ers will sign Mecole Hardman. :LOL:


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