Tier 1 and 2 revenue applies to conference TV contracts only. If UT left they could use LHN to air their games and increase the size and scope of the network, similar to Notre Dame's contract with NBC. They wouldn't care about potential Tier 1 and 2 losses because they would make it up with their own contract.

I think theoretically the Big XII could be stable for 10 more years for all anyone knows. But at the same time, it wasn't two about weeks ago that the teams driving the "stability" of the conference would've jumped ship for another conference had the other conferences not found them arrogant beyond belief. So that's a real fine line to walk.

This should be your sig in order to remind the jilted.

I for one welcome our new Southern football overlords, but so help me God, if there ever comes a day when you can only find sweet tea at a Missouri restaurant, someone will burn.

Avoid Springfield then bro....;)

Too bad your information is incorrect.


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...en-invite-most

What in the world do you think that link disproves?

You said the Big 12 gets 14 million, they look to be getting 20 million plus.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hank-k..._b_995487.html

Missouri Tigers Should Let Big 12 Die

University of Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton should do everything possible to find an avenue from which to exit the Big 12.

The University of Missouri Board of Curators unanimously voted Tuesday to grant Deaton the power to explore conference alignment options. Deaton should use that power to do everything possible to lead his school to a conference with a more stable long-term future.

No matter how comfortable the flight was, passengers on the Hindenburg eventually started scrambling to find parachutes once the airship went up in flames. Deaton undoubtedly needs to find the Tigers a parachute as quickly as possible before the Big 12 is swallowed by flames of a burnt orange hue.

The Big 12's imminent collapse can be traced directly to the University of Texas' brief summer flirtation with the Pac-10 (soon to be named the Pac-12) after Colorado and Nebraska both agreed to leave the Big 12 last year. In order to woo Texas into staying in the conference, the Big 12 allowed Texas to keep the rights to operate its own local television station.

Acquiescing to Texas' television demands was intended as a panacea for the Big 12's woes, but the cure was short-lived. Texas' television rights delivered a kiss of death to the conference in January, when the university reached a 20-year deal with ESPN to launch a 24-hour, year-round television network of UT sports coverage.

The monolithic presence of the Longhorn Network opened Pandora's Box, and all hell broke loose in the conference as the start of college football season approached. Texas A&M entered a bizarre courtship with the SEC that ended in the Aggies' exodus from the Big 12.

With the Big 12 reduced to nine teams, the Pac-10 attempted to lure Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State to officially create college sports' first 16-team super-conference. The deal fell apart quickly, with the Pac-12 announcing it was no longer planning on expanding.

All eyes then fell on the University of Missouri and the possibility of the Tigers becoming the SEC's 14th team. At a September 22 press conference, Deaton announced the University was not leaving the Big 12, but was reluctant to offer any long-term commitment to the conference.

"Our primary responsibility is to our home institution," Deaton said. "The University of Missouri is going to continue to work with what is best for the University of Missouri."

Deaton was meticulously careful throughout the press conference to avoid expressing any explicit commitment to the Big 12. The unspoken message was that Missouri is staying with the Big 12, but only until a better opportunity arises.

The outcome of Tuesday's board of curators meeting makes Missouri's departure even more likely. Deaton resigned as the chairman of the Big 12's board of directors Tuesday to avoid a potential conflict of interest. Missouri is poised to deal a deathblow to the Big 12, and the conference deserves it.

The Big 12 bent over backwards to keep Texas last summer, and in doing so alienated the rest of the conference by allowing conditions that led to the Longhorn Network's creation. Fear of the Longhorn Network creating a recruiting and revenue advantage for Texas spurred Texas A&M to defect to the SEC, and Missouri is in position to follow A&M out of the Big 12.

From a football standpoint, Missouri wouldn't be as bad of a fit in the SEC as fans and analysts seem to think. The Tigers' run defense is stellar but the secondary struggles to contain Big 12 spread attacks. Missouri's defense would be better suited for playing in the SEC, where running is more of a priority and passing doesn't feature as many four- and five-wide formations.

On offense, coordinator David Yost would have to change some aspects of the playbook, especially when he got near the goal line. However, the emergence of running back Henry Josey and the running skills of quarterback James Franklin will make such an offensive transition very smooth. The Tigers would play much tougher opponents than normal, but would remain competitive.

In terms of basketball, Missouri would also easily survive a transition to the SEC. The level of competition in basketball in the SEC is nowhere near as tough as it is in the Big 12, and even the Tigers, who have faced turmoil in the basketball offseason, could easily compete for a SEC title.

Missouri could move to the SEC and remain competitive in both major revenue-producing sports. The Tigers don't need to fear being crushed if they leave the Big 12.

For a conference with a future currently contingent on Missouri's membership, the Big 12 hasn't placed anywhere near as much of a priority on keeping Missouri as it did Texas last year.

Columbia Daily Tribune reporter Dave Matter reported Tuesday the University of Missouri's Homecoming game against Iowa State will not be televised. The Big 12 offered to broadcast the game at either 11 a.m. or 6 p.m. on Fox College Sports, but Missouri declined in favor of starting at the traditional 1 p.m. start time, according to Matter.

The Big 12's inability to find room for Missouri's Homecoming game on the national Fox Sports Net instead of the regional Fox College Sports is inexplicable. The University of Missouri created the tradition of Homecoming, and is celebrating its 100th-ever Homecoming this year.

At such a sensitive time when Missouri holds the key to the entire Big 12's future, a conference that valued Missouri's membership would have done everything possible to accommodate such an enormous part of the school's history.

Interim Big 12 Commissioner Chuck Neinas has said the Big 12 wants to keep Missouri, but actions speak louder than words. If the Big 12 cannot even be bothered to televise the 100th anniversary of Missouri's first Homecoming, the conference doesn't want the Tigers' membership badly enough for Missouri to justify staying despite the turmoil.

The Big 12's failure to televise the 100th anniversary of Missouri's first Homecoming is exactly what Missouri football coach Gary Pinkel called the entire Big 12 realignment situation: embarrassing.

To stay in the Big 12 is to submit to embarrassment by association with a conference that cannot get its affairs in order. Deaton knows his school is better than that. It is time for Missouri to find a new conference.

You're dead to me.

ESPN updated their story.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...en-invite-most

A source with direct knowledge of the Big 12's expansion plans told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that Missouri's indecision has put the expansion committee and the conference in a tough position as it waits to see how many teams it will seek to add to the conference.

The source said the five-person expansion committee expects to have a second conference call sometime within a week. The committee still doesn't know if Deaton will recuse himself since he's one of the five members of the committee with Kansas State president Kirk Schulz, the chair, as well as Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione and Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds.

The source said that the top choices remain BYU, Louisville, West Virginia and TCU, but a new school was discussed recently that hasn't been mentioned publicly: Tulane out of Conference USA. The source said the Big 12 has been contacted by a number of other schools about possible inclusion, as well.

The source said that Tulane would become a viable option for the Big 12 if it were to grab four schools to beef up the membership to 12, in a situation where BYU decides it doesn't want to leave its football independence or its new tie to the WCC in all other sports. Tulane is interesting to the Big 12 because of its location in New Orleans and in a state, Louisiana, where the Big 12 is absent, as well as the school's renewed commitment to sports and facilities after Hurricane Katrina.

A source with knowledge of Tulane's situation told ESPN.com that the Green Wave have privately been making overtures to the Big East and Big 12 about possible membership but didn't want to upset Conference USA as that league looks to form a partnership with the Mountain West.

Tulane is also a member of the Association of American Universities -- the only AAU member listed as a possible addition. The prestigious AAU tag is something that the SEC has looked at as an important criterion for expansion as evidenced by the league promoting Texas A&M as one of three AAU members in the SEC in a news release announcing the Aggies' addition. Florida and Vanderbilt are the other two in the SEC.

A Missouri addition would make four for the SEC, and take away one from the Big 12. The Big 12 would be down to three AAU schools after the departure of Texas A&M, and down to two (Texas and Iowa State) if Missouri leaves.

The source cited the improved academics at TCU and Louisville as important aspects to possible inclusion in the Big 12.

University of Oklahoma president David Boren told ESPN.com Wednesday he believes it's "50-50" Missouri leaves the Big 12 for the SEC.

"We'll be fine either way," said Boren, reaffirming Oklahoma's position of committing to the Big 12.

Asked about a timetable for adding new members to the Big 12, Boren said it could happen in a "week to 10 days."

"There are 3 or 4 good choices out there," he said.

There's been too many veiled threats from both sides for Mizzou to remain. They're as good as gone.

I am sure once I read further someone will have already called you out on this but this is the biggest POS post I have seen you post in a while.

Bill Self is acting like a spurned girlfriend...and he's pissed that for once he isn't in the drivers seat. Sounds like an ego that's getting stepped on.

If he isn't man enough to schedule MU as a non-conference then quit bitching.

Tulane? Wow.

Just saw that.

ROFL what?

They call that stability....I thought the idea was to make the conference STRONGER....meaning better institutions/programs like maybe L'ville, PIT, TCU, etc.

But Tulane? ROFL

MU needs to go to the SEC.

Pinkel has that program going in the right direction. He's been able to produce a good crop of 1st rounders in recent years..he can at least recruit...and besides getting the TX players that are overlooked....now he can dip into the LA, FL, BAMA, GA pipelines as well. I think moving to the SEC helps his recruiting if anything.

Louisville and TCU are damn near as pathetic as Tulane.

Why in the hell would you stay in a conference that thinks it gets stronger by adding Tulane? LMAO

No fear, I only drink unsweet tea. Sweet tea is gross. Unsweet tea is Awesome.

Solid post. I posted something similar last night. There have been 8 different SEC teams in the conference championship game in the last 10 years. 7 of those 8 have made it at least twice.

SEC Conf. Champ. Game Appearances
LSU 4
Florida 3
Tennessee 3
Georgia 3
Arkansas 2
Auburn 2
Alabama 2
South Carolina

Further..

In the last 10 years the Big XII has had 2 teams who have been to 2 or more BCS games. In the same time period the SEC has had 5 teams with 2 or more BCS game appearances.

Turkish ( to Bricktop) sugar? (for Bricktop's tea)

Bricktop: No thank you Turkish.....I'm sweet enough.

One of the all time great lines in Snatch.

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
There is NO truth to the rumor that the Busch Stadium Squirrel has applied for membership to the Big 12.

This is going to be hilarious.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1275023

Too little too late

That's great.

What about agreeing to sign over rights for more than six years, and agreeing that they won't buy other Big 12 games from Fox to display on their network?

The only thing that makes financial sense for the entire conference is to eliminate the LHN and start a Big 12 Network. The conference was foolish to let Texas start the LHN in the first place.

Texas has blocked a league-wide network for years. They've been planning the LHN for a while, and it has prevented a Big 12 network from ever forming.

Weiser wanted to do it before the Big Ten ever talked about it seriously. If the Big 12 creates a network when he wanted to, this whole thing probably shakes out differently.

This is the problem with the big 12..11..10..9..8.. the TLN!!!

No idea why anyone would care at this point; you have Tulane ready to step in to fill the void.

Don't forget BYU.

...and Louisville and TCU.

They aren't hillbillies.

No worries, Tulane generally can get its stadium to 83% capacity. LMAO. Sorry, I'm really having a tough time with this one.

Dude, they're freaking Tulane.

They aren't some dumb hillbilly school.

They are Tu****inglane.

Simply a testament to how easily replaceable Missouri is to the Big XII.

Somehow Tulane joining the Big XII will help the state of Missouri out.

Did you all know...

Tulane was a founding member of the Southeastern Conference? As was Georgia Tech?

So they once were hillbillies, but then saw the light and headed for greener pastures.

Like Conference USA.

Louisville KY is about as hillbilly as you get. Don't know about TCU.

Nothing wrong with hillbillies anyways. Would rather have Mizzou hang out with some hillbillies as oppose to those assholes in Texas.

I think they suffered from a Babs Uehling-like incident... school admin(s) who decided collegiate athletics should not be a focus and did everything in power to kill them.

You must have missed what Stewie said.

Any member of the SEC is a hillbilly.

Was wondering what your obsession with hillbillies was. I probably did read what Stewie said, but he has been so bitter and out in left field it probably did not register.

sptwri Mike DeArmond
LHN concessions will please Stoops MT@TravHaney But Texas backtracks on term of six years. This won't keep MU; Tigers just distrust Texas

And so did TAM and NU and CU, OU doesn't trust UT. No one should trust them. They are looking out for them self, but when anyone else does.

He's not acting like a "spurned girlfriend".

He's saying, "If they're not gonna give a **** about us then why should we bother with them?"

The longer this drags out the more I agree with him.

Texas is more on KU's level anyway as a rival.

ptwri Mike DeArmond
Texas gives in on HS highlights smells of realization it was going to be ruled against anyway. Meanwhile, Texas (cont)


sptwri Mike DeArmond
pulls back on length of TV rights signoff to original six years. That isn't compromise. That is bait and switch.
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:facepalm:

As they should.

A completely insane proposal to begin with...

sptwri Mike DeArmond
Texas gives in on HS highlights smells of realization it was going to be ruled against anyway. Meanwhile, Texas (cont)

sptwri Mike DeArmond
pulls back on length of TV rights signoff to original six years. That isn't compromise. That is bait and switch.

How do you figure that? Because you're better than them at one sport?

UT crushes KU (And everybody in the Big 12, really) as an overall athletic department.

That doesn't sound like stability

Texas-flavored stability.

Does DeArmond post ANYTHING that is supportive of the people who want MU to stay in the Big 12?

tastes like shit

Texas a better rival? This is the dumbest thing you have said all day, and that is saying something.

I don't think Dearmond works to make Kansas fans try and feel better.

We were discussing Bill Self. So yes, basketball.

So no Missouri fans want to stay and play with teams they've played with for 100 years?

If you say so. You seem to have your finger on the pulse of the situation.

ummm, okay?

Join us.

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Por...oaches2011.jpg

I would like to continue to play KU in football and basketball other than that I could give a shit

DeArmond has no clue what is going on, he only reports his opinion.

A very strong majority support the move.

Most Missouri fans would prefer to continue playing KU and possibly OU, don't give a rats ass about ISU and KSU, and want to give UT the middle finger.

If there was a way to make this work with KU remaining in the same conference as Mizzou, I'd be all for it. I'd been anti-SEC until this week. But with everything that's going on, I don't think that's possible any more. The fears I had about the move have been blunted. The Big 12 is not tenable unless the LHN dies/is morphed into what the Big 12 needs (a league-wide network that is shared revenue). UT isn't going to make that happen. It's Deloss Dodds' legacy.

There are Mizzou fans who want to stay (My Dad is one of them), but they mostly are more casual fans who don't know all the details of the situation.

He has been tuned in much better than most. He was conveying more certainty about the SEC possibility when a lot of folks thought the tide turned to Missouri being a happy member of the Big 12.

Even Mellinger sees it. http://twitter.com/#!/mellinger/stat...78196385050624

You have Mike confused for Kevin Kietzmann.

C'mon.. you're smarter than that, right?

DanBeebe Fake Dan Beebe
REALLY DELOSS? CHUCK NAYNAY TELLS YOU WHATS UP? AND YOU LISTEN? ARGHGHGHEIHADKBSKJFABFLBKJD

I respect this opinion.

But you're not going to force Bill Self's hand. If he sees his conference change dramatically over the course a few quick months he will reevaluate everything he does with his basketball team. And scheduling is a big part of that.

Most KU fans will fall in line with what Self wants to do. If you bring in a Louisville, Memphis or whoever that has a bball program that will create excitement within the fanbase you can't just expect him to go out of his way to schedule Mizzou.

That's when the whole "100 year decision" really sets in.

MU has it good in the Big 12 right now and from what everyone can see it is getting better. The SEC is bright and beautiful on those late Saturday afternoons under the lights but are you sure that MU is going to be the team shining in them?...or are they going to be the Washington Generals aka Ole Miss. Someone has to be on the other side of those games.

There is no going back. just sayin

You must be new here. LMAO

If Mizzou is willing to play KU, and KU is not willing to schedule them, then KU is the asshole and is responsible for the rivalry dieing....just sayin`

You seem to be happy with KU being the Ole Miss of the Big XII in football.

Why are KU and KSU fans worried about Mizzou getting crushed in the SEC? That is Mizzou's prerogative. Remember, little insignificant Mizzou is easily replaceable with BYU or "the and only" mother****ing Tulane. The Big XII is in good shape for the next six years until Texas decides to go independent with a matured LHN.

Why would they care about that? Tradition is dead, get used to it. The old Big 8 is dead and buried. It's every school for itself.

Wickedson, do you trust Texas to do what is right for the Big 12?

You don't think KU-UT is a basketball rivalry?

KU and Texas have met four times in the Big 12 title game.

Texas has challenged KU for the regular season title many times tying each other twice (2006 and 2008).

yea, its a rivalry...

Anyone that trusts Texas deserves his or her fate.

Why should they?

MU is the one leaving.

Like others are saying. Who gives a **** about tradition?

We're MU, we're going to the SEC.

KU is saying, "have fun".

/end

They are both clueless. Mellinger, even more so.