Dear God, Don.

You just put 2 and 2 together and came up with 9.

If Pioli had any interest in bringing McDaniels with him, JM wouldn't have accepted a job a full week or two before most jobs are filled.

Oooooo, he signed a WR....

Getting this guy would be like drinking toilet wine, yeah you're drunk but you know how it was made. :shake:

Didn't know he was supposed to be on.

I've been listening and it hasn't been mentioned.

yeah, the southie projects.

I watched 'the departed'

:)

You can show a lot more posts on one page in your User CP. I only have a total of 42 pages on this thread right now and it doesn't change that often.

Why not?

He was drafted for those reasons. Thats what great players do make the players around them better.

I know he's a rookie, and for a rookie Im fine if he starts off bad. At the very least, I expect significant progress as the season goes on. He didn't show that.

this is a guy whom many were drawing comparisons to Warren Sapp, and that was said to be the most polished and NFL ready DT. As of now, they are wrong. im sad to say but Im disappointed because I believed many of the critics.

I think Dorseys a good guy, and I hope he succeeds. Maybe he needs a change from the coaching staff? Or maybe he does need better talent around him?

But regardless, my point is, he is the key. The building block to this defense. At least thats what were led to believe.

That's my thought as well. I think it's looking like Pioli/Ferentz despite all the cries from the natives that Ferentz would never leave Iowa.

LMAO

We've been drinking at the Toilet Wine, all you can-drink "buffet" for 10 years now; can we at least have a box of Franzia for God's sake?!
:cuss:

I have 225 pages.

How many times do we have to break up this point?

Sapp

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#000000"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">1995</td><td align="left">TAM</td><td>16</td> <td>26</td> <td>16</td> <td>10</td> <td>5</td> <td>3.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td></tr></tbody></table>
Dorsey

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#c60024"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2008</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>16</td> <td>46</td> <td>32</td> <td>14</td> <td>1</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>

Tell me again that those years aren't similar. If Sapp didn't bust, then Dorsey didn't bust.

Or, it could be Schwartz, or someone we're not even expecting.

Or, it could not be Pioli at all, and this whole thread has just been a giant goat****.

Well Im with ya. He is the guy I would choose as well from any of our DLineman. Quite frankly, I don't think we'd be left with a choice? Hes a top 5 pick and there is a lot invested in him. No use giving up on him?

It's not all him. I can agree with that. This is a team game and Im glad alot of us don't forget that. This coaching staff is atrocious. Maybe hed be better with excellent coaching around him? And I really hope he can work with a smart coach that knows how to utilize his talents not only to his advantage but also for the benefits of bettering our football team.

You'll have to bring it up many, many times to penetrate the skull of the average message board tard.

Until Dorsey makes a ProBowl I'm sure.:doh!:

Can't really say that. You have a top prospect coming out of the draft. Any team that finishes with a poor record and has a high draft slot knowing that they have a chance to draft one of the better players out of the country is sure as darn hell gonna depend on that player to be one of the building blocks on their team.

Oh, and I want to see significant improvement such as:

Sapp

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#000000"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">1995</td><td align="left">TAM</td><td>16</td> <td>26</td> <td>16</td> <td>10</td> <td>5</td> <td>3.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">1996</td><td align="left">TAM</td><td>15</td> <td>51</td> <td>41</td> <td>10</td> <td>0</td> <td>9.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
I could label him a bust IF he does not increase his sack number next season. You also have to remember that teams ran all over us, so tackles were important since teams weren't passing on us.

LMAO

Between "goat****" and "Toilet Wine", this board's on FIYA!

Schwartz is fine by me, but he may be close to accepting the Detroit gig. The talks with Pioli could collapse, but I'd be shocked if it turns out that the negotiations were never that serious.

Did Tampa set an NFL record low number of sacks that year? A franchise record number of points given up? Allow 5 ypc rushing?

So you're complaining that the undertackle didn't run stuff when it isn't his job?

Nope. Which means that Sapp was surrounded by a hell of a lot more talent which gives him a huge advantage over Dorsey.

That kind of proves the opposite of what you seem to think it does.

You mean you can't compare their stats?

Problem with that is that he hardly played undertackle this season. Which is monumentally stupid IMO.

Here's another compelling reason to seriously go after Pioli:

For a long time on this forum Carl Peterson and Chiefs Planet shared the same CP reference. Very confusing at times. After we hire Scott Pioli we can refer to him as SP, leaving Chiefs Planet free to be refered to as CP. If this is not the final reason to hire Pioli, I don't know what it is. I know, I know this is a brilliant thought, but,.... wait,..... what?.......... Jimmy Raye?................??




Never mind.

Sure you can. While also taking their situations into consideration. Meaning that Dorsey's stats look even better considering them.

I don't know why this would be taking so long to resolve, other than Hunt is waiting to interview the Raven's guys.

No, you take them with a grain of salt. You say, wow, they had similar stats, and Sapp was in a MUCH better situation. Dorsey couldn't be labeled as a bust because of that! I'm not saying that he's better than Sapp or anything, I'm just trying to say that hopes were too high for him, and he met realistic expectations easily.

Esp. if Pioli wants one of the Ravens as his coach.... We can only hope!

Could be that Pioli is stringing it out. Playing the Chiefs against the Pats or a team TBD. If Pioli is Clark's guy and he has offered a contract (both rumors at this point) then I would think that Clark would want to sign the deal; however it takes two to tango.

We haven't heard any more about the Chiefs, and Pioli, but we also haven't heard anything about Pioli, and any other team, and since he is considered to be the top man league wide, that may be a good thing.

The realistic expectation was that he'd be part of a unit that set an NFL record low number of sacks, more points allowed than under the GROB years and 5 ypc rushing against KC? Those were Trevor Laws expectations, not Dorseys.

My guess is that Hunt gave Pioli time to consider an offer, and all indications are that Pioli's going to accept, but he hasn't formally done so yet. But yeah, I don't understand what they could be negotiating at this point.

Again, you have to remember our defense was on the field alot. Of course guys are gonna pileup numbers and get tackles? And dorsey is no exception. But don't let those stats blind you?

You gotta shift your focus and attention more towards the other things that he is supposed to do. Like for example, Is he able to contain rushes well enough? Is he able to close and fill in gaps well enough causing RBs to change directions when they run? And to freeup the LB's to make play in the running game. Is he explosive and quick enough at the LOS in passing situations where he can penetrate his way into the backfield and create pressure on the QB forcing him to make a bad throw? Is he strong enough to the point where he can overpower guards, or centers to get that good push at the LOS and prevent the QB from stepping up? Those are a few examples. Whats his technique like?

To look and compare his stats with Warren Sapp and say that they're similar and just because Sapp didn't bust and you say so won't Dorsey is a really not a fair way of judging him.

As a matter of fact, I don't think stats are a good way of evaluating DT play period.

We're not hiring "Johnny The Janitor" here folks, we're hiring the biggest name in the business and it's gonna' take some time.

I still believe any forthcoming press conference will include a new Head Coach as well. No reason to piece-meal it, just hit 'em with the Big Bang all at once.*


*Just like he did with Carl.

Stats are pretty much worthless for DTs, stop using to make a case for Dorsey. Dorsey struggled this year and was disappointing, that doesn't mean he was a bust, but it is something worthy of concern.

This is not the like appointing the secretary of state.... or supreme court justice... there are no hearings... this is freaking football team's general manager. I understand that it is sensitive, but obviously there is some hold up.

That would be sweet. Pioli, Schwartz. JIZZ.

You're just putting the entire blame of our defensive line sucking onto Dorsey's shoulders. You don't give him any credit for playing well considering his shitty circumstances.

OK, that's fine. Then basically no fan is actually qualified at determining if someone is a bust then. I watch the games. I don't watch every single player on every single play so I can evaulate him. I work with what I have available to me. And that's the same as what's available to most of us fans.

Yep, the silence is deafening.

This thread is a monster.

hahaha, I know. I really wish we had information about Pioli to talk about instead of arguing whether or not Dorsey is a bust (and he's not).

Especially since Pioli could be using a lot of teams to drive up his value with the Pats. Not just one team.

And I believe that hold-up is the acquisition of the new Head Coach.

We can only hope.

Man, I gotta get some work done.

I'd love to see a graph of the drop in producivity in KC this past week and up to the SB...

ESPN just announced Pioli accepts position with Kansas City Chiefs. Took long enough!! Good job Clark, now let's get a new Head Coach and turn this around.

YOU BETTER NOT BE KIDDING.

It's not on their website. I don't believe it. :(

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I've been lurking this thread for days on end...
Thank god it's almost over. (Knock on wood.)

Excellent.

Just heard it come right from their mouths. Said that the Patriots organization is getting depleted and that Pioli accepted the position with the Chiefs. It's just breaking news, give it a few minutes it will be there.

Put this on the ****ing front page! Way to go, you win.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wicked awesome!!!!!

**** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh oh!!

Looks like I chose the right moment to long in! Now gets Herm ass canned!

YES! OH GOD YES!

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!! YES!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If michael Smith report is correct then Rep for me everybody, i called this mother ****er

We need a Head Coach Watch thread now.

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!

:clap::D:)ROFL:p:thumb::drool::BLVD::louder::dom::grouphug::rockon::Pimp:PBJ:toast::hump:

:bravo::bravo::bravo:

I guess we'll see if it was him or Belichick ...

MM
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HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!!!!!!

IT IS A GREAT DAY TO BE A CHIEFS FAN PEOPLE!!!!

Nice! Now the real fun begins - head coach. :)

IT'S DONE!!!!

Agreed, but this place will melt down with speculation who Pioli is going to bring in if anybody.

Operators are standing by at Arrowhead to take your season ticket orders.

Great day to be a Chiefs fan and to live in the Kansas City Community! I know i've been an asshole to some on here I hope we can put that shit behind and celebrate one of the proudest days in Chiefs history.

Yeah, I feel 90% sure he is a Chief. The way the Hunt's have conducted business is with class, and this fits. They are also getting more mileage out of this than the regular season got them. When they make the announcement, it is going to get the stage all to itself IMO.

Done.

PIOLI IS DEAD!

Hmmm, perhaps they're eyeing an assistant on a current playoff team. That would explain alot