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You have two terrific pass rushers you will now be asking to play in a traditional trenches type role, which means they'll either have to add weight or be situational pass rushers.

Wrong. Hali and Houston are both already big enough to play 4-3 end. Houston is 270 pounds. Hali is the same size he was when he played end.

Poe might honestly be a lot better in a 4-3 because you're placing a LOT less pressure on him than the NT position asks. Shit, he didn't even play NT in college.

SAUTO

01-04-2013 07:44 PM

If it's Dorsey as GM we will see how close milkman is on Geno Smith.

I think he is spot on so Geno it is
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htismaqe

01-04-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9282507)

Is it? It's two very good pass rushers, a very good run stopper and a guy who can play 3-tech.

Two good pass rushers that are 3-4 OLBs and would get eaten alive at the point of attack, an unproven rookie, and a brokedick who never lived up to his potential.

Yeah, it is.

htismaqe

01-04-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9282514)

Thank you! Dorsey was suppose to be a badass 43 DT. Poe has shown good pass rush and was ranked highly among DTs in rush defense. Houston can defend the run as well as pass rush. Tamba would be the main pass rusher

Dorsey is broken.

Sassy Squatch

01-04-2013 07:45 PM

Who would be our OLB?

Mother****erJones

01-04-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9282522)

Dontari Poe, Glenn Dorsey, Tamba Hali and Justin Houston ALL have experience playing in the 4-3 at some level of football.

The main issue I would see with that line:

Can Hali still play left end?

Can Houston play right end in the pros?

If Poe gets his shit together I honestly don't think ANYONE could run on us up the middle with he and Dorsey in there.

They were calling Dorsey the next Sapp. Houston played some 43 too in college. Hali is a guy im not so sure about anymore. Strictly pass rusher
Poe can play 43 DT. He's got the tools needs the coaching

Cannibal

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

I can't believe people still think Dorsey is good player.

He's a ****in bust.

htismaqe

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9282526)

You think 270 pounds is big enough? You know why Indy struggled against the run all those years?

the Talking Can

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

hali got his ass run over in the 4-3...regularly

RunKC

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9282519)

You have two terrific pass rushers you will now be asking to play in a traditional trenches type role, which means they'll either have to add weight or be situational pass rushers. Those two are phenomenal in a 3-4, whereas we don't know if they'll be near as effective in a new scheme. So why risk it?

Poe belongs in a 3-4. His value is that he can play the nose and could become incredibly valuable because he's one of the rare nose tackles that can potentially play across the line in no huddle situations.

You've got 3 of your 4 guys who are probably going to be much better in a 3-4. So why force a scheme onto them instead of making the scheme adjust to the players? Especially for a head coach who doesn't really know what he's doing on defense.

Tamba had 8 sacks in the 4-3 and Justin Houston is 260 pounds. Plenty big for a 4-3 DE.

Mother****erJones

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282534)

Dorsey is broken.

Maybe maybe not. So might Albert. Would you sign him? Big men with back issues isnt good

htismaqe

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9282538)

I can't believe people still think Dorsey is good player.

He's a ****in bust.

This.

chiefzilla1501

01-04-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9282522)

I'm not saying they're not going to be good in a 4-3. I'm saying considering how good they are in a 3-4, it's highly unlikely that they can go anywhere but down. Hali can play end, but in that role he was an 8-sack guy and a guy who had trouble shedding blocks in the run game -- remember, he has T-Rex size arms. Houston is one of many DEs to come out of college who can survive as a speed rusher, but wasn't heavy enough to be a guy who can continually win in trench warfare. And don't forget that if they play every down with their hands down, even though both these guys are tremendous at rushing the passer even with their hands off, so you're limiting what they can do.

We have two tremendous players. If it aren't broke, don't fix it. BUild around your good players .