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HolyHandgernade 06-15-2010 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6822012)
This is terrible for Missouri, who stood a chance to be adopted by a power conference. It's good for Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, Kansas... the ones on the cusp of being mid-majors.

Although the argument could be made that the loss of two teams and the replacement by inferior teams, plus the consolidation of power in the big 3, means the Big 12 is more like a mid-major football conference.

Now Texas is once again like the road captain, letting everyone know those chains are for their own good. Wish they'd stop being so good to everyone.

Guess all these other schools will just have to accept that they have been moved down a peg in football relevancy, while the schools in major conferences have all improved themselves.

If the Big 12 is to become more relevant in the future they need to add quality football progams and lose the millstone football programs.
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I'm sorry, but this is exactly the attitude that got you played in the first place. You think your program is bigger than it is, has more appeal than it does, draws more from its market bases than it will. You are in a major football conference. You are getting paid close to what the good SEC teams get paid despite not having near the chops to justify it. You got to kepp your natural rivalries, keep your reduced travel time, and almost double your revenues. You're given so much more than Boise State is and yet you make it sound like its "the deal" that keeps you down.

DeezNutz 06-15-2010 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 6822049)
I'm sorry, but this is exactly the attitude that got you played in the first place. You think your program is bigger than it is, has more appeal than it does, draws more from its market bases than it will. You are in a major football conference. You are getting paid close to what the good SEC teams get paid despite not having near the chops to justify it. You got to kepp your natural rivalries, keep your reduced travel time, and almost double your revenues. You're given so much more than Boise State is and yet you make it sound like its "the deal" that keeps you down.
The OSU and Texas Tech bit is the beautiful kick in the teeth.

HolyHandgernade 06-15-2010 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6822062)
The OSU and Texas Tech bit is the beautiful kick in the teeth.
Yeah, but that's through association via the respective state's Board of Regents, not necessaily because they are "much" better progams. Association has benefits if your associates are powerful.

MoreLemonPledge 06-15-2010 09:31 AM
The Big 12 South (or whatever it's called now) totally used the North as its Fleshlight.

ChiefsNWildcats 06-15-2010 09:33 AM
What are some other programs in other conferences that are comparable to MU, KU, and KSU? How will we stack up with them with the new revenue?

All have been very competitive with other similar teams with even the previous TV deal. Will doubling our money not make things even better?

I don't concern myself with how much more Texas has. I know my school will never be up there with them. What I want to do is be up there with other middle tier schools. I feel this new conference accomlishes that. Doubled our income and probably will recruit Texas kids a bit better.

Reaper16 06-15-2010 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6822070)
The Big 12 South (or whatever it's called now) totally used the North as its Fleshlight.
Its froglight, even.

DJ's left nut 06-15-2010 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsNWildcats (Post 6822074)
What are some other programs in other conferences that are comparable to MU, KU, and KSU? How will we stack up with them with the new revenue?

All have been very competitive with other similar teams with even the previous TV deal. Will doubling our money not make things even better?

I don't concern myself with how much more Texas has. I know my school will never be up there with them. What I want to do is be up there with other middle tier schools. I feel this new conference accomlishes that. Doubled our income and probably will recruit Texas kids a bit better.
Arkansas is a perfect match, IMO. While Arkansas has a little more football history, it's also been about on par with MU for the better part of the last 15 years. MU also has a distinct advantage in television households.

Arkansas gets about $17 million/season from it's deal. Facially, 2+ million more/season isn't immaterial, but I don't suppose it's worth going crazy over either.

But that's not really the problem. The problem is that this deal will continue to create instability within the conference. The SEC deal was a unified contract that had everyone in the conference happy and ready to move forward. This deal is just going to continue to foster animosity.

Absolutely nothing was solved here, in fact the leash got even shorter.

Archie Bunker 06-15-2010 09:45 AM
UPDATE, 10:15 a.m.: Speaking to reporters in Austin, Texas, Texas President Bill Powers seemed to debunk reports that the Big 12 revenue-sharing policy will be changed to a tiered system that was reported here and elsewhere. "We oppose that kind of deal," Powers said, referring to a special bonuses for certain schools. "We will be distributing money like we have done previously."

Powers said he is not aware of any "firm deal" with TV networks and that Texas' return to the Big 12 was based on economic estimates of the value of the Big 12.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblo...-the-old-boss/

beer bacon 06-15-2010 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6822098)
UPDATE, 10:15 a.m.: Speaking to reporters in Austin, Texas, Texas President Bill Powers seemed to debunk reports that the Big 12 revenue-sharing policy will be changed to a tiered system that was reported here and elsewhere. "We oppose that kind of deal," Powers said, referring to a special bonuses for certain schools. "We will be distributing money like we have done previously."

Powers said he is not aware of any "firm deal" with TV networks and that Texas' return to the Big 12 was based on economic estimates of the value of the Big 12.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblo...-the-old-boss/
This is good news for Missouri if true. It isn't what we wanted, but the status quo is better than what was reported yesterday.

kepp 06-15-2010 09:55 AM
How much is the TV deal worth per year overall? I guess no one really knows that yet. If the tiered system were true, then it would be somewhere around $170-$180 million per year:

Tier 1: $25mm/year x 3 = $75mm
Tier 2: $17mm/year x 2 = $34mm
Tier 3: $14mm/year x 5 = $70mm

I that is the approximate value, and we AREN'T going to use the tiered system, then the schools stand to see a lot more $$. What are the distribution percentages from last year? If we applied those percentages to $170 million, what would each school get?

Saulbadguy 06-15-2010 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 6822049)
I'm sorry, but this is exactly the attitude that got you played in the first place. You think your program is bigger than it is, has more appeal than it does, draws more from its market bases than it will. You are in a major football conference. You are getting paid close to what the good SEC teams get paid despite not having near the chops to justify it. You got to kepp your natural rivalries, keep your reduced travel time, and almost double your revenues. You're given so much more than Boise State is and yet you make it sound like its "the deal" that keeps you down.

Finally, a post from HHG that actually makes a lick of sense.

kepp 06-15-2010 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 6822049)
I'm sorry, but this is exactly the attitude that got you played in the first place. You think your program is bigger than it is, has more appeal than it does, draws more from its market bases than it will. You are in a major football conference. You are getting paid close to what the good SEC teams get paid despite not having near the chops to justify it. You got to kepp your natural rivalries, keep your reduced travel time, and almost double your revenues. You're given so much more than Boise State is and yet you make it sound like its "the deal" that keeps you down.
Wait, what's a "gernade"?

Pants 06-15-2010 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6822132)
Finally, a post from HHG that actually makes a lick of sense.
Don't be a dumbass. HHG is a good poster.

ceebz 06-15-2010 10:07 AM
So, word is CU will be paying a 6-8 million dollar penalty for leaving the Big 12.

One has to wonder how they're going to pay that when they couldn't afford Hawkins' $3mm buyout.

kepp 06-15-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ceebz (Post 6822150)
So, word is CU will be paying a 6-8 million dollar penalty for leaving the Big 12.

One has to wonder how they're going to pay that when they couldn't afford Hawkins' $3mm buyout.
Yeah, the Big12 will be dribbling that check to the bank.


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