A mock draft means the “Chiefs are angling for him”?

LOL, it all lines into place sign a big run stuffing body. CJ totally flopped & missed 3 sacks on Burrow in the Championship game and he's hitting the end of his contract.

Wyatt and Jones would make a killer DT duo, but I'm really pulling for an EDGE guy in the first if one is even remotely worth being taken at 30.

I wonder what Campbell or Hicks would cost

I think Hicks signed already.

Neither is the guy, though. Kyzir White is the LB the Chiefs need.

I’ve jumped aboard the Kyzir White train. Would be a great get and solidify the LB corp. Allows us to practically ignore the position in the draft unless we find a Trey Smith level steal.

Vikings DE Danielle Hunter's $18 million roster bonus became guaranteed on Sunday.

The Vikings had explored trading Hunter this offseason, but it appears they weren't too fond of any of the offers. Hunter's appeared in just seven games over the past two seasons, missing most of 2021 with a torn pectoral. Hunter's $28 million cap hit could still be lowered with a re-negotiation, but that would push more of the cap hit into the final year of his contract in 2023. This would seem to lock Hunter into the Vikings plans for 2022.

So close to a Kyzir circle jerk.

I saw a post on Reddit that showed him as a FA. Guess it was wrong lol

That cute Nnadi boy is coming back.

I beleive he’s talking about Akiem, not Jordan.

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He’d be a nice Dirty Dan replacement.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ns-return/amp/

Many are still confused as to what happened between Smith and the Ravens. So we tried to figure out what transpired.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Smith and the Ravens had agreed on a contract per the basic terms (four years, $35 million), with incentives that would have pushed the total value to $50 million. Then, the player decided to back out.

This happened, coincidentally (or not), after Chandler Jones agreed to terms with the Raiders, and after Von Miller agreed to terms with the Bills.

Smith and his agent then proposed a different deal to the Ravens. The Ravens accepted the revised terms. They were then told that Smith would make a decision the next day.

The next day, Smith and his agent proposed a dramatically different deal. The Ravens passed, and that was that.

Many have assumed that Smith had something else in hand. He didn’t. He remains a free agent, with no obvious or apparent deals. And the money in free agency already is drying up.

It’ll be interesting to see whether Smith goes back to the Ravens at some point, seeking the deals away from which he walked. It also will be interesting to see whether the Ravens would put those deals back on the table.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/lorenz...th-giants/amp/

Lorenzo Carter not expected back with the Giants.

I wouldn't mind the Chiefs trying to sign 26 year old, Lorenzo.

He's had his problems with injury, but I really liked him coming out of Georgia.

PFF estimates a two years, $8M deal for Mr. Carter.

I think Brett Veach can get him for cheaper.

He’s going to be 30 before the season starts and is coming off a full year lost to a back injury that required surgery. I bet the deal from Balltimore didn’t have much guaranteed money and was backloaded.

I’m not against signing him, but we need to structure any deal with an injury clause to limit team cap liability if his back injury removes him from the field.

I posted this in the Patrick Peterson thread which died a fast death.

Probably it is one of those nobody gives an F, but I like the guy, so I am posting it again over here.

CB Fabian Moreau – 27 years old but will be 28 for the next season. 6-0, 204 pounds, 5 years at UCLA, 3rd round pick of Washington Redskins in 2017.
2017 NFL Combine stats – 6’ ½”, 206 pounds, 4.35. 40 yard, 38” vertical, 11’ 4” Broad jump

Fabian has missed 4 games in 5 years in the NFL so pretty healthy.

2021 ATL – 16 starts, 61 tackles, 44 solo, 11 PD.

At the East West Shrine Bowl he was smooth and able to mirror receivers. He was also invited to the Senior Bowl, but they are back to back and he declined the invitation. He tore his pec doing the bench press for his pro day and the injury affected his draft status some.

He’s a willing tackler with his coverage, but a fault would be his run support.

Last year he played for a $990,000 base plus a $137,500 bonus, so I think he could be inexpensive.

Interesting assessment of Moreau -
Falcons should bring Fabian Moreau back in 2022 - SportsTalkATL.com

He’s not perfect, but he has stayed healthy and he is able to cover and probably not too expensive.

Side Note - Atlanta Falcons just signed CB Casey Hayward as the replacement for Moreau.

Even if we signed Moreau, we should probably draft a CB but I think he could improve what we have.

Only 1 year with a coverage grade over 60.

I'm not against signing him either but I would prefer a 1-year structure for a guy like him. Maybe a 1+2 or something.

I wouldn't want to actually give him a long-term contract.

Hello,
I would like to sign up for this Kyzir White circle jerk. Plz get back to me. Thx.

Matt Ryan to Indy? Seems logical.

Everyone is saying baker to indy. But if i were baker id pack up my horse and head out west. The NFC looks to be a much easier confrence.

You guys talking about Kyzir White?

KYZIR!!

Any rumored interest at all?

I try not to get fixated on individual players unless there's some smoke...

I wonder if there's a market for him... he only has a couple of years left and in the right spot, maybe he brings something. I believe it's clear though that nothing will happen with him in ATL. His cap situation looks ugly.

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Haven't really seen a scrap of news on him anywhere.

Nwosu signed w/ the Seahawks so that may increase the odds of him landing back with the Chargers on a 1-year deal.

Market just doesn't appear to be developing for him.

Key visiting the Lions. Sounds like we aren’t in on him or he wouldn’t be flying to Detroit lol

He might be an interesting complimentary piece on the cheap.

I would have to go back through this thread but Nate Taylor had a Q&A on the Athletic and one of the questions was basically what FAs he thought were priorities to the Chiefs.

He listed Z. Smith, A. Robinson, Juju, Landry and Kyzir White.

Son of a bitch. Veach is going to blow my prediction.

falcons.

We made zero effort for a pass rusher so far. Our biggest problem no doubt.

If they're not in on Key, I gotta believe they're still in on Smith.

Not sure I prefer that route at this point, to be honest. Smith's approach with Baltimore, an organization he has a history with, really put me off him.

That's a guy who's just out for the check and I could easily see him shutting it down if he gets paid. Or pouting if he doesn't.

Not sure I want him even at the same price as Key at this point when you consider that, his age and the injury issues.

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Once I saw the article I posted….it kind of soured me on him. It’s not confirmed so I guess I’ll wait to see but it sure comes off as him seeing all the money guys were getting and then backing out of his deal.

I would much rather get Dunlap on a 1-2 year deal if we’re wanting an older DE who is consistent.

Goddamnit

Doesn’t seem like they’re at all interested in the younger edge rushers.

My guess is they want to draft at least 1 in the first 2 rounds, and they still like Kaindoh, so they’re just looking for a vet that can be a stopgap.

My guess is they bring Ingram back.

Yeah, haven't heard anything from them on that group of relatively affordable 25-26 yr old guys.

Seems like they're content back-filling in the draft and scooping up a cheap vet that slips through the first wave.

Not the direction I'd go, but they didn't ask me.

There are still guys out there I think would make this DE group better.

Dunlap
Barnett
Green
Key

Just my 2 cents. They like Ingram and know he wants to come back but will make it for the right price. They also like the edge class and want to find on there.

I really wonder if they are going to draft a DE and DT with our first 2 picks? I really wouldn’t be surprised by that bc there are boundary corners with athleticism that can be had in rd 3

They could also be higher on Kaindoh and want to see him with more of a role in this defense.

Agreed.

I agree, but Ingram is 33, and only 6'2 and 247 lbs with just 2 sacks last year.

I'm wondering why Chiefs Nation has never shown any interest in Jadeveon Clowney!? He's 29, 6'5, and 255 lbs, is a top-tier disruptor at DE that comes at a below-market price tag and finished the previous year with 9 sacks.

I just see zero interest from our fanship for him, and I'm not sure why?

This is from a Nate Taylor article about bringing back Nnadi.

Draft impact

While the Chiefs were able to restructure the contract for defensive end Frank Clark and retain Nnadi, Veach and defensive coordinator Spagnuolo will still likely want to select a defensive lineman in the draft to add quality depth.

The Chiefs have four picks, including two third-round selections, in the first three rounds of the draft. The odds of the Chiefs selecting a defensive lineman with one of those picks, likely an edge rusher, are high. The Chiefs are high on a number of defensive linemen in the upcoming draft class, and the team could move up in the first round via a trade — trading the 30th overall pick and one of their third-round picks — to select such a prospect.

Kaindoh has a pretty big leap to make this offseason, he was overmatched what little he was on the field

This sounds like Brett Veach. I still wonder who would be there for us to move up? I don’t think Devinte Wyatt is worth that. I think it would have to be an edge rusher.

Jermaine Johnson has been mocked around 22-25 but also in the top 15. Who knows

I guess it depends on how far a guy like Johnson or Karlaftis fall.

Our first and a 3rd is only around 744 points which would put us up with the 23rdish pick. Not much movement there

Pick 94 will get you to 24.
Pick 103 is only going to get you to 26.

I think we would need to jump Arizona at 23 to get a DE.

Thought I would put this here. The Browns did us a massive favor. Tom Pelissero was just on GMF talking about this contract and how livid many other GM’s were about this deal bc it altered the QB market.

He specifically mentioned GM’s with upcoming QB contract negotiations that will happen in the next year. Also mentioned a lot of those GM’s being in the AFC competing against Watson specifically.

You know who is about to pay their QB’s new big time contracts?

Raiders
Broncos
Chargers

Look at how much guaranteed money Watson got compare to everyone else? So yeah these big moves by the divisional teams are temporary and they will have problems soon enough. No to mention loss of draft picks from Denver

Well these guys are probably going to go way too high for a trade up:

Jermaine Johnson
Travon Walker

It would likely be for one of these:

George Karlaftis
DeVonte Wyatt
David Ojabo

The tough thing for those GMs is figuring out how much they want to pay their QB if the team isn’t as successful as they expect it to be. For all the talk about Herbert being just as good as Mahomes….he hasn’t done shit when it comes to winning games.

Just further emphasizes that there was no need to go all-in this year.

We have just as good of an opportunity as anybody this year, but we could also be better off long term.

Seems Edge is much deeper than DT. I'm pretty certain they would have to trade up to get Wyatt or Davis, and there is a pretty big drop-off after that (some think Winfrey is a 1st rnder). I hate trading draft capital, but you either take top available Edge (Mafe, Ebikitie?) and hope Mathis or Winfrey are around at 64, or trade a 3rd and get Wyatt or Davis in the 1st, and Enagbare, Sanders, or Jackson types in the 2nd. This may be the year to trade up (hate it), but if you do, you will likely miss out on a good but raw boundary receiver, or a raw but athletic CB like McCollum. Unless someone falls (Ojabo, Wyatt), it seems the best we could do is a solid double.

I have to think it’s either Karlaftis or Wyatt and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Wyatt.

This DE class is deep. I would think that he would want to grab a DT like Wyatt because Jones might not be here next season. For sure he isn’t here in 2024. Veach can still get a DE in round 2.

Doesn't matter. Watson has accomplished shit and look what he got. Justin is the better player he just has an idiot for a coach.

Don’t shoot me….but would Veach trade a high pick next year to get a guy like Wyatt or a DE if they fall?

It would take jumping from 30 to around 16ish….but we would be jumping the Chargers to get him.

It’s happening…

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I would say yes in light of the compensatory picks coming at us (surely we won't do this song and dance with Bienemy another effin year, although he may not be under ocntract?). Another 3rd and 7th for Poles, and 3rd and 4th if Jones goes elsewhere?

I don’t see any way Johnson makes it out of the top 15-20 after the Ojabo injury.

Yep. Herbert is going to get big, big money.

I bet the Bills are glad they got that deal done when they did. I'll bet Josh Allen isn't, though.

Are we sure this isn’t photoshopped?

Chargers would be wise to get him wrapped up early - 2 years left, but I wouldn't wait too long. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-ange...herbert-47599/

Denver should also work out an extension with Wilson, he has 2 years left... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-b...l-wilson-9885/

this.

i really don't get all the reports about our fascination with smith. sounds like he's after more guaranteed. not sure why veach would want to get involved with this mess with the previous one still on the ****ing roster.

Our "interest" in Smith had to do with Joe Cullen. I have to wonder if we're actually interested at all.

The only thing about Smith is there's at least SOME smoke.

Not only has there been nothing on Key to the Chiefs, there's been like no rumors about Key AT ALL.

The first Key info is from today….and he’s going to Detroit for a visit.

There are still plenty of DEs in FA that I think could fit here and wouldn’t be super expensive because of the draft class and the current market.

Hadn't seen that yet but yeah, that would be the first info on Key period.

The market has been quiet for guys like him.

Green.
Barnett.

All younger guys with warts that aren’t going to command tons of money. I’d have to think that Veach is keeping his eye on them.

Too quiet.

I'd really like to see them do something sooner rather than later.

Something of note that I think is worth bringing up is that we seem to draft for a year in advance of the hole being open.

21:We had Hitch, we took Bolton.
21:We had Blythe, we took Creed.
20: We had Damien, we took CEH (luxury, dumb, but we did). Then DW opted out.
19: We had Sammy, we took Mecole (also, Tyreek stuff was breaking/scary)

So, who are the notable upcoming replaceable starting players in 2023?
2 WR: Mecole Hardman, maybe JuJu since its a 1 year deal
2 DE: Frank Clark + whatever random ass vet/s we sign
1 S: Juan Thornhill
1 DT: Derick Nnadi

I think we're going to pick a DE or a WR. Also, Veach is huge on value, and those are 2 of the highest paid positions as of late, so 4/5 years of quality play on a rookie deal at those positions specifically is really important.

Generally speaking, there are a lot more WR's than DE's out there each year when looking at FA, Trades, & Draft, so DE would be the biggest area to address with this pick.

I'm just not sure the available talent will be worth the pick at that spot, so WR won't surprise me.

That is very suspicious. He may be a CIA mole.

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Chris Jones' contract is about to balloon. We're probably a 2 years from him needing replaced rather than 1 but he should at least be on your list.

I agree with you but you have to add Jones in there as well. His cap hit next year is around $29 million, I believe. He’ll be 29 and I’m not sure Veach is willing to give him another contract. I’d have to check but I think Saunders is almost gone as well.

Do not leave Chris Jones off that list. A best case scenario would be to get Wyatt and he is dynamite and we release or trade CJ for big cap savings.