This is what we are going to see until we stop it… The next few teams are more pass happy but if they are smart they will run until it doesn’t work..

Kind of curious why we pretty much ignored the D end spot in the off season

And then cut Taco and Ward right before the season.

And Kaindoh was inactive last night.

It goes straight to the top

From what I've seen so far of Jones at the DE spot I can not for the life of me understand what they saw to think he was ready to start there primarily.

Shannon Sharp on draft night his assessment of CEH was he's small. He's a role player, not an every down back. At this point I find myself agreeing with him.

It's up to Clyde to prove everybody wrong. No question he has a big chip on his shoulder now. Lookout Chargers.

If this defense is still AIDS in November then I'll be worried.

I'm actually far angrier about the offense not putting the game away with an 11 point lead.

The defense has flaws that I trust spags to adjust to. There's zero reason the offense shouldn't have stepped on Baltimore's throat in the 2nd half and ended the game early.

Wait until the Chargers hang 40 on us, and then let us know if you still feel the same way.

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35 points should’ve been more than enough to bury that MASH unit

The issue here definitely isn’t offense

OL was a disaster as well as LB. can’t fix everything at once.

Ingram would have been nice tho

We do have players. Chris Jones, Tyrann Mathieu, L'Jarius Sneed isn't anything to shake a stick at. You're asking that we don't have the perfect scenario at every position. Knock knock, nobody does. Every team has players that aren't the match they want them to be. Again, every team has their Ben Neimann, Anthony Hitchens or Charvarius Ward looking lost and dumb. Good coaching can overcome that to a degree.

But these guys, especially on the DL where it is beginning to look like the effort is just plain poor. They don't even seem to be pissed at themselves their lack of success. Where is the leader of the defense? Who is over there on the defense showing these results in real time are unacceptable? I see no passion but a lot of check cashing. They have been pushed around like rag dolls despite a couple series. Until it gets fixed with the players we have now. Teams will be scoring 30-40 on us each week.

Yep. Herbert is kicking his chops.

Spags has lost control of his guys. Complete embarrassment on national television.

The Jones at DE experiment is a complete failure. We are weak up the middle now and Jones is leaving open running lanes.

The guys up front can't handle basic Pee Wee football blocking schemes.

4TH AND SPAGS

What's the NFL record for 4th down conversions given up?

He gotta go

We’re 1-2 and have the worst defense in football and it’s not close. But Andy is a stubborn **** so who cares. Nothing will change.

Must've watched a different game. Thought Spags was the DC. Didn't KC's D generate 5 stops? 5/9=56%. More than enough to win any game against any opponent.

Oh, did Spags fumble the ball twice and throw those two INTs? I thought that was the offense.

With the leash Sutton had without ever winning anything, I can’t imagine Spags has any reason to worry. He won a Super Bowl so he’s not going anywhere unless he chooses to.

Sad but true. We’re stuck with his useless ass.

12/12

The man is a wizard of a red zone coordinator..he's a she's thing like a whore.

Today's loss was not on the D. Mahomes & Co. ****ed us.

So giving up 94 points in three games is good? Yes the offense didn't help but neither does needing to score 30 plus every game to have a chance to win.

Where in there did I say that the defense was good? Though if we're actually going to be honest, they came out and played rather well at first. The offense turning the ball over four times and giving away short fields throughout the first half is what sunk KC, which again has nothing to do with the defense.

You want to wear out your defense early? Turn the ball over in your half of the field four times in a row.

Here's the thing: no team has much of a chance to win if their offense turns the ball over in their side of the field four consecutive times to start the game. But in spite of that, the Chiefs D forced LAC to punt twice there.

Not sure what else you realistically could expect of them.

The offense is not playing well through three weeks, period. Turnovers, poor decisions, 3rd down arm punts are not going to get it done, no matter what team we're talking about. Patrick/Kelce/Hill/whatever JAG we put out there have to man up and play much cleaner.

And this is not about play-calling either. Stop with the 'Andy turtled up" BS. That last throw to Pringle was exactly the right call, and Pringle dropped it. His drop before was also a critical play.

Now we're seeing the offense without Sammy. It's still pretty good, but it's not as efficient and unstoppable, period. The whole "we just need two fast little guys" theory is utter BS. We need a big, physical WR2 that can actually run great routes and has reliable hands in the clutch.

But we have what we have. Which means the Hardman/Pringle/Kemp/whoever gang better find a way to play a lot better, and stop dropping balls. we simply can't afford their mistakes anymore.

I don't want to see any Spagnoula posts unless it says something about him getting canned.
Bob Sutton wants an apology

There’s a clear personnel issue right now.

Clark is not playing and has flopped. Jones is the ONLY legit pass rusher on the team right now.

Willie Gay is hurt so Neimann has to start. Bolton has looked good but he’s played 3 games.

Ward is out and it shows, even though he’s struggled himself. Sorenson is also too old to cover a TE one-on-one with any legitimacy anymore, though I get the Thornhill questions.

Think you can also make a case that Matheiu is slowly starting to show his age this year.

How many DC’s are going to look good with such a depleted talent barrier?

I have no earthly idea what the hell is wrong with Thornhill that they won't yank Sorensen, but Dirty Dan is terrible. He always has been, but he has a knack for making a big play in a big moment which is fine, but doesn't negate the dozen or so plays he just sucks per game. He's terrible.

Chiefs should bring in Alex Smith to coach the defense, he can stop an offense in the red zone like no other.

I think that the loss is on the entire team.

The offense turned the ball over too many times and the defense didn’t make the stops when they needed to.

This

It’s clearly a talent issue at this point

Is this defense worse than 2018?

The 2018 Chiefs got 37.5 sacks from Ford, Jones and Houston.

They were shitty, but they could close a game with their pass rush.

This defense is not getting that kind of pressure from three guys.

Meanwhile, the 2021 offense lacks...Kareem, Fisher, Schwartz and Watkins.

The '18 offense had all of them, so it was good enough to overcome that defense...and even work in tandem with it at times (elite O + pass rush is deadly).

If this defense is truly worse than 2018, I don't think the offense is going to be near good enough to overcome it.

I think the Chiefs HAVE to improve on defense stat if they are to have any hope of getting back to the SB.

Your best post since the loss, for sure. This is a good point. We're in all likelihood not going 13-4 or 12-5 with the D we had in 2018.

Over the last month the Chiefs defense is allowing:

16 PPG
311 YPG
213 PYPG
98 RYPG

They will still get no respect, but at some point it becomes a trend, not a fluke.

If our schedule started out with these teams (like buffalo got) the Chiefs would appear as a juggernaut.

Facing Jordan Love, Daniel Jones, and Taylor Henieken during that month, too...

Kinda what I thought.

Last five games:

15.6 points per game
309 yards per game
88 rushing yards per game

ELITE

This defense is top heavy and when you had Chris Jones out of position, Frank Clark injured, Ward injured, Mathieu moping around it looked pretty awful.

When you add Ingram, move Jones inside and get Mathieu roaming around again....

Well, this defense is good enough to go all the way if our offense is also back in the groove.

Don’t forget Bolton and Gay. Our LB as a whole looks as good as it’s been in years.

It’s really helped us out with Hitchens being our 3rd best backer

Wish our schedule was a little different. Then again, the bright side is, this team maybe needed a punch to the teeth to get them to play with a chip on their shoulder again. Especially mahomes who isn't used to not dominating on the pro level. A lot of his issues have always been there but he was able to work around it. I also wonder if this will make him think twice as he decides how much cap space he wants his contract to take up, having dealt with the frustration this year or having missing pieces.

We won the Super Bowl in the year we had the most adversity.

Injured Mahomes, bad defense to start the year.

I'm fine with it taking time as long as our best football is ahead of us.

It will also be better to have our offense work on breaking the shell now..rather than rolling people and losing in the playoffs. Now we get to practice how to eat that up...


Reid already starting to adjust more and Mahomes is becoming a better QB.

Run defense has been significantly better recently. Big improvement

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Spags saved his job.

Next season will be interesting, to say the least, as I'm sure there will be a lot of turnover on that side of the ball.

Jones is still playing a lot at end, and was effective there Sunday night.

I think we probably, in the end, made the right decision there. That allows us to take more advantage of matchups with Jones vs multiple players.

The issue was getting him acclimated to the position and learning how much to play him at end.

About 15 snaps a game seems about right.

Not only that but adding Ingram to the mucus a HUGE plus. Like our Suggs signing that pushed us over the top.

Mucus? Yuck.

I'm proud of how this years crew has rebounded, and obviously hope they can keep improving

But yeah a big shakeup on D is still needed, and I can't wait to see how it shakes out... gimme edge rushers and linebacker depth

Spags defenses only trend upwards during the season here.

edge rushers, DD and HB replacements.

We need to supplement the pass rush with young guys. I think they will keep Matheiu at a short contract. Something like 3 years but really it’s 2.

Get another corner and Sorenson replacement and we good

I don't think they keep Mathieu. He's probably gonna want top dollar or a long contract as this is probably his last big payday. Don't think KC bites on that.

Back to back super bowls with a win. Rewind 10 years ago…. Anyone that is unhappy, I don’t know what to say to you. Let’s not forget back to back World Series with a win. KC has had one hell of a run in sports with more to come. We are not a major media market and we are doing awesome things.

Have some perspective.

This time will never come again.

What a game

Imagine being one of the idiots that wanted him fired.

Punched them in the ****ing mouth. I love it.

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The Dallas game was the first time in a long time I thought we really dominated someone. Offense and defense. Last Sunday they did not look like they were even in the same class as us and we haven't really done that in a while.

You miss the Raiders game LMAO

Chief Fans are pretty stupid.

Imagine thinking you can just show up and beat a pro team. Pathetic excuse by Dak

Uhh...they fisted the Faid a week earlier

Bye week was kind to our numbers.

13th in PPG
22nd overall
15th vs rush
24th vs pass
13th in third down percentage

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I waited a long time for the Chiefs to win another Super Bowl, but the NFL is set up well to allow all of the teams to compete. MLB is not. If you had told me 15 years ago that the Royals would go to back-to-back World Series and win one and that the Chiefs would go to back-to-back Super Bowls and win one, I would have been much more surprised by the Royals. MLB is killing itself by relegating the small market teams to near permanent also-ran status.

This is a false narrative. There's been way more of a variety of teams have made the ALCS in recent years than the AFCCG.

In fairness, seeing John Elway up in the GM booth has that impact on opponents.

That variety is not due to all teams having an equal shot. The lack of variety in your statistic is due to the nature of football being dominated by great QBs, not by the nature of of revenue distribution. In baseball, it is vastly easier for the big-market teams (i.e. high revenue) to advance past the regular season than it is for the small-market (i.e. low revenue.) A larger variety in the teams advancing to the conference/league championship games is not in itself an indication that small-market teams have as much or more chance than the big-market teams.

Crazy things can happen.

I never thought that I'd see a Royals WS win before a Chiefs SB win, at least in my lifetime. Chiefs have been at the front doorstep because could never get in the door to the party, while the Royals had been terrible most of my life.

I was fortunate enough to start tee-ball around the time/peak of the "Bo Knows" era and last of the Brett era. Thought Bo was Superman. Every kid in KC wanted to be #16 or #5.

I was only 2yrs old and living in Peoria IL when the Royals won in '85, so there's no real connection for me there.

But also around that time, also Marty/DT coming to town, I was old enough to understand and be interested in football, old enough to where I could sit down and watch and actually be interested in the game. That's when I became a Chiefs fan. The Chiefs for most part were always good. But would always get beaten by teams with better QB in postseason. At the doorstep but never inside the party.

Growing up I never thought I'd ever see the Royals win a WS in my lifetime. Lots of people felt that way until about 2011 or 12. We all hoped that Hoz, Moose and these guys would pan out through the system and it happened and KC got a couple WS appearances with a win.

NFL is structured a little differently but like all pro sports you need a few things. A good FO committed to winning. A good coaching staff, and a couple/few really good superstars at the couple most important positions on the game. Whether you spend or draft/develop you still need all 3 things.

I was on board with Spags from day one. I like a lot of things about his defensive concepts.

After the Titans game, I was ready to move on not because "Fire the coach! Derp!" but because it appeared he'd lost his guys, I was seeing lack of effort up front especially. Defense is still a lot about 'WANT TO'.

But the boys up front have rallied, and Ingram has helped a lot and we can argue all day about Jones out of position and Clark blah, blah, blah. doesn't matter. They looked like shit for 6 weeks and have been balling since.

So Spags saved his job, and I'm glad to see it.

This post is nice.

Didn't the same thing happen in 2019. First half of the season we really sucked on D and then second half we had the best defense in the NFL???

The fact that Neimann and Sorensen don't see the field as often has also helped.

Spags defenses seem to do this a lot. Even the all-star Giants defense that won them a Super Bowl was kinda mediocreish at the beginning of the season. There's a reason that team was a wild card in the regular season.

So the question is... can he just coach a defense to play like this earlier in the season and to continue improving and communicating as the season goes along?

Right, but you talk about the Royals as if they are this diamond in the rough in terms of small market competitiveness.

Whereas by your own definition of success (advancing past the regular season), the A's, Tampa Bay, the Brewers, and Cleveland have all had great success advancing past the regular season since the Royals did in 2015.

While football doesn't have payroll disparities like baseball, franchises absolutely suffer from terrible owners just like baseball -- and like baseball, the NFL really doesn't do anything with their terrible owners.

Anyway, back to Spags.

Spags with a filthy d-line is an incredible defense to watch. That should be a given, but Sutton had phenomenal front 7's that often underperformed in big moments and seemed too passive when there were opportunities to strike. Spags, otoh, is the impatient madden player who goes with Engage Eight to try to force a sack and turnover, and it's a blast to watch when he's clicking.

I think Spags is a great D-coordinator. But I still wonder about the personnel decisions. Sorenson over Thornhill made no sense. I always thought Fenton was pretty good and they put everyone they could in front of him, until he finally won the job and now he's all world. Makes me wonder if maybe Armani Watts is actually decent and just can't see the field for whatever reason.

Speaking of Fenton, he will be missed Sunday.

Will Spags make the Ring of Honor?

Was there ever any doubt he'd NOT save his job? His adjustments 'historically' have been strong, I never panicked and was always (this season anyway) more concerned about our O.

I'm back to being a Bundle of Spags!