Haha. 40 wins in 4 years.

Excuse me though. I am polishing the 40 wins in 40 years Mizzou banner I hung up in my house. :)

Just wait until the SEC goes to the table with ESPN with its new lineup.

And the new SEC tv contracts are expected to blow the doors off anything out there right now - you know, the conference that has won five straight NC's and wins the national ratings every week - but I figured it would be more fair to deal with the current contracts.

The conference that just got a foot hold in Texas and the Missouri markets by taking 2 of the top 4 most valuable teams in the B12.

LOL, I probably wouldn't say it like that when applying... ;)


Not a bad fall back plan.

So you don't really believe in the loyalty to the big 12 as an entity? It is only about money and what an individual school can do for themselves?

Why not just go independent then?

The Big XII has absolutely no history. This is the equivalent of arguing to stay loyal to the town whore.

The last point isn't at all connected to any of this.

And it should with at least a 14-team league. The problem is that ABC/ESPN etc. don't give a shit about teams at the bottom of such a big league and don't negotiate based on the size of the conference. Yet, the Miss. States and Vanderbilts get an equal share. That's the sucking sound. The reason I mentioned a 16-team conference as probably untenable is because it makes the situation even worse between the top teams and bottom teams.

The conference that just added 31 million people to its footprint... which is a 56 percent increase in its footprint.

Yeah. TV deal will bump up, considerably.

KK must be a Chiefs fan: don't go to the SEC because the teams there are good.

The schedule will be difficult!!!

Never have I ever heard someone stitch themselves a clown suit on live radio.

I guess we look at both points differently.

The big12 was an outgrowth of the big8, which was an outgrowth of the big6, etc. etc. . Lots of history.

Ya know, if MU leaves, the big loser in all of this is KCMO and Jackson County. That's million$ in revenue between the b-ball tourney and the game at Arrowhead. I guess that loss is just transferred to the MU athletic department. Good for them.

Since the state of Missouri is so important for the Big 12 I guess Missouri State should be getting a call soon then. ;):D

And I would love to turn back the clock on this whole bullshit.

That would be somewhat hilarious if the Big XII extends an offer to MSU. I live here in Springfield and I'll tell you that Missouri State would get killed against any Division I school. Check out their game against Oregon a couple of weeks ago for an example.

Niiice.

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They are an improving program, with a football team.

They don't have a DIV 1 worthy stadium.

I doubt they are very far down the list when they act like Cincinnati and Houston would be great additions.

hahaha!

Now that is just rich.

The scared shitless beakers are really pulling out all the stops now. Are you going to start posting pictures of kittens with sad faces now?

"If not for Kansas City - do it for this kitten"

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Really, truly, incredibly ****ing pathetic.

We can certainly agree on that.

Can you agree that there is responsibility of each team to the conference and the other institutions in the conference? That they all depend on each other for the common good, thus the contract?

Missouri State is basically like KU to an extent. Great BBall school, but terrible football. Although I will say they've had a couple of guys get drafted into the pros. :hmmm:

There is no reason Missouri St. shouldn't have success at that level in football. Pretty ridiculous. Big school...within reach of KC, STL, Tulsa...Springfield has talented kids as well.

I live in Kansas. I don't give a shit about KCMO or Jackson County. I have nothing invested in that piece of shit. In fact, I think it's hilarious that Jackson County MU fans can't wait to give someone money that should be theirs.

We were beating Oregon after the first drive of the game. :clap:

There's no honor among thieves.

In a league where the central power brokers set the system up in a manner that pretty much disregarded the welfare of 1/2 the league, then refused to bow when the league was starting to spiral apart - well I'd say the bonds of trust never truly existed.

You could argue that the old Big 8 schools had that sort of 'social contract' amongst themselves...until NE and OU also pissed on the other 6 during the formation of the XII.

I admitted I was jealous of NE when they got to get out of dodge and now I'm ecstatic that MU looks to be doing the same. This conference has inmates more than it has roommates, let alone friends. Sorry, I'll take my chances elsewhere.

People have been saying it for months regarding the Big 12... it's a big loss for KC. It's not that hard to understand. :shrug:

Wow, I am not sure I would go that far, but ok.

WSU would compare to them in BB, and WSU had a couple guys get into the NFL. Bill Parcells came from WSU, along with Jumpy Gaethers.

Both also hired Terry Allen to be their football coach...

Except that they don't stay here in Springfield when they can get better scholarships to better schools. Dorial Green-Beckham is one of the main reasons I'd love to see Mizzou in the SEC. With MU in the SEC it might be the tipping point in keeping him here in Missouri! :thumb: Primetime exposure and he'll get to play close to home.

So using the Kubler-Ross model - would this fall under 'bargaining'?

I suppose it could be 'acceptance', but it doesn't seem sincere enough.

Or maybe it's just more ass-hurt beakerisms and thus we're still stuck in the 'anger' stage of the whole thing.

Or maybe you've just exposed yourself as a D-bag. Yeah, that's probably it.

Uhh, why are the beakers scared? Is Texas or OU leaving?

WSU is probably a better comparison, thanks Hemi! :thumb:

It hurts the Kansas side of the state line as well.

Yeah - no passive aggressive douchery here at all:

I understand it's a loss for KC, but when Stewie spends several days absolutely excoriating the move and insulting anyone who thinks its a consideration (let a good idea), it's completely transparent sour grapes.

It seems like so many other things in our current society. It is all about me and $$$ instead of commitments, honor and tradition.

This has been fun though, and the drama is fun to watch.

You mean like the Miss St. that won 9 games a year ago, murdered Michigan in a bowl game, and finished ranked in the top-15?

Wow you're stupid.

Good question.

Ask Stewie (or Rustshack, but he's not a Beaker).

I've been saying all along that you guys probably end up in the B1G when all is said and done due to all this. But there's no way Stewie actually believes the shit he's saying, he's just worried KU is going to get left out when the XII collapses.

And yes Mr. Metro, it's going to collapse. Wish it away all you want, but the XII is just a staging ground for the LHN and a holding tank until OU gets the deal it wants. It may take 5 years, but the XII is on life support at best.

Yeah, at one time the WSU program was well ahead of SWMS, but MS has really elevated their program, or so it would seem to me. I think they are the second largest program in Missouri, right?

I used to think if WSU would bring football back, someday there may be an opening in a bigger conference. But it is starting to look like just the opposite is going to happen.

Sorry if leaving money on the table for KCMO is fine with you. I'd be pissed, but obviously no one in KCMO cares, just like accreditation.

KU will be fine. We have revenue sharing now and a contract that makes the league stable. When we add BYU and TCU we'll be at 10 which is a good number.

MU leaving for the SEC is great for KU. Kansas was never going to get an SEC invite. If everything goes to 16, it opens up a spot in the B1G that KU might get instead of MU.

And KU won the orange bowl in '08. ABC/ESPN don't negotiate football contracts for Miss. State. Never have, never will.

Yeup.

Stay or go, MU's done nothing but help KU in this thing.

Was it their design? Oh hell no, absolutely not. But I'm not sure why KU fans are so damn uppity about it. MU going to the SEC is great news for them in the long term and if MU stays in the XII it will be because of the concessions made regarding tier 1 and 2 rights, which also helps KU.

Whatever - they can keep on stamping their feet.

If the SEC rejects Mizzou, I'm putting the blame on that ESPN article. "The B1G was our first choice, but the SEC is all that is left (paraphrase)". JFC

10 is not a good number, dumbshit. You can't have a conference championship game with 10 teams. With 4 of the 6 BCS conferences having a championship game, and the only other league that doesn't being the laughable Big East, then your conference is shit without a conf. champ. game.

You guys still provide a great game in B-Ball against us. Should be a good season this year with Weems returning to the Bears lineup.

Yeah, wish that wouldn't have hit the media, that's for damn sure.

Not our greatest quote.

Yes, the Big XII is stable, FOR SIX YEARS. That's why Mizzou wants to GTFO.

I was wondering when someone would bring that up.

SEC is the second choice, and they know it but probably don't really care. They will just yell scoreboard to the B1G.

Hopefully that's the way it goes, and not "Hey! We're not second best to anyone! Enjoy getting ass raped by Bevo for the foreseeable future". Dumbass person making dumbass quotes.

Agreed, those were some fun games to watch last year, and the Shockers are valid again. We used to take that for granted, but Eddie Fogler put the program in a 20 year tailspin that they are finally recovering from.

I am confident the powers to be are above that, and they have met in person to get these obstacles behind them. Hopefully the people putting these deals together are a little sharper than some of fans. :D

But the hillbilly league is at 14 now with a championship game. Who cares? Let me know when Vanderbilt or Kentucky plays in that game. It's a ****ing joke. Since Texas and Oklahoma don't play in a conference as good as the hillbilly conference I guess it's easier for the rest to win a bogus national championship. Sounds good.

At least you said it and not some idiot KU fan!

I saw that as odd, too. They did this to show the Big 10 they were available again? If it fails we can make the SEC look like the Ivy League with good football?

The SEC was always the first choice for the athletic department and football program. The Big 10 was the first choice for the faculty.

TCU isn't going anywhere if the BE doesn't dissolve.

BYU is a football independent.

Jesus.....just stop already.

I do not understand why a lot of the detractors like Keitzman fail to think that at some point Mizzou can actually improve. All that is being talked about is a decline in Football. Mizzou has a pretty fertile recruiting base in our home state, that we might not miss out on some of these kids being in a conference like the SEC. If we can get into some of these Sothern states and get some of those kids to Mizzou there is no reason to think we could be in the top half of that conference. I am not saing it would happen but there is a chance it would.

I will miss the Big 12 and the regionality of the conference as I think it is a better fit but it the league changed with NU, CU and A&M already gone. Some of that histoy that people are talking about has already walked out the door. The league will never be the same, I don't see the league on the rise unless the Big 12 gets a team like ND to join. Adding teams like TCU, Louisville and the like does not make it a stonger conference. It only makes for an easier conf. for the top teams to win.

He said Missouri (the state).

Here's a list of the teams that have played in the SEC title game in the past 10 years:

East Division
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
South Carolina

West Division
Auburn
Alabama
LSU
Arkansas
LSU

Nine of the 12 teams in that conference have played in the title game. 75 percent. Much more parity in that league than the Big 12, which has seen only six teams in the Big 12 title game over the past 10 years. 50 percent.

The SEC also has great teams at the top. But the four super elites do go through cycles.

Florida is currently in a bit of a down cycle after a long run with Urban Meyer (that followed an extreme down cycle under Zook)

Alabama is riding high under Saban, but the guy is 60. There's no guarantee they'll get it right when he retires. They didn't with Shula, Price, etc.

LSU was a pretty middling school in football before Saban (their history looks a little like Missouri's - big dark period in the 80s and early 90s) and Miles rolled in. Miles is 58.

Auburn is a classic up-and-down program.

My point: If you look at the past 25 years, the SEC has always been great, but programs have cycled up and down. They've moved from the second tier to the first tier and vice versa. Some have even had years where they cycle into the third tier, fighting just to make a bowl.

Yes, the SEC is tough as hell. But what makes it tough is the depth, not that the super powers are that much more super than anyone else.

With the right coach and commitment to football, a team can find great success down there.

IF the rights agreement goes through at 12-13 years as has been rumored, the Big 12 WOULD be a very stable conference for that period. He is correct in that. He is also correct in stating that there is nothing prohibiting an SEC team from leaving - though it is not likely anyone would.

Do you realize how laughable it is to sit there and say or type that the Big 12 - after losing 4 schools in the last year - is more stable than anyone, let alone the SEC?

Seriously, I get you feel jilted by Mizzou's actions, but that is no reason to just make illogical and ridiculous comments.

Great post.

Probably too many facts for this crowd though.

mikey clearly says "IF the rights agreement goes through at 12-13 years as has been rumored, the Big 12 WOULD be a very stable conference for that period."

and there is nothing prohibiting Texas from taking its ball and leaving, as long as it retains ownership of its third-tier rights, which the LHN network exists to show.

Without Texas, this conference is dead, dead, dead.

It could survive losing that money for a year while the Big 12 imploded if necessary.

The Big 12, without Missouri and aTm and Nebraska and Colorado, and WITH untrustworthy Texas and OU, is not going to be stabilized by adding BYU and some city-based private schools.

Rumors that rights will be signed over for 12-13 years are wild conjecture, anyway. It is known that six years was agreed to in principle, but Missouri wanted longer commitments. THose thinking the longer commitments will be put on the table are really just hoping for that to happen, because there's no indication Texas will budge on that.

Why does everyone ignore the elephant in the room when the handcuffs are discussed?

LHN is Tier 3. ESPN backs LHN. If Texas pledges their Tier 1 and 2 revenue for 5 years, 13 years, or 1000 years, they can still leave at any moment because they have a full network in place to broadcast all their games. And OU has publicly acknowledged that they are starting their own network too.

The vaunted pledging of media rights only keeps the rest of the teams in place, not UT or OU.

Great post. This is why I think Mizzou, after an adjustment period, has a chance to do well.

I was wondering about LSU, I could not think of any great teams before the Saban/Miles era. Florida was a doormat before Spurrier, and almost became one again under Zook. All the teams in the SEC have had a down time in the past 25, and almost all of the them have had success, and more of them have had greatness than the BIG XII, which seems content to let OU and UT carry the banner forever.

All I was saying that he never said the Big 12 would be more stable than anyone, you seemed to think he did.

Well according to williamtheirish. This is why KK is the best in the business.

IIRC the current CBS contract expires in 13 YEARS, CBS doesn't have to renegotiate.....they would be stupid to not enforce the current terms.

;)

You have that backawards....the Big 12 is hugely improtant to KC.

Slive has already said in public interviews that the contracts contain look-in provisions to renegotiate.

Do you really think the SEC is going through all this trouble just to add more mouths to feed? Does that make any logical sense?

Isn't there a clause that says if the SEC expands, they can reopen negotiations for Tier1 and Tier2?

Also, since the SEC is going to binding up all of their Tier 3 rights together and form a network, ala the B1G, CBS will want in on that as well, which means they will want to stay in the good graces of the SEC and keep Mr. Slive happy.

It IS a fact, despite KK touting it, that a Big 12 under those terms would be rock solid. IF a long term (12-13 yr) rights agreement is agreed to, no team would leave the Big 12. The loss in revenue would be prohibitive. That has ZERO bearing on the past. If you don't understand that you are a ****ing moron. Nowhere have I posted that the SEC would be less stable, only that the Big 12 would be. On paper, it is a detraction that the SEC has no exit fee, but as I stated, it's academic as no member has a foreseeable reason to leave.

I don't care if MU leaves....just do it and lets get back to SPORTS.

Even UT wouldn't walk away from 12 or 13 YEARS of revenue loss on 1st and 2nd tier.....that's upwards of 100mil.

The oragebloods report I read said that's what Mizzou wanted, but Texas balked.

That doesn't mean with the progression of events that yesterdays discussions didn't change things....thats the rumor anyway.


With regard to the SEC contract I don't recall if it was Petro or who, but the talking heads the other morning seemed to read into it that CBS didn't HAVE to renegotiate terms for some time.

WTF do you not understand about LHN? Seriously this isn't that complex.

Tell me why Texas could not leave with LHN and go independent for football. I really want to hear it.