If they do that Longhorn network thing it's going to be far more than 2 or 3 mill...

Texas biggest problem is schools either hate them and are sick of dealing with their shit or basically blow them and expect Texas to help them out in turn, generally those are shitty schools like say Baylor.

The Pac 10 wants them because with 16 teams Texas won't be able to be the it team or control anything, if the Big 12 does return in some incarnation with Texas leading it the advantage they have now is going to seem like a warm summer breeze in comparison to what they'll have then.

But I guess right now if you're a KU, Kstate, Baylor or ISU fan you'd rather take the Texas ass raping than be in a crappy conference.

We'll soon know what Texas really wants to do. This whole thing hinges on them.

Not entirely unrelated sincere there has been Pac-10 talk in this thread:

@BFeldmanESPN USC has been hit with a two-year post-season ban in addition to the loss of scholarships, among other penalties from NCAA. 34 minutes ago via Echofon

Most definitely this. Unless of course some kind of miracle opportunity comes along.

Is that BB or FB?

I figured that's what they were going to get...I accepted that penalty was coming about a month ago, it is what it is.

Sounds like the Trojans' 04 season will be wiped out too, making them the best zero-peat dynasty of all time.

Does that mean OU can claim a NC?

It's the football one, the basketball one might be worse....

USC is in a pretty s3rious transition period, hopefully it won't hurt recruiting to bad since it's not a death penalty ban.

At this point, I'd be fine with just moving the needle. It's half equal and half slightly unequal right now? How about we move to 2/3 and 1/3?

When you consider the athletic department income for most of these schools is way above 50-60 million total from all sources, What is 2 or 3 million, really?

I think that issue is just an irritation to Nebraska, its not why they are apparently leaving. It's simply because the Big 10 is rich right now, and the Big 12 is locked into a lousy contract through 2015 or whenever it expires.

Sure the Big 12 might eventually get a lot closer, but thats a long time to wait and they probably are also concerned that if they let this opportunity close and the Big 12 falls apart in a couple years for some other reason, they are screwed.

this has nothing to do with the topic but can you explain your avatar? is it a Canadian dude jumping off a boat into a shark's mouth? amirite

And we know why Pete Carroll bailed when he did. This ****ing guy ends up smelling like roses.

**** up a team.. then move on. Sooo shitty.

Holy ****, it's a loss of 20 football scholarships. Wow.

Whoa if these reported sanctions are true this is ****ed up, it says loss of 20+ scholarships...

Looks to me like the NCAA is going over the top to appease people who wanted SC to be punished. Expect a serious appeal on this and some of it to be overturned in court if true because some of this is WAY over the top.

I have no idea. I saw it somewhere, cropped it to fit Chiefsplanet size and KB standards, and used it. It is apparently a popular avatar because I see it occasionally on other boards.

It is like my signature, it has no point except I think its funny. A lot of people dress up their signature and avatar to mean something profound or unique to them. My signature and avatar mean nothing to me, other than just something to amuse myself.

It's so excessive you'd think there was video of Carroll handing guys envelopes of money.

It's incredibly ridiculously over the top, so here comes the appeal and legal fight..

Uh.... whoa.

Peanut sighting. Holy shit.

If UCLA every wanted to live up to his potential as a football school, now would be the time.

I knew SC was over the salary cap...

By the by, Memphis + Louisville + Cincinnati are available and bring awesome basketball, top 50 markets, and improving football programs. Just, you know. Just saying.

Colorado, Nebraska, and Mizzou bolting was kind of my dream scenario, but if the even crazier stuff happens this might be too enormous a shakeup to really end up benefiting Memphis much at this point.

Where the hell have you been?

20 scholarships? That almost makes the postseason ban look irrelevant, what is that, over 1/3 of your team gone?

I haven't been following the details at all, because I don't care about NCAA violations from PAC-10 schools, but what the holy hell did USC do? Thats one of the worst punishments in NCAA history, short of only the death penalty.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...hangsFront.jpg

Also, why did the college sports world have to implode the day before I have a ten hour drive through the freaking midwest ahead of me?

Oh well. I wasn't going to get any sleep anyways.

LMAO

The only thing remotely reported about it is the Yahoo stuff about Reggie Bush which begs the question did yahoo journalist actually help the NCAA in this which then opens a whole new bag.

There's also supposedly "secret evidence" all of this just tells me this is going to end up in court, the NCAA knew it so they went over the top to look good at 1 point in a cover your ass type of move.

That's what I'm sayin. It's not like Texas dominates everyone in sports. Kansas beats them routinely in basketball and OU takes them out all the time in football.

So what if they have the biggest endowment and money.

At this point it's worth them sticking around if it means KSU, KU and MU have somewhere to play.

Nebraska can be replaced. Move OU to the North. Done.

uhhh. Missouri is in your grouping there too. Sorry

haha...

The Lakers of college football are done.

No wonder Larry Scott has been pushing this expansion.

That conference is about to go into the toilet.

What's the use in having a lot of TVs when there are no good teams playing on them?

Texas knows this. Sorry Pac-10

I've never seen this wickedson guy post before but he's already hit elite territory, like Como level.

Apparently a lot.

Reggie Bush's family was living in a house they didn't pay for or something.

And OJ Mayo was straight up getting paid.

You do know the success rate of appeals of NCAA decisions is about nil, right?

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...onjecture.html

We'll see.

was Mayo the QB that year? i don't recall...

I really could give 2 shits about OJ Mayo or the basketball shit, the football shit is over the top.

Yes. He was the one Reggie Bush tried to lateral it to during the Rose Bowl.

He has some comedy gold in this thread.

Well are the sanctions against the football team due to all the athletic dept violations?

Or just what the football team did?

He was pretty right on about MU being left holding their own dick, like they are.

The basketball team is getting separate sanctions..

I expected 10 scholarships and maybe a post season ban 1 year, this is rather ridiculous.

I don't have a horse in this KU MU thing but to watch KU fans say "look MU sucks" for possibly being in the same spot they are is really moronic.

What is this argument now that if Missouri doesn't get a big 10 offer they're as pathetic as KU?

It's become pretty obvious that facts don't mean much around here.

Como level isn't a compliment.

Pete Carroll = get while the gettings good
Lane Kiffin = left holding the bag

Like math facts?
Like 17 and 15?

No one's been jumping on MU after it's becoming obvious they aren't getting an invite.

Please don't try and start it.

We're all pretty nervous about what's going to happen with the Big 12 North minus Nebraska.

I think most likely Tex stays, TCU gets added, and OU moves to the North. But my theory is about as worthless as everyone elses.

I just never thought that MU fit in academically with the Big 10. Neither does Nebraska, neither does KU. Neb is perhaps getting an invite because they are a national brand I suppose, but now after reading that last "report" it seems like Neb to the Big 10 is not a finished deal either.

But nothing would surprise me at this point.

damn it. a touch faster than i.

They're being looked at as repeat violators since they were also sanctioned in 2001.

It's called lack of institutional control. All these penalties will stick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...=ESPNHeadlines

tired.

get some new material plz

And we don't know that MU is left holding their dick, either. That is as much speculation as anything.

The Big 12 is dead, I know many in this area are going to hold onto it because of teams like KU...but it's ****ed.

The landscape of college football is massively changing. It's pretty obvious you'll eventually get 4 super conferences, which results in those 4 playing the winners playing and then that giving you your national champion.

since we're talking about USC for a minute, this is funny...

AaronRodgers12: Looking forward to getting my PAC-10 championship ring from the '04 season. Thanks @claymatthews52

MU to the Big Ten was never more than speculation.

It was always about ND and Nebraska. Period.

Nope. Jim Delany is perhaps the biggest BCS guy on the planet.

This 4 superconference thing will not result in a playoff. It makes it even worse in that regard.

Why? Cause this is all about tv contracts. And tv contracts are their most valuable because they are tied into Bowl games and the conference contracts with those bowl games.

4 Superconferences is quite possibly the worst thing for college football imaginable.

Sort of like: you may be shot in the chest with 4 rounds, bleeding out, hanging off a bridge of a canyon barely clutching on the railing, and on fire with your flesh roasting off, but all thats all right as long as Missouri slips and falls off too.

Matthews responds:


@AaronRodgers12 U can have it... I got 5 more!!

Atleast u cant take away the a$$ whoppin we put on @AaronRodgers12 and his bears and @Ryangrant25 and his domers!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

the real upshot here is the disappearance of the NCAA as a regulatory body governing the new superconferences.

perhaps.

Wonder what the Pac-10 (Stanford) will think of this.

NCAA hands down penalties to Colorado, Syracuse for academics

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The NCAA's big boys are beating up on the smaller schools in the classroom, too.

Only seven of the 137 teams sanctioned Wednesday for poor scores on the Academic Progress Rate come from BCS conferences. One squad, Portland State's men's basketball team, will be banned from next season's NCAA tournament.

Colorado and Syracuse were the only power conference schools to make the list in the three highest-profile sports - football or men's and women's basketball. The men's basketball teams at both schools and the Colorado football team all were sanctioned for falling short of the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate cutline of 925.

The APR measures the classroom performance of every Division I team and is based on data collected from 2005-06 through 2008-09.

Colorado will lose one scholarship in men's basketball and up to four scholarships in football. The Buffaloes scored 920 in football and 897 in basketball. The Orange's basketball team scored 912 and could lose up to two basketball scholarships if academically ineligible players leave school before next season.

Colorado was one of 10 schools to be sanctioned in both sports, though the other nine all compete in the Football Championship Subdivision. And four of those 10 are Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

Clearly, school size matters.

Only four BCS teams, other than those at Colorado and Syracuse, face penalties: men's outdoor track teams at Auburn and Cincinnati, the men's indoor track team at Auburn and the women's rowing team at West Virginia.

The other 130 teams, including 20 football and men's basketball teams that face scholarship losses, a reduction in practice time or both, come from smaller conferences.

The APR is billed as a real-time academic measure of every Division I team. Each athlete receives one point per semester for remaining academically eligible and another point each semester for remaining at that school or graduating.

A mathematical formula is then used to calculate a final team score with 1,000 points being perfect. Teams falling below 925 can face conditional scholarship losses. Teams consistently falling below 900 can be penalized more harshly.

Florida International and Southeastern Louisiana each had seven teams penalized, the most in Division I.

The other schools with more than two teams on the list are McNeese State with six; Cal State-Fullerton, Chicago State, Delaware State, Howard and Nicholls State with four; Georgia Southern, Portland State, Southern University, Southern Utah, Tennessee-Chattanooga and Texas-San Antonio with three.

Tennessee-Chattanooga avoided a second straight postseason ban in football despite scoring 885 because the team showed "demonstrated improvement'' over last year's score of 870.

Yep... well, here is my dream scenario...

ACC East

Duke
UNC
Maryland
NC State
Boston College
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech

ACC West

Memphis
Louisville
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
UConn
Kentucky
Kansas
Kansas State

It was always about ND. It is still all about ND.

Great article


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13501955


Dear Big Ten: Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red


They're special, Jim, so be kind. In fact, a red carpet of some kind wouldn't be considered over the top.

They are the Big Red. The only Big Red that matters. Nebraska. A program that forged its reputation playing walk-ons from the state's cornfields. It was recruiting New Jersey before Rutgers had a clue. At one time, its coaches used to know California better than The Governator.



It is a national program with incredibly deep local roots so be gentle, Jim, because Nebraska football isn't a "brand" or "inventory" as you like to call the games you sell to networks. Nebraska football isn't just something to fill air time on the Big Ten Network. It is a culture. It is brawn. It is Outlands, Heismans.

It is the Great Plains version of Michigan -- with its pride still intact.

Now it's all yours, Jim. Don't mess it up. Don't make Nebraska football into ... Purdue, something lost in the haze of a 16-team conference. I'm talking to you, Jim Delany. This is on you, the Big Ten commissioner. You didn't just invite a school or a team or a program. You invited a state, its people, its past, its future, its ethic.

You invited 45 percent of Notre Dame Stadium. That's the percentage of red that showed up in the Irish's football shrine when the teams met in 2000. You invited one half of the Game of the Century. You invited those thousands of balloons that are released into the Lincoln sky after the home team's first touchdown. You invited Devaney, Osborne, Gill, Rozier, Alberts, Wistrom and Suh.


You invited the Corn Belt to the Rust Belt. Will the fit be more comfortable than Nebraska's long-distance relationship with Texas? We'll see. Nebraska AD/legend Tom Osborne didn't want to leave the Big 12. He really didn't. Nebraska would have been fine staying in the conference if Texas hadn't taken over the league in everything from academics to finances.

Once Texas issued that "ultimatum" last week, it was over. Nebraska knew it couldn't go back to a league where one of the members was issuing deadlines.

It is sad because the Huskers have played members of the old Big Eight for a century. It usually beat the hell out of Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State but that's beside the point. Back then, they were all partners who genuinely liked each other. Now a school like Kansas suddenly finds itself reduced to second-class citizen status. At least KU has basketball to perhaps save it. Where is Kansas State going to end up?

Where is Kansas City going to end up? If the dominoes topple as projected, the ancestral home of the Big Eight/Big 12 is diminished. The city hosted multiple Big Eight/Big 12 tournaments and those leagues' championship games. The city built the Sprint Center just so the Big 12 wouldn't move the basketball tournament. Now what does it do? Nebraska's in the Big Ten, Missouri might be headed there. Iowa State will end up in the Mountain West, if it's lucky.

It's all collateral damage and it's only the beginning. The way it looks, Jim, this isn't going to be expansion, it's going to be waterboarding for the affected fans. Nebraska today, Notre Dame tomorrow, Syracuse on Monday. It's all so torturous and tawdry.

Nebraska is not a domino to be tipped over, Jim, it is a tradition. Before there was Tim Tebow, there was Tommie Frazier. Florida State and Miami showed Osborne and Huskers how to win during a series of beatdowns in the 1980s and 1990s. Osborne calmly took the knowledge, retooled and ended his coaching career with a flourish -- winning three out of four national championships.

Will it happen in the Big Ten? That's a key question. With 14 or 16 teams, there is the danger that Nebraska will become Purdue, a middling program with a diminished pedigree. Nebraska is at a tenuous point in its history. Football is strong, but not back -- not all the way. How will that comeback be affected by a Big Ten schedule?



Nebraska's history is filled with legendary players such as quarterback Tommy Frazier. (US Presswire)
Or does matter? Twenty million per year is 20 million for Big Ten schools. The figure reportedly will double in coming years if Delany does this expansion right. If not? Well, there is a chance that Nebraska will never be itself again. For all its greatness, the program does not have a recruiting base. The hire of Bill Callahan showed just how close Nebraska could be to ruin.

Now it is changing everything. Without Nebraska football, the state would be a slightly warmer South Dakota. With Nebraska football, the Big Ten has inherited a jewel that had better not be damaged.

These are humble, proud people who have created their own "brand." That goofy overalled mascot who roams the sidelines might be a stereotype but so is Osborne. He is a solid rock of a man who, for better or worse, has gotten to Nebraska to this point. It might be the high point of the school's history. Nebraska certainly is going to make money and make history, but it's also going to lose part of itself.

So when you officially admit Nebraska into the Big Ten, Jim, avert your eye from the bottom line for a second. The Huskers' decision didn't come lightly. Osborne probably told you at some point that Nebraska liked the Big 12 -- it loved the Big Eight even more. This Big Ten is going to take some getting used to.

All those great Oklahoma games? Relegated to the media guide for good unless the Sooners agree to a non-conference matchup.

All those Orange Bowls? Thank God for DVDs.

All those dollars? Nebraska just couldn't say no.

We ask just one thing, Jim. Treat them right. Roll out the red carpet for the Big Red. They're special.

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/ar...534237-000.jpg

I hope you all FAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!

I still like this and wouldnt cry if this happened... Football would be average to best, Nothing special. But the basketball would be insane, Just freaking off the charts! Hell take out Marshall and replace them with Kentucky. You would have the makings of hoops heaven all in one conference...


MEGA EAST
Western Division
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Wake Forest
Virginia Tech
Marshall
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Eastern Division<O></O>
Connecticut
Syracuse
West Virginia
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina State

A&M to SEC would be funny as shit. FU UT.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

Translation: We want to get 2 teams from our conference in a Championship game so we don't have to play a team from the SEC and can, therefore, get a guaranteed NC.

Having a 16 team conference with 2 8-team divisions with an auto-bid from each division and NO conference championship game? BS. I don't see the other conferences ever agreeing to that garbage.

Substitute Missouri for Marshall and that's a damn fine league. At this point, I personally think Mizzou will NOT have an invite to the B10.

FYA(rticle)

That would be okay as well. I was figuring that MU would land else where, since they are a traditional national championship type power in football year in and out.

jfc.

oh, this is rich.

http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2010/6/...-join-sec-west

i didn't know the "SEC West" is a conference.

What I don't understand is why anyone would want Missouri. They haven't been to a major bowl game in forty years, never been to a final four, no real baseball success, their women's teams stink. I just don't see the appeal. No disrespect intended to you Tigers.

LMAO

Not yet it aint. LOL why are you posting wild speculation?

Come on now. Didn't I see their softball team in the CWS.

if you can't figure out the economics, then there's nothing i can help you with.

Kevin Kuglar(sp?) is on 810 now. He said the deal with Missouri to the Big10 is pretty much done also.
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