Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16248917)

I don’t think we need to pigeon-hole ourselves into double-dipping DL early. The FA class is still very good and it’s only gonna get cheaper after the draft.

Melvin Ingram
Carlos Dunlap
Jadeveon Clowney
Jerry Hughes
Akeim Hicks

Just pick the best players

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16248776)

I guess what I'm saying is that I think some of you are looking at this all wrong.

The 'wait for Mahomes and Hill to do something amazing' offense took us all the way ONCE in four tries.

I think a lot of you are really worried because that's no longer the plan. I guess I'm saying-and I think Veach and Reid are saying-ok, well that's just not sustainable, and you can't depend on that to win Super Bowls. Let's try something else here.

You can keep trying to prop it up; but the bill eventually comes due. We could have tried to maybe one more year, at most two, but then you'd have to tear it all down anyway. And the rest of the division and the AFC in general were all building their teams to stop it. Like SPECIFICALLY, the road to the SB goes through Arrowhead, so Mahomes to Hill was living rent free in every GM's head. Gotta match that firepower, gotta build a defensive scheme to stop it.

So **** it. Let's do something else now that everyone else is on that track. Stop THIS instead.

It's going to be okay.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16248862)

Trading.
Hill.
Is.
Not.
Free.
Agency.
Stop.
Saying.
That.
The.
Difference.
Matters.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16248876)

Yep...no comp pick for KC. Hopefully HB gets a multi-year contract..

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16248916)

Amen Brother

I have a 8 year old son. He is suddenly all about football. Its ****ing awesome man. But he keeps watching the highlights from the Texans Chiefs playoff game in 2020. Again, its awesome.

I've now watched that like 20 times in the past three weeks or something, and it dawned on me that in that game, which I think is the most important non-superbowl playoff game we have played in (tied with Buffalo this year) you know who was a non factor? Tyreek Hill.

Hill had 3 catches for 41 yard, 1 rush for 4 yards, and a bad fumble on a punt return inside the the Texans 10.

And yet the Chiefs scored 51. Mahomes threw for 300 plus yards and 5 TDs

This doom and gloom shit because Hill chose to leave is stupid. We still have the best QB in the world paired with the best TE to ever step on the field.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16248946)

Hill wasn't a non factor. He impacts the game literally the second he steps foot on grass.

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16248952)

I get that. Of course he's a factor, but his stat line in that game isn't impressive.

We will be just fine.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16248966)

And then since that game he has 812 yards and 5 touchdowns in 8 playoff games despite attracting by far the most attention of any WR in the playoffs.

You don't have to act like a Tyreek wasn't an elite playoff performer in order to be excited about the future.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16248975)

He was but not in the SB and not in the champ game. Part of that is on Mahomes and part on the offense going dead like it did in many games.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16249031)

I’d take a team full of good players instead of Tyreek. That includes early talent for defense and another WR.

Teams easily defended us bc it was just Tyreek and Kelce. Now we should have 4 receivers with ability, keeping our HOF TE and coach and the OL being top tier overall.

Keeping Tyreek would not have been easy on the defense. We used picks in a trade for years be it Patrick or Frank or Brown Jr. had a good 4 year run. Now we need picks too reload.

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 16248945)

KC gets another 3rd in 2023 for Ryan Poles.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16249390)

I was referring to losing Hill...Chiefs lost Ward, Hitchens, DRob, Honey Badger, Pringle, Sorensen, Reed...gained Ju-Ju, Valdes-Scantling, Justin Reid, Stallworth.

I would think this, at least, nets them one...

I had forgotten about the coaching compensation...good catch.

What's the cut-off FA date...so they dont count against the comp pick formula?

This could play a role in Veach not making any additional moves until after that....

So KC could be looking at three 3rd round picks, two 4ths and two 6ths...they could afford to sacrifice the 2023 1st rounder in a move up...not that I want them to. That's a lot of ammo next year too...

The further you get away from the shock of losing Hill...the more you realize how amazing the log-term compensation is. Five picks and saving $25-27 million per allocated to one source. Paying him would have caused problems down the road...and potentially stunted the progression of the team. Too top heavy...

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16249418)

That's a lot of strategy for a rigged game.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16249390)

Chiefs lost Ward, Hitchens, DRob, Honey Badger, Pringle, Sorensen, Reed...gained Ju-Ju, Valdes-Scantling, Justin Reid, Stallworth.

What's the cut-off FA date...so they don't count against the comp pick formula?