Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9769387)

You bet. When we traded Myers, we went balls deep. Too late now to start asking the bitch if she's got an STD.

At least with the Stanton trade, we'll get a little pleasure before we go sterile.

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9769070)

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9769259)

I would do it, and not think twice about it. I would probably try to see if I could get away with offering Orlando Calixte and another prospect instead of Mondesi, but that wouldn't be a stopping point.

Thing is, I'm not sure Ventura+Mondesi+Zimmer+Cuthbert would be enough. Stanton's value is, by all accounts, higher than that of Miguel Cabrera when the Marlins traded him, and that is a lesser package than what was given up for Cabrera.

It would leave the Royals pitching depth slim after the 2014 season, but you know what? Acquire Stanton, win some real games, and you might actually have a chance to re-sign James Shields after 2014.

Even without Ventura and Zimmer, the Royals' farm system would not be devoid of pitching talent.

Chris Dwyer
Danny Duffy
Miguel Almonte (who some think is equivalent to Zimmer, anyway)
Kyle Smith
Angel Baez
Bryan Brickhouse
Sean Manaea
John Lamb

And as for positional talent...

Jorge Bonifacio
Orlando Calixte
Hunter Dozier
Bubba Starling

That's probably STILL a top 1/2 farm system. And you don't have many needs at the MLB level until the 2015 season. 1B, LF, CF, RF, 4th OF, C, SS, all have clear options in place, as does DH. YOu're set in the bullpen for quite a while in terms of major pieces. 2B, 3B, and SP are your only potential questions.

Emptying out the farm system for young studs like Stanton with years of control remaining is not a bad thing, at all.

Gordon
Hosmer
Butler
Stanton

would be a pretty strong top 4 and create a LOT of runs. Stanton would make the Royals a legitimate contender in 2014, even if they can't bring back Ervin Santana (they'll have enough cash to bring in a quality SP, though). And if this team starts winning... and filling the ballpark... who knows what happens in terms of payroll?

2015 pitching staff would be the question. You're looking at...

1) VACANT (Unless you can extend Shields for a few seasons)
2) Danny Duffy (you hope)
3) Jeremy Guthrie (you hope he's slotted no higher than here)
4) FILLED BY a Pitching Prospect
5) Filled by a Pitching Prospect

Lot of question marks there. Best-case scenario would be Manaea getting healthy and zooming through the minors, because he has legitimate TOR ability. Almonte also has premium shelf ability, and Lamb did at one time (he has shown signs here and there of getting all the way back but hasn't done it yet). The rest of those guys are more back-end starters.

Stanton has transformational potential for this team. That's why the cost is so high and that's why so many teams will chase him. But if he were brought in and this was the 2014 lineup:

LF - Alex Gordon
1B - Eric Hosmer
DH - Billy Butler
RF - Mike Stanton
C - Sal Perez
2B - Kelly Johnson/other acquisition
CF - Cain
3B - Moustakas
SS - Escobar

You're talking about a real, legitimate, playoff-caliber lineup. They'd need to find a lefthanded stick at 2B that can legitimately hit 6, which makes Johnson a PERFECT fit. If moustakas doesn't show signs of life this year, you also need a solution there, which Johnson could be (insurance for suck from Moose). If Moustakas did show life, you're probably looking at him in the 6 hole as a beginning-of-year "plan."

Gordon and Stanton controlled through 2016
Hosmer, Cain and Moustakas through 2017
Butler through 2015
Perez and Escobar through 2019

You'd have Bonifacio and Calixte and Dozier probably knocking on the door in 2015.

Ultimately, it probably makes too much sense. ANd the Royals probably don't have enough NEAR-MLB talent to get it done.

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9772046)

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9772060)

Now Alex has quit on the team. He's got a slugging % of .229 (yeah, that's not a misprint) his last 130 AB. His slug is now down to his rookie year level, the year he struggled so badly remember? Alex isn't stealing any bases, his defensive metrics are way down, and his ISO is on pace to be the worst in his career.


His BABIP is still a stunning .345 so that's not it. He's not unlucky this year. He's just quit on the team with his BFF, BIlly Butler. Thanks guys for leading this team.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9772060)

Now Alex has quit on the team. He's got a slugging % of .229 (yeah, that's not a misprint) his last 130 AB. His slug is now down to his rookie year level, the year he struggled so badly remember? Alex isn't stealing any bases, his defensive metrics are way down, and his ISO is on pace to be the worst in his career.


His BABIP is still a stunning .345 so that's not it. He's not unlucky this year. He's just quit on the team with his BFF, BIlly Butler. Thanks guys for leading this team.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9772070)

You're leading this message board in reerunedness.

Congrats! :thumb:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9772104)

Right. Now, back to Alex. Why does he suck so badly, and why does his BFF suck so badly too? I mean we've beaten Hos & Moose to death (deservedly) but what about these two turds?


Dayton counted on them to produce, and they aren't. That's 19M of payroll with them. What's your explanation?

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9772104)

Right. Now, back to Alex. Why does he suck so badly, and why does his BFF suck so badly too? I mean we've beaten Hos & Moose to death (deservedly) but what about these two turds?


Dayton counted on them to produce, and they aren't. That's 19M of payroll with them. What's your explanation?

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9772178)

I think it's more that they're doing the bare minimum to get by. It's infectious, and it's a mentality that a Wal-Mart owner brings to any organization.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9772204)

They're pressing because the rest of the lineup sucks ass?

Nah, that couldn't be it. They've obviously quit on the team. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9772178)

I think it's more that they're doing the bare minimum to get by. It's infectious, and it's a mentality that a Wal-Mart owner brings to any organization. It may not start that way, but it gets there no matter how hard you try.
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