What the **** happened to this thread?

I know I've been handing out some neg reparations

jettio went full pete.

Man, I had no idea college aged white women posted on this board. I think that's cool.

Then you called everyone racist.

Funny how that kinda buried the lede for ya. That NEVER happens...

Joey's deal has some funny money in it as well, FYI. And yes, Jones is more valuable than Bosa but A) That's because Bosa hasn't played up to the contract (and the Chargers will acknowledge that) and B) Jones is STILL 5 years older than Bosa was when he signed his deal.

But be that as it may, Bosa's deal will - in all probability - end after this season. They'll cut him or heavily restructure him unless he goes off. And when that happens it'll have a 4-year outlay of $102 million (vs $85.5 over 4 for Jones). So $25.5 million/yr on a 4 year deal.

And more critically - Chris Jones signed his deal the same year Bosa signed his. What POSSIBLE grounds can he have for bitching about a deal NOW that was signed at the same time as the deal he signed 3 years ago?

Joey Bosa arguments are dumb because they're essentially time-barred; he had his chance to make this argument in 2020 when he signed the deal he signed. TJ/JJ Watt and Nick Bosa arguments are dumb because those are better players than him.

And you're dumb...just because. I mean lord man, how long you gonna **** this chicken?

So, usually at this point we'd boot jettio, because he's too ****ing stupid to be here and the thread is all jettio now.

We have another CJ update thread though and everyone seems pretty willing to pile on.

So, if ya'll want us to do something, give me a thumbs up... if not, abstain or thumbs down.

(I personally don't really care given the 2nd thread exists and there's really nothing else to talk about or else I'd just do it. ... but it has gotten a bit extreme)

One defensive player has Mahomes. The other had Jimmy G and Brock Purdy. You might want to rewatch SB 54 before talking about how Fisher or Wylie "handled" a rookie Bosa. Bosa is a stud, it's just a shame you can' see it due to some irrational hate for him.

Heh, yeah I was debating giving him the boot a few times during this thread. (Douch Bag Rule) I figured I would give him enough posts/rope, to hang himself. Mission accomplished!



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My comment was about what the Chiefs should be willing to offer now.

I said that not extending Jones and not offering at least $27- 28 million AAV would not go over well with Chiefs defensive players, especially if Nick Bosa matches or passes Aaron Donald in AAV.

You can't have the Watts and the Bosas always getting all they ask for with no rings and expect that not to be questioned when comparable players are told to get lost.

The trash finally get taken out?

LOL WTF happened in here?

I clicked this hoping to see some optimistic tweets or some shit.

BWAHAHAHA

Either you are black and have some deep seated hatred for white people or you are a self loathing white person that uses the race card when you have a horrible take and can't defend it.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT in this thread! LMAO

Jones shared a video of him kissing his daughter. The wood in the background looked like the shitty stuff in the Chiefs outdated facility, but that's pure speculation.

The song he chose for the background was Pharrell's "Just a cloud away" which is all about the bad times being over.

Conspiracy theorists, go wild.


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Let it ride, man. A nice good, classic pile on right before the start of the season is like a cleanse to CP's soul.

Jettio has offered himself up as the sacrifice. Lets exorcise these demons one last time before the season begins.

But only because y'all fixing to rob the place at gunpoint, right?

We were so preoccupied with getting to 3k posts, we didn't stop to think if we should.

Having said that, what could he mean by this??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Legend never dies! [emoji1753][emoji1490] <a href="https://t.co/LEKPgcIG6N">https://t.co/LEKPgcIG6N</a></p>— Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1697262899616739446?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now Chris Jones is seeking an extension that begins when he's 30 years old.

Citing an extension that was signed by a player who was 25 when he signed it isn't relevant.

And by the way, through his age 29 season JJ Watt earned $72.5 million and made his 5th NFL First Team All Pro selection to go along 3 DPOY awards. 2 years later he had 5 sacks in 16 games and 4 years later he'd shifted positions and shifted roles on his way out of the league entirely. Age. Matters.

Meanwhile poor abused and mistreated fieldhand Chris Jones could play under his existing contract and despite having only one 1st team nod and only one time receiving VOTES for DPOY he will make $87 million through age 29.

Yeah - JJ Watt always getting what he wants because he's white and Chris Jones is just constantly being mistreated. Pay no attention to that 2nd highest base salary in the league for defensive players he's turning his nose up at.

Your arguments suck badly.

Hmm...,

You nailed it.

Hmm, so Nick Bosa and TJ Watt are exempted from your "trade every damn guy you have with only a year on his contract" policy?

You say cool for TJ Watt to "hold in" for the deal he wants and for Nick Bosa to hold out for whatever number is finally agreed to, but shit on Chris Jones.

How many times is this moron going to ignore that when Jones was in Bosa’s current position he got a top of the market deal without having it need to go this far into the season?

JFC, you have to be the dumbest mother****er alive. Did TJ Watt or Nick Bosa hold out when they had a 20 million base salary to play for? They were on their rookie deals.

Just do the world a ****ing favor and go jump off of a bridge.

Are you completely incapable of reading context? My point to O.City was that you CAN'T trade everyone with a year left on the deal, sweetie. Or did you believe I was suggesting we actually trade Patrick Mahomes?

As to the rest Nick Bosa and TJ Watt are/were on rookie deals and weren't under contract with a $28 million cap hold and the 2nd highest base salary in the game when they 'held in'. And I've already discussed the merits of their respective 'demands' vs. Jones in previous posts - both in terms of age, productivity and probabilities going forward. Several times and in a myriad of different iterations.

If you're gonna go through my posts looking for gotchyas, can you actually - I dunno - read them?

He's going to Jared's to get her something nice, in a week

Yes.

Chris Jones signed before training camp in 2020.

Nick Bosa is holding out for no.1 or no. 2 defensive player pay.

All the dorks in this thread say Chris Jones and his inexperienced agents are dopes because Jones is selfish and his agents do not have enough star clients to know what they are doing.

And then all the assholes say Nick Bosa and his agent with the star client list that includes Joe Burrow and Justin Jefferson are smart and that Nick Bosa has never missed any of games he missed and is so much more impactful than Chris Jones.

You guys are nuts, can't even get up the nerve to question Nick Bosa and his agent's tactics at all, at the same time badmouthing Chris Jones and his agents, and they are using the same tactics.

I see you’re still at it.

The difference is the CBA punishes the shit out of a holdout during your 2nd contract.

Bosa, who’s on his rookie deal, isn’t analogous.

I am not going to jump off a bridge without making sure you know that Nick Bosa's 5th year option salary for 2023 is $17,859,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-fran...ck-bosa-29037/

And Chris Jones 2023 salary is $19,500,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...s-jones-18985/


Your argument is not very persuasive.

Nick Bosa. Is 25. And entering the prime of his career. And looking to re-set the market. As he enters his prime. Which is when. A premier player. Should be able. to reset the market.

Slow enough for you?

What part of 'overplaying your hand' has been lost on you here? Chris Jones is going to be 30 when the extension starts. That's LEAVING his prime. You don't re-set the market on a player LEAVING his prime. I've said all along - pay him a little more than Williams or Lawrence even though I think it's likely they'll get you a better return than Jones over 4 years (they must be lighter skinned black guys, eh?). I never begrudged his decision to stay away UNTIL it was being reported that he was staying away because the Chiefs wouldn't meet his exorbitant demands. Tactics are one thing but to request $30 million is simply overplaying your hand badly. It's bad work by his agent.

And if Bosa is out there saying "well this is clearly what the market that was set this season suggests I should get but I won't sign unless I get a 20% premium over that..." then his agent is likewise doing a poor job.

Oh I bet he would be if he met up with Billay at the George Brett statue

Does anyone think the Bills made a good decision overpaying Miller? You over pay aging players and it’s just not going to work out.

That's pronounced 'an-AL-oh-gus', not 'anal-goose'

Why are you still comparing salaries of two different positions? I just don't get it.

You remember when Spags had Jones slide out to play Bosa and Watt's position? Yup he couldn't do it. Exactly the same would happen if Bosa or Watt was asked to play DT, they wouldn't be as effective.

Edge rushers:
Top 5 contracts average $25.4M

Defensive Tackles:
Top 5 contracts average $22.7M

On average the top 5 Edge rushers(yes this includes black players like Garrett and Mack) make about 15% more than DTs.

Should the top corner be getting paid $30M as well? Hell Stephon Gilmore won DPOTY a few years ago!!!!!! Did he demand to be the highest paid PLAYER on defense in the NFL? NOPE because thats not what corners get! Howard was a finalist just like Jones....Highest paid defensive player? NOPE because he is a corner!

Even Donald wasn't the highest paid defensive player in the NFL before his crazy contract because he is a DT!

Throw Jones out on the edge and let him pull his ears back and non-stop rush the passer and if he puts up the stats of the top DEs in the NFL, then sure give him top edge rusher money! But wait they tried and he couldn't!

Jones should get $24.5-$25M

Bosa should get $29-$30M

Thats what there positional value is! IF Veach pays more, he over paid. If 9ers pay more, they overpaid. Very simple to understand!

Exactly this. He is also coming off a DPOY season as well. If he were the same age as Jones and making the same demands that would be one thing. He's an elite player at an elite position working on contract #2.

Jones was elite last year and he is going to be 30 when his new deal kicks in. He will be at an age where his talents start to diminish and he wants to try and clean up on last huge payday at a position of lesser value. It's not so much as getting #2 DT money as it is getting it at a smidge below Donald's contract.

I would be genuinely curious what that number is without factoring in Donald's contract which is clear at this point to be an outlier.

Yup. I want Jones to stay for 2 years but not at 30 mil per and over 60 guaranteed. He's too old to get a jump like that.

$22.575 million; it's actually 24.7 million with Donald.

Most critically is that all 5 of those deals were signed within the last 4 months. THAT'S the market.

Now what I think his agent is likely leaning into is the exorbitant franchise tag number that Jones had next season. The guys who signed this year didn't have that. They had either 5th year option figures or they had a $22 million(ish) franchise tag number.

SOP for a lot of agents is to START with the franchise tag figure for the following year as essentially locked in place. With another $10 million in franchise tag numbers, I could see his agents saying "top of the non-Donald Market is $24 million; $10 extra million spread over 4 years is $2.5 million so $26.5 million is what we want...."

But that ignores the fact that Hargrave, a very similar player at the same age as Jones would be just hit the free agent market unencumbered and signed for $20 million/yr.

If I'm Veach I split the difference and say $25.25 million/yr is a puke point for me. It's fair by any definition. The market is as set as a market can get. The Donald contract was universally and summarily ignored by every team looking to get a defensive tackle signed/extended.

It ain't racism, Jettio - it's ****ing math.

The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
 

You know as well as I do that math has been accused of being…well…never mind.

LMAO

ROFL

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JC, this thread has become unreadable.

Shut up Whitey!;)

Lol, when did Koreans get lumped in with whiteys?

When you commit crimes, apply for educational grants and/or when you get assaulted by a 'real' minority (i.e. someone further down the socioeconomic hierarchy than you).

Sorry - that's just how it works. The hispanics have been dealing with this for years.

You'll get used to it.

Well you all do sell all sorts of beauty products that help make you look "whiter".

We do? Lol, never seen that, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Is Veach acting self entitled bc he agreed to a contract with Frank Clark and cut him before his contract was finished?

It was a lot of money and he agreed to it!

Really? Oh my, it's everywhere in practically every beauty shop in Korea (and there are a ton of them). I actually wondered why that was so common over there and found out that lighter skin implies a better life as traditionally well to do Koreans would not spend as much time outside, so their skin was lighter than the darker peasants.

Oh, I've heard of that. It's not just the lighter skin; being muscular is (or was) was also looked down upon as being "lower class." Lol.


Personally though, I don't frequent beauty salons, I don't even wear/buy cologne, unless it's a fancy event, like a wedding/funeral. Probably why I haven't seen any of that stuff.

Funny thing is I am the same way you are when it comes to that. They weren’t exactly beauty salons based on what I consider to be a beauty salon. They were just small stores that sell beauty products. I was stationed in Korea for a year about 5 or so years ago and couldn’t bring my family. Since I have a wife and two daughters, I would go into those stores and buy them all sorts of things and mail it back home. They loved it. I just remember unique things like goat milk cream, snail emulsion cream, cream with specks of real gold in it, black tea face wash etc….. I used to get my daughters who were much younger back then jars of hand cream shaped like animals and stuff. I think they still have the used jars.

I will say that those K-Pop guys seem to be all into that stuff as well as any of those Korean male models you saw in all the advertisements. Very light skinned and very make upped.

yeah. They actually have those little shops in every Asian supermarket now. Weird little jars of God-knows-what; I never looked too close, but I've seen them.

It's not the same thing though. That's part of the contract. The terms of the contract are what they are going in, the guaranteed and unguaranteed money is all spelled out. The player knows when they sign that they are not necessarily entitled to the unguaranteed money. Hell, half the time the money at the end of a contract is openly fake. Everybody knows he'll never see it, the player included.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did anyone else notice Chris Jones was holding a Seahawks hat last night? <a href="https://t.co/I7TmL7bxYn">pic.twitter.com/I7TmL7bxYn</a></p>&mdash; Baker Breadman (@NFLonBread) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLonBread/status/1700178062573216122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fake.

He is selfish and we should trade him. I have lost all respect for him.

/Travis Kelce jerk off GIF

The best proof of being right is having Bart Scott saying you wrong.

Of all people, Bart Scott?

Zoom in. That's not the Seahawk's logo. At all.

its a shop

it is the old SS logo from '76.

still, it looks like a shoop

Are the two jabronis shopped?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pat McAfee said Chris Jones attending last night’s game while watching his team “was very weird.”<br><br>He also suggested the Chiefs could trade Jones for offensive help before the trade deadline. <a href="https://t.co/nZ7ilU6nhk">pic.twitter.com/nZ7ilU6nhk</a></p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1700164623586951621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Trade him

Get rid of this mfer already. He's an embarrassment as far as I am concerned.

Sitting in the box with two “tough” looking agents was beyond cringe. I don’t think he can come back from this