It's not so much he didn't like being here. The Chiefs wanted him to take a paycut and he wouldn't. It's a pride thing to take a paycut from a different team, not your own. Totally get it from both sides.

Just post this from now on

Houston is just racking up the playoff wins since he left right??

Spags is a great teacher on top of schemer and it shows. I think this has helped just as much as scheme.:thumb:

Think there's any chance he gets a look as a head coach if our defense continues to improve?

Depends on how next year goes

Sounds logical to me. Patricia/Bluto was given a few laps as HC, and if the Chiefs score back-to-back Championships, I’d bet he’s for sure at least mentioned.

I think he definitely deserves another shot. I think he'd probably be a great HC in the right situation. I'd much rather he waited another couple years though, purely out of selfish reasons, but if he got an opportunity and he wanted to go, I could hardly blame him.

It has been reported that Houston was unwilling to take a pay cut without getting more guaranteed money in future seasons.

The Chiefs were not interested in giving him more guaranteed money after performing sub-par on that current contract, on the wrong side of 30, and he was definitely overpaid.

So he was cut in order for the Chiefs to save money.

Can't believe some of the guys in this thread who didn't like this hire. Such morons!

They hired him to stop Brady and New England

Time to play "Where are they now?"

Kris Richard
Steve Wilks
Rex Ryan

Not on this list: Steve Spagnuolo, the defensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs, who has helped the team go to back-to-back Super Bowls. He was hired over the previous three names mentioned.

It is a little odd that literally no one talks about Spags in terms of a possible HC shot. They barely give him credit for the job he's done with KC. Part of me is glad of that, but it does seem a little strange.

Kind of remember wanting Hewitt, Richard, or Venables.

He was a HC and was awful

That was nearly 10 years ago. You think he hasn't learned anything since then? That people might change over a decade? he ha a proven track record for taking defenses that were wallowing in the bottom tier and turning them into top tier units, so we know he can coach. His players seem to love him in KC, so he appears to be a player's coach. And now he has two SB rings.

How he fared in STL, after hiring Pat Shurmur, who left for CLE, and then was saddled with Josh McDaniels at OC, shouldn't really be a factor in 2021 and beyond.

I think Spags would probably be successful if given another head coaching opportunity with a decent QB situation. Fortunately I think the NFL has completely moved on.

It never really works like that

So owners are just really stupid? Kind of makes sense, I guess. Explains the Jets. And WAS until they finally hired Rivera.

Seriously a great hire.

You hated this hire

All three are currently out of the NFL.

Not sure about the other two but Im guessing Rex Ryan is licking cheese whiz off his wife's dirty feet.

Hindsight always 20/20.

Reid traded one friend for another. Good ol boy network wasnt something anyone wanted. We had seen enoug with Vermiel/Robinson, and then TWO historic playoff collapses of 28 and 18 point leads out of Reid/Sutton.

He made the right call, but most battered Chiefs fans were not loving this news.

Everybody seemed to have their own favorite candidates based on past performance as DCs. Or their success as position coaches. Including me, even though I was fine with the hire.

DCing is a hard job. In any season and at any time you can get totally and utterly ****ed. Injuries. Players who have off years. And let's also not forget just being a defensive coordinator for a team without much talent on it at all. Somebody's gotta do it. What else are you going to do? Not take a job you want?

Spags was on some shitty teams. Some shitty shitty shitty teams. And his defenses ended up being very shitty. And that's all people wanted to look at.

People thought every other DC out there could make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and that ain't necessarily so. Those DCs are very rare.

This is the Reid era in a nutshell.

Whether it was Spags, or Alex Smith, or even the hiring of Reid himself, we'd been through these things not just once but several times. The reactions here are completely understandable when you look at them in the context of everything we've been through with coaches, GM's, and QB's over the past 30 or so years.

The absolute worst take in this thread. Holy shit.

Also, it goes both ways.

You know what happened the last time Reid hired a coordinator who wasn't in his network of coaches? We got Bob Sutton.

Sutton had never once been a coach with Andy Reid. How or why Andy knew about him or selected him I have no idea. Liked his resume enough to take a chance on him, I guess.

Those choices don't always work out.

I assume its the big brain thing we keep hearing about. Supposedly in the offseason coordinators still pick suttons brain. Maybe hes rain man on paper and the film room but that just doesnt translate to the field without a prime EB and DJ to make adjustments in game.

The Seattle defensive scheme looks like it is losing a lot lately.

49ers made it work with 4 Star DL and a great mike but I have no idea why Jets hired Saleh to try to recreate that.

Needs to be on the hot seat

Hot seat my ass. one who sucks the penis needs fired tonight. Let him walk back to Kansas City to get his shit.

I think the players were to blame tonight. There were countless **** up’s by lots of our defenders. Not tiny **** ups but full blown WTF **** up’s

Meh, defense is easy. All you need is the best QB in the history of the game . . .

That way you might have a chance at the end of the game to maybe not lose!!

No passion on defense. The run defense is an absolute embarrassment

Chiefs should apologize to Sutton

We got jail raped.....multiple times....badly raped

Sounds like bad coaching to me.

Jeez. One loss and you guys are on suicide watch. Anyone saying Sutton over spags need to take a long walk off a short pier.

Relax. We got this.

If multiple players are making full blown WTF **** ups, how's that not on coaching?

Anyone mentioning Sutton is an idiot. That said, this one one of spags worst game plans and adjustments.

And the weeks before?

At this point comparing Sutton to Spagnuolo is like comparing herpes to AIDS. Nobody here wants either one.

Too much talent on defense for them to play this bad.

It's no secret that the Chiefs have had serious problems stopping the run since before Spagnuolo arrived. Mahomes has been so good that teams have quickly abandoned the run to play catch up (even Baltimore has done this at inexplicable moments in the past). He certainly hasn't fixed the run defense, and moving Jones more to an exclusive DE role may have reduced his effectiveness in a manner not unlike how Gunther once limited Derrick Thomas.

The defense does not lack for talent in back half. This isn't a 2002 type situation where you look across the roster and see very few players who would start on an even average defense.

While I've never been a fan of Spagnuolo, who I felt succeeded because he had three Pro Bowl pass rushers and another good one all at once, he's also faced likely two of the three best run offenses in the league so far. I think that they may be better off playing a less aggressive style of defense where the lineman work on maintaining better gap discipline so that they force teams to face the strength of the defense-the secondary.

True....Not at LB there isn't.

The run d will improve. It’s the pass rush I’m worried about

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This is ... not good

Jones is, apparently, our only real weapon up there

Honestly don’t expect much of Clark anymore… but Nnadi, Reed, Saunders and Wharton were all guilty as well

None of them stood out against the run, which is where their supposed strength lies… bunch of soft bitches

For some reason Nnadi gets alot of praise yet the run d has sucked the whole time he's been here.

Theres 15 more weeks the 2019 defense wasnt good til November. Calm down.

Run d is about the whole unit playing fundamentally sound.

They don’t do that

Couldn’t possibly agree more, I’m good and tired of hearing about what a rock he is

Baltimore can run on anybody, it's the poor tackling that gave them cheap yards on every possession that did them in. He'll, Clete helped us for once and put them in some tough down and distances with cheap calls and we still ****ed it up.

Nnadi is still nursing something. They have him on a pitch count.

Was good to see a Sutton game plan again. But that was enough. Hope Spags has time to maybe study some film of the other teams before we start the game from now on.

Spangunolo and the defensive staff have normally covered up for poor personnel.

Last night both failed.

I'm not worried about Spags.

Personnel is an issue and will always be lurking as we don't have a true elite DE or linebacker.

History of Spags repeats itself.

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Last night Ward completely blew his assignment. Like he forgot what he was even doing out there.

Jarran Reed got mauled over and over again.

Hitchens got blocked out of a running play by Duvernay. Yeah a 200lb lanky WR blocked his ass out of a running play for a big gain.

That wasn’t coaching. That was personnel being shit

Ready to move on from Spags. Letting them convert the two 2nd and 20’s and 8/8 in letting opponents score in red zone. Hopefully they bring in new blood and Clark don’t allow him to bring in a friend.

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Opponents are 8/8 vs the Chiefs in the red zone

MVP year for Mahomes coming right up, going to have no choice.

On pace to give up 64 touchdowns and 7600 yards of offense.

That shit is unreal.

He did It with the Saints.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/spor...outputType=amp

Spags will get it figured out.

He always has.

Well minus that one year on the saints......

No team fears any aspect of the defense. Coaching or players. The formula is smack them in the mouth and they wilt into lumps of goo. May seem about right at this point.

Last year KC correctly attacked the Baltimore offense and clogged the middle.

This year we sat around watching and trying to read the play.

"Wow, this is fast!"

It's like KC went into a time machine and arrived at the moment the Baltimore offense and Jackson first started terrorizing the NFL.

In the 2nd half, instead of adjusting and just using the game plan Spags used last year, we bunched up even tighter and let Baltimore outflank us play after play.

Throw in the piss poor effort of the players and we have nowhere to go but up.

Something is definitely wrong with the scheme this year.

I think Jones not being inside all the time is having a major impact.

Defense outside of Mathieu loafs " Because Mahomes" and only turns it on until the last 5 minutes in the 4th quarter. It didn't work this time.

That and his lack of experience with how to react as a DE. He really should be moving to DE on obvious passing downs because on running downs…he isn’t it.

And ****ing Clark is trash. Bring back Taco or find someone else.

If I was playing against the Chiefs I'd run the ball and run the ball and then to top it off, I'd run the ball. 4th down? Let's run the ball. Then I'd run the ball. Then when they got flustered and decided to send 10 players into the backfield on the snap, I'd play action pass it to my #2 TE who would surely be uncovered and watch him trot for an easy TD.

Ward passed off Brown to Mathieu who was sitting on his guy. Ward definitely ****ed that up.

I have no clue what Reed brings to this team because he isn’t as advertised.

Hitchens and Clark can be gone after this season.

Year three and a full offseason this year I didn’t think it would get this bad. Hopefully they figure it out.

This. They have created two new holes on running downs by moving one player.

We dont have the players. Hard to fear the coaching when you have zero players. Think about people pointing to bolton as the best LB we have.
Who is the best DB we have on the roster? Its absolutely crazy we have no DB's or LB's.

We have a good safety 32 , but I mean...ok... and a couple of good DLineman one of which we paid like 100 million for and should be better and not going to jail etc.

I dont think there is a coach in the league who could design a defense for zero LB's and Zero db's.

Right there with you. Exactly what I would do until they prove they could stop it.

Brendan Daly, DL coach, come on down....

Dude, no… that’s a terrible overreaction

He definitely needs to tweak the scheme to better utilize what we currently have, but right now it’s looking like we don’t have the talent to be truly dangerous no matter what he schemes up

And frankly, I believe we DO have what’s needed to at least be better than this vs the run… but the sad fact is our big men are playing like shit, the entire front seven

I know man. Sucks to have a defense look that bad though. It Looked something like a first year rookie d-coordinator would do at the beginning of a season. Not a defense three years in the same system. Even if we had come out that game with the win it would been a dirty feeling knowing we’d get crushed in the playoffs playing like that. Hopefully they figure it out.