Well, good case. The issue here is, the talent in SEC is far much more superior than it is in the Big XII. Instead of playing a 2-8 Kansas team, most likely you will be playing a 3-7 Vanderbilt team, or 4-6 Arkansas team.

Hell, if KSU did go to the SEC, I would be somewhat concerned about how they would actually fare against teams like those, to be truthful with you.

Either way, I'm not so sure if I want to move a team that has been recently in the middle pack to the top level of the Big XII to be in a middle pack to the bottom of a SEC.

KC is not on Mizzou's radar. I am okay with that. Love to hear KK and the like on the radio talking like Mizzou should give up millions of dollars, just to support KC. This is a ridiculous notion.

Cartierfor3 wins that thread.

I don't get it.

I honestly want the Big XII to work. **** the criminals in the $EC. **** the slow, boring as shit Big 10. **** 'em all, i'd rather stay put and enjoy the historic rivalries we've had with the old Big 8 members, and keep beating the shit out of Texas in every sport.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...c0baaa102dd982

Athletic directors meeting at SEC headquarters
By JOHN ZENOR, AP Sports Writer – 2 hours ago

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — SEC athletic directors and Commissioner Mike Slive met Wednesday to discuss the logistics of Texas A&M's entry as the 13th member even though No. 14 might soon be on its way.

The meeting comes a day after University of Missouri curators voted unanimously to consider leaving the Big 12 — likely to join the Southeastern Conference — instead of committing to the league for the long term. However, SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said the AD meeting at league headquarters was scheduled several weeks ago.

"The focus of the meeting is the integration of Texas A&M into the Southeastern Conference," Bloom said, adding that the majority of the day would be spent discussing scheduling with 13 teams.

Other athletic department staffers and the transition team formed after Texas A&M's admission into the league also participated in the meeting in a conference room in the downtown Birmingham offices that was still ongoing Wednesday afternoon.

Slive has said he would prepare to go into next year as if there will be 13 teams, which would create unbalanced divisions. As for adding a 14th, he has emphasized that the SEC would be "strategic and thoughtful" in expansion, but shed little light otherwise on the league's plans.

SEC school administrators have indicated that adding a 14th school is likely, perhaps imminent.

South Carolina President Harris Pastides has said he doesn't "think 13 is a sustainable number, but I think 14 is." He added that he doesn't advocate growing to a 16-team league.

Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart has said the SEC will expand again but that members need to be deliberate in taking that next step.

The vote by Missouri curators makes the Tigers a leading contender.

The Big 12 said Monday that presidents and chancellors of the remaining nine members — including Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton — have agreed to equal revenue sharing and to seek approval from each university to hand over the most lucrative television rights to the conference for six years.

Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

I want it too, but that is not realistic. It makes me legitimately sad.

Because in the end the conference most likely will not survive thanks to Texas.

Why waste time here when you can go ahead and get established in a real BCS conference?

Mizzou: Gone
Nebraska: Gone
Colorado: Gone

Oklahoma: One foot out the door
Oklahoma State: One foot out the door

It's you, Kansas, Iowa State, and a bunch of Texas schools. Hooray for tradition.

I listened to his monologue, nothing more. You know what Keitzman sounded like? The fat bridesmaid that drunkenly laments at the end of the night why she can't get anyone to date her. It was pathetically embarrassing. My personal favorite part was where he was hyping up Mike DeArmond's quotes from St. John's show (GOLD), only to say after he played them that he didn't want to get too deep into what he said. I was almost embarrassed for him.

Well spoken. Try and make Wickedson see the light, would you?

sptwri Mike DeArmond
Charles Bloom of the SEC just emailed that there will be no statement today out of the Southeastern Conference on the Missouri situation.

It's too bad we won't get ****ed out of the Orange Bowl because the conference doesn't care enough about the integrity of the process to stand up for it's members. /wipes tear

Funny thing to say about a school your team hasn't defeated three years in a row in over 20 years.

Especially factoring in when said team has done it to yours twice in that time span.

"cupcake"

Well, pucker up, buttercup, because it'll happen this November.

And that's "KUpcake." God your spelling sucks. LMAO

KK: "The Big XII will be more stable than the SEC."

You can't make this shit up.

"all" = "the one" :rolleyes:

Oh, I'm envious... I love SEC football, and it would be awesome if KU had a good enough football program to join that level of competition.

That would be a dangerous cupcake... just like we've both said, it's KU's SB. I don't know why MU would want to risk losing an OOC rivalry game.

Good for KU to actually get up for a game now and again. Take that fire and use it against the Oklahoma and Texas teams now.

No kidding. The SEC does not require schools to sign over rights, because the don't need too.

Good lord. Boeger needs to rush in and unplug his mic.

What's sad is how the original Big 8 schools bowed to TX and set the wheels in motion for this thing to blow the **** up. Too bad there wasn't more effective leadership when the league came to fruition.

Get up for a game now and again? You make it sound like it was some kind of challenge to beat MU in the past years. LMAO

MU's program has been on a a slow upswing since Pinkel took over, but don't act like it's some kind of a powerhouse program.

If there was a way to turn back the clock and never create the BIG XII, and just leave the Big 8 as it was, I would be totally for it. Letting Texas schools in destroyed it.

Did you actually read his post?

+1 rep for Jack Harry

Midnight practice?

Whose post? Wickeson's? Yes, I read it.

KK turns a blind eye to everything that has happened in the last 18 months. Jack reminds him that last summer, post-Nebraska/Colorado, we were "safe for another ten years."

Oops.

Is he using his old guy voive to talk KK down off the ledge, or did he just tell him to jump?

Excellent.

And he has absolutely no clue about the contracts and is just dealing in crazy hypotheticals.

58,300/71,000 = 82%

You really are a dipshit.

Missouri has been getting ****ing killed for the past half hour on Paul Finebaum's show.

As far as MU's chances in the SEC... by my quick count, MU is 1-5 in the past few years against top 15 teams. It's not just about trying to compete with LSU and Alabama, MU will be going from ~2 games/season against top competition to possibly playing 2 or 3 top 15 teams in a month (Florida is currently in the process of playing 3 in a row).

They'll be playing KU's cupcakes, then IMO, hoping for better than 3-5/4-4 seasons (or however many games you'll be playing) in the SEC. And that's not to say things can't change and MU won't ever be good in the SEC (South Carolina, for example).

He kills everyone.

Last year he said Arkansas and South Carolina should be kicked out of the SEC, and then Arky went to the Sugar Bowl and SC won the East Division.

He is a shock jock just like KK.

KK thinks Auburn, Bama, Florida, LSU and then teams like UofA/SCAR/OLE are inferior to OU and UT?

In fairness - even the hardcore SEC fans tend to think that people that hang on Finebaum's words are pretty much dense as a bag of hammers.

Finebaum's just a contrarian prick. I'm not real torn up about the fact that he doesn't like us.

The picture of your stadium on opening day genius.

:facepalm:

LMAO. This is going to be more stable than there!!! Forget everything that you've seen and heard!! Three imaginary teams have left, and there will be no more!!!

I know that full well. People drive around Tuscaloosa listening to Finebaum's 'Bama homer ass. I can't escape him.

It's more the callers that have been hilariously anti-Mizzou that I'm laughing about. Sample quote: "do they even have music in Missouri?" It's absurd.

What about the post?

That one of your fans thinks KU is now a cupcake because you've had a coach in place for a decade and you've beaten KU twice in a row?

Oh damn, time to surrender the state. MU won, it's over fellas!

You're really this stupid, eh?

Opening day attendence: 58,000
Memorial Stadium capacity: 71,000

I.E. a verified 80% capacity and your claims that the number was inflated are, once again, full of shit.

I didn't figure I needed to spell it out for you. Guess I was wrong.

"We don't like you anymore; we want to leave."

No, Kevin. The lights flipped on at 2:00 am, and Texas doesn't look very appealing in non-bar lighting.

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No, the part where we haven't beaten you 3 years in a row since waybackwhen. But I think you got my point before this post.

Jack Harry is gonna punch KK in the mouth.

KK has zero clue on the TV contracts and is now just going with his assumption the Big 12 makes the same as the SEC.

Funny, I don't see the Big XII playing every Saturday on CBS. Where does this magical money come from? I must find its source!

Oh you were talking announced attendance?

lol

we don't need to go there I suppose.

I see with my eyes. And my eyes don't see 80%.

But again, I have no problem with the crowd. It's actually pretty good.

KK: 'they could go 0-12 in football"

JH: "well....they're not going to go 0-12, I can guarantee you that"

KK. "didn't say they would...but they 'could'"

jfc.

KKs statement that the Big 12 with a 13 year rights grant is more stable than the SEC is completely offbase. How he can even think that is beyond belief. He is really reaching today. He is delusional.

Just for the record, I think if Mizzou leaves, it will indeed suck for the KC Metro area. It will also suck to not see the old games played on a regular basis any longer, but I will definitely look forward to forging new rivalries, if indeed this does happen.

That's because you don't realize how a thriving student section actually works.

See all the lunatics piled into the center there? They're actually supposed to be spread out a hell of a lot thinner than that, but the crowd tends to pile into the centers and on top of itself.

And announced attendance is generally reliable (as opposed to paid attendance).

But hey, keep on fighting the good fight, beaker.

Exactly, this is what I tried to say about 100 posts ago, with less words.

What are the actual contract numbers? What would MU make in the new, stable Big12 with the FOX contract compared to what they stand to make should they go to the SEC?

Yea, sure looked like that on TV.

speaking of TV:

3rd tier $$ for Jayhawk TV,

Kansas-Texas Football Game Set For 6 p.m.

KU-UT game will be televised on the Jayhawk Television Network.

Oct. 5, 2011

LAWRENCE, Kan. - Kansas and Texas will kick off at 6 p.m., on Saturday, Oct. 29, at Darryl K. Royal Stadium in Austin, Texas, it was announced Wednesday. The game will be broadcast live on both the Longhorn Network and the Jayhawk Television Network.

The game will air in High Definition on the following Jayhawk Television Network (JTN) over-the-air stations in Kansas City and throughout the state of Kansas:

KSMO 62 - Kansas City
WIBW 13 (CBS) - Topeka
KSAS 24 (Fox) - Wichita
KAAS-TV (Fox) - Salina
KOCW-TV (Fox) - Great Bend
KSAS-TV (Fox) - Dodge City
KAAS-TV (Fox) - Garden City

The Jayhawk Network will supplement The Longhorn Network's feed of the game with JTN announcers (to be determined), graphics and cameras. It is JTN's first-ever statewide football telecast; the game will appear on the Longhorn Television Network in Texas and elsewhere around the country.

The telecast agreement is consistent with the process approved by the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors. ABC maintains its "first-selection" rights to games on Oct. 29; this agreement between the Jayhawk and Longhorn Networks assures that the other four Big 12 Conference games that day will be televised as well.

As it has for many years, the Jayhawk Television Network will also televise five men's basketball games throughout the state of Kansas. The basketball and football games represent some of the more than 200 events that will air on the various platforms (over-the-air, cable and All-Access) of the Jayhawk Television Network during the 2011-12 academic year. Most will appear on Kansas Athletics' AT&T Jayhawk All-Access, which is available via kuathletics.com.

Fans who subscribe to AT&T All-Access can watch Late Night in the Phog, the annual tipoff of basketball practice, scheduled for Friday, Oct. 14. Subscribers can also watch:

• KU's two men's basketball exhibition contests
• Football Coach Turner Gill's post-game press conferences after home games
• Gill's weekly press conferences
• Football, men's basketball and women's basketball coaches' weekly television shows
• Home women's basketball games
• The Kansas Relays and other special events, including postgame interviews in many of Kansas' 18 varsity sports.


Fans who subscribe may also listen to:
• The complete radio broadcasts of KU football and men's basketball contests, including pre- and post-game shows and post-game interviews with the coaches
• Men's basketball coach Bill Self's weekly press conferences
• Weekly Hawk Talk radio shows with Turner Gill, Bill Self and women's basketball coach Bonnie Henrickson, and
• Rock Chalk Sports Talk, a weekly hour-long radio show highlighting Kansas Athletics.

In addition, KU fans can watch home volleyball matches and baseball games free of charge. Kansas fans can subscribe to Jayhawk All-Access by going to www.kuathletics.com and clicking on the AT&T Jayhawk All-Access button on the right. Jayhawk All-Access subscriptions are only $9.95 per month or $79.95 per year.

Okay, so why is that relevant?

LMAO

KU could win the rest of their games this year!! PBJ








Well, they 'could'...

SEC teams made $18.5MM in tier 1 and 2 football revenue last year, and the Big 12 will make around $14MM with the new deal.

Of course this assumes that the SEC only gets equal payouts for A&M and Mizzou instead of renegotiating the entire contracts like Slive has said they have the legal power to do.

KK: (something to the effect) "there is no dirtier, cheating conference than the SEC"

lol. yeah...no other conferences cheat. Everyone is squeeky clean except the SEC.

The SEC has herpes.

I cracked up when I heard that.

That's a big difference if those numbers are correct. Don't see why MU's brass even needed the discussion.

I cannot believe Kietzman is having a meltdown of this type.

A poll? It's not a ****ing political primary.

Well they had to evaluate how their move would potentially cripple the entire economy of the Midwest.

No kidding, some fans aren't used to being winners, it is new to them and they don't know how to handle it.

I predict a big dose of humility is on the way.

LMAO

You think the entire economy of the Midwest revolves around intercollegiate sports?

He's making fun of KK.

I can. He bleeds purple, and KSU is in a very precarious place should the Big XII dissolve.

Because obvious move has never been obvious for Mizzou.

I would also point out that the emptiest section of that stadium setup is the area that is part of the 5,000 allotment that is reserved for visiting fans/open seating each week. And yes, as someone pointed out, when you have a student section that is strong, the students just outside it tend to crowd down further into the section.

Also, the 71k seating capacity includes 4000 or so "blanket room-only" seats on the North lawn. Actual "seated" capacity is a few seats over 67,000.

Attendance for teh Western Illinois was actually quite amazing. 60k plus for an FCS school. Much different than when I was in school...

Powerhouse? I agree. Not there. However only a handful of teams in the game have won 40 games in 40 years and even bigger talent is coming into Columbia. I think a lot of the confidence is based on the consistent nature of success and trying to be put in a position to have greater success. Kids that play at the University of Missouri are all over the NFL doing good work. They haven't been able to completely put the pieces together for one season but they remain in a position of success based on a program not this or that great player.

Oh my bad. LMAO Total fail on my part. I'm not a big fan of KK so I don't listen to him very much.

Sports radio sucks so hard. But I won't go on that rant here. Heh.

I was talking more about the past when Bowser brought up KU "getting up" for a challenge from time to time and managing to beat MU. It wasn't that big of a feat back then. You guys are obviously much better now compared to even as recently as when I went to school.

The estimated next Tier 1 TV contract for the Big XII with aTm and MU as part of the equation was expected to be in the $350 million range. That contract is going to be negotiated in three years, or so I've heard. Of course, that number will change without aTm and MU in the mix. If MU leaves and the Big XII adds BYU and TCU, or some combination of worthy additions it might not be far off.

The reason against 16-team leagues is dilution of TV money. The bottom 1/2 or 1/3 of the league is a drain on resources.

I'm pretty sure that the Jayhawks have won 40 games in 40 years... we average AT LEAST one win a year. :D

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...en-invite-most

Report: Missouri hopes to join SEC

ST. LOUIS -- The University of Missouri hopes to join the Southeastern Conference but would have preferred an offer from the Big Ten that never came, a school official told The Associated Press.

The person, who is familiar with the discussions involving conference affiliation, spoke Wednesday on condition of anonymity because the school has not commented publicly about its intentions.

Missouri hoped to join the Big Ten last year but the league instead chose Nebraska. The university official said the Big Ten remains Missouri's top choice but that conference "has no interest."

"That's what's left," the official said, referring to the SEC.

Missouri's seven voting curators agreed unanimously Tuesday night to give chancellor Brady Deaton authority to look elsewhere rather than immediately commit to the troubled Big 12 Conference.

Just one day earlier, Big 12 leaders -- including Deaton -- agreed to equally share the wealth from the conference's most lucrative television deals if members agree to lock those top-tier TV rights into the league for at least six years.

The agreement is subject to approval by university governing boards -- a step Missouri curators don't want to take until the school is able to "fully explore options for conference affiliation ... which best serve the interests of the University of Missouri," board chairman Warren Erdman told The Associated Press.

The Big 12 is down to 10 members and will lose Texas A&M to the SEC next year after the departures of Colorado to the Pac-12 and Nebraska to the Big Ten.

The SEC members' athletic directors and commissioner Mike Slive met Wednesday in Birmingham, Ala., to discuss the logistics of Texas A&M's arrival. A conference spokesman said the meeting was called several weeks ago.

A possible addition of Missouri was not on the agenda, a source with direct knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com's Andy Katz.

Slive has not ruled out further expansion, and Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart has said the SEC will eventually add members.

Mississippi State athletic director Scott Stricklin said Tuesday the conference is in a wait-and-see mode on further expansion.

"The commissioner has done such a great job of positioning us and we continue just to kind of look for his guidance and for him to lead us in whatever direction we decide on," Stricklin said. "When he says, 'Hey, here's an idea,' we're going to listen to him. Until then, I think we are all very comfortable with where we are at 13 for the time being."

But South Carolina president Harris Pastides has said he doesn't "think 13 is a sustainable number, but I think 14 is." He added that he doesn't advocate growing to a 16-team league.

Besides being a fresh blow to the Big 12, a Missouri departure would threaten its long-standing rivalry with neighboring Kansas, one of the oldest in college sports. Kansas men's basketball coach Bill Self told the Lawrence Journal-World that the border showdowns may not continue if Missouri bolts.

"I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I can't see us just taking it and forgetting," he told the newspaper.

Kansas athletic director Shannon Zenger was less forceful, appealing instead to the Tigers' sense of loyalty to the league.

"We believe the Midwest deserves a strong conference for student-athletes, fans and alumni, and it is our desire that Missouri will stay committed -- as Kansas is -- to the Big 12 Conference," he said.


Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

lol, was funny