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ToxSocks 04-12-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16243320)
I do agree with that. We need a guy that plays strong against an outside press. Even Pickens struggled to separate at times against a strong press corner.

I spent too much time watching more George Pickens last night.

I've spent more time watching him than any other player. I must've watched his "every target" videos at least twice now for both 2019 and 2020.

My main concern with him:

I thought in his Freshman year campaign he lost too many 50/50 balls. When the catches became contested, he didn't win nearly as often as you'd like.

In 2020, you could see improvements on that. He was winning more of those 50/50 balls than in his freshman year. He looks like he added some weight too, so that my have been part of it.

He had a couple minor mental drops. Not a big deal.

There were a pair of INT's that could've been avoided if Pickens positioned himself/played the ball better.

Watching him vs LSU's Stingley Jr. was real fun, but as you mentioned, Pickens struggled a bit when Stingley got physical. But Pickens won his share too, which was nice to see.

Ultimately i feel that with Pickens, even when he loses on those 50/50 balls, you can see the raw talent and athleticism is there. It just oozes off the screen to where some of those losses really could've been wins thanks to his pure size and catch radius. And he moves so damn well....

poolboy 04-12-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16243326)
Pfft debating which WR to take is pointless, Mahomes will make him look like a god book it. (Side eye Hardman)

you know, I used to think that but not sure anymore
I would now like a strong D and running game to go along

ToxSocks 04-12-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16243329)
Actually they say 53% of first round picks don't live up to their draft stock. So no matter where you're picking in the first round there is a high chance the player is going to be a disappointment. I mean Donald wasn't even a top 10 pick that year. So it truly is a gamble.

All I'm saying is it's hard to suck at corner in Spags system when you've shown Woolen's ability. He's a former WR so he has ball skills, instincts. On top of that he's generally going to be the fastest guy on the field. He's a very, very, rare athlete. You just don't see it.

I haven't looked at Woolen at all.

But give me the rare athlete freaks over the seasoned technician any day of the week. Just my preference.

ToxSocks 04-12-2022 04:24 PM

Pulled this from the draft forum:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Career drop rates<br><br>George Pickens: 2.1%<br>Skyy Moore: 3.3%<br><br>Chris Olave: 4.7%<br>Jahan Dotson: 5.1%<br>Drake London: 5.7<br><br>Alec Pierce: 6.4%<br>Garrett Wilson: 6.8%<br>Justyn Ross: 7.1%<br>Treylon Burks: 7.4%<br>Jameson Williams: 7.7%<br>Jalen Tolbert: 8.4%<br><br>Christian Watson: 12.7% <a href="https://t.co/QH1qlhHq2L">pic.twitter.com/QH1qlhHq2L</a></p>&mdash; Ben Linsey (@PFF_Linsey) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Linsey/status/1512079564431761412?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 04-12-2022 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16243309)
Apparently i deleted my post, but i'd honestly rather pass on a WR in the 1st if Dotson is the option.

I probably would as well, but I won’t be upset with a Dotson selection either.

ThyKingdomCome15 04-12-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16243335)
I spent too much time watching more George Pickens last night.

I've spent more time watching him than any other player. I must've watched his "every target" videos at least twice now for both 2019 and 2020.

My main concern with him:

I thought in his Freshman year campaign he lost too many 50/50 balls. When the catches became contested, he didn't win nearly as often as you'd like.

In 2020, you could see improvements on that. He was winning more of those 50/50 balls than in his freshman year. He looks like he added some weight too, so that my have been part of it.

He had a couple minor mental drops. Not a big deal.

There were a pair of INT's that could've been avoided if Pickens positioned himself/played the ball better.

Watching him vs LSU's Stingley Jr. was real fun, but as you mentioned, Pickens struggled a bit when Stingley got physical. But Pickens won his share too, which was nice to see.

Ultimately i feel that with Pickens, even when he loses on those 50/50 balls, you can see the raw talent and athleticism is there. It just oozes off the screen to where some of those losses really could've been wins thanks to his pure size and catch radius. And he moves so damn well....

Yes, he relies heavily on simply being a great athlete. Had he been able to show growth as a route runner, separation off his cuts, he could have well been a top 10 WR. I think he'll go in the first round though even with the injury.

ThyKingdomCome15 04-12-2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16243343)
Pulled this from the draft forum:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Career drop rates<br><br>George Pickens: 2.1%<br>Skyy Moore: 3.3%<br><br>Chris Olave: 4.7%<br>Jahan Dotson: 5.1%<br>Drake London: 5.7<br><br>Alec Pierce: 6.4%<br>Garrett Wilson: 6.8%<br>Justyn Ross: 7.1%<br>Treylon Burks: 7.4%<br>Jameson Williams: 7.7%<br>Jalen Tolbert: 8.4%<br><br>Christian Watson: 12.7% <a href="https://t.co/QH1qlhHq2L">pic.twitter.com/QH1qlhHq2L</a></p>&mdash; Ben Linsey (@PFF_Linsey) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Linsey/status/1512079564431761412?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love that. I'd be thrilled with Woolen, Pickens, and Bonitto in the second.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-12-2022 04:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/sRgRZZR4fE">pic.twitter.com/sRgRZZR4fE</a></p>&mdash; Lexi (@lexiosborne) <a href="https://twitter.com/lexiosborne/status/1513998540552425477?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 04-12-2022 04:42 PM

Lol all that bitching about Hardman not working out with Pat was always silly.

Dante84 04-12-2022 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16243365)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/sRgRZZR4fE">pic.twitter.com/sRgRZZR4fE</a></p>&mdash; Lexi (@lexiosborne) <a href="https://twitter.com/lexiosborne/status/1513998540552425477?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Forgot we signed Corey Coleman ha

Coochie liquor 04-12-2022 04:58 PM

I think Hardman has a career year. New look offense is gonna have teams on their heels out of the gate.

Red Dawg 04-12-2022 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16243384)
I think Hardman has a career year. New look offense is gonna have teams on their heels out of the gate.

Will be less predictable. Mahomes force feeds Kelce still sometimes but now he can't force it to Hill. He will be a better QB for this.

Kiimo 04-12-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16242780)
No thanks.

Would not be happy with a DT in the 1st, and Jahan Dotson is one of my least favorite of the top WR's.

Dotson is getting top ten smoke

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-12-2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16243403)
Dotson is getting top ten smoke

Pickens would be a good get. Do not want Watson, overrated as hell. We need a Edge and WR with first round picks

staylor26 04-12-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16243403)
Dotson is getting top ten smoke

Lol no.


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