Every year it seems theres what, 12/13 good QB's in the league? And there's gonna be 4 from one draft? Not sure.
I didn't say all 4 will be just that 4 have the potential. That's still more than most drafts.
Mother****erJones
03-13-2018 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe
(Post 13466468)
The Bills, Dolphins, Cardinals, and Jets are going to be fighting to the death to trade up for these QB's. I'd be shocked if any of the top 4 QB's made it out of the top 10.
All 4 will go top 6
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 01:54 PM
QBs will go early cause nowadays you’ve gotta trade up for them. No sitting on your hands or your ****ed.
Mother****erJones
03-13-2018 02:09 PM
Breeland to the Panthers
Mecca
03-13-2018 02:10 PM
The Dolphins are likely the team that is left out...
I expect Cleveland, Jets and Buffalo to for sure grab QB's...the other spot is a tossup.
O.city
03-13-2018 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat
(Post 13466488)
I didn't say all 4 will be just that 4 have the potential. That's still more than most drafts.
Sure, but theres "potentially" that in every draft. 1 Maybe 2 will hit.
The Franchise
03-13-2018 02:18 PM
Jimmy Graham to the Packers.
Mecca
03-13-2018 02:20 PM
Then someone will draft Lamar Jackson which I think will be amusing but yea.
Mecca
03-13-2018 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 13466551)
Jimmy Graham to the Packers.
Cause what Green Bay needs...is more receivers, add him to their 3 WR's that make over 10 a year.
raybec 4
03-13-2018 02:23 PM
DRC to the Skins
BleedingRed
03-13-2018 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 13466551)
Jimmy Graham to the Packers.
Eh, I mean Donald Driver, Bennett, etc no TE's have had good stats there for a while.
Bewbies
03-13-2018 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca
(Post 13466556)
Cause what Green Bay needs...is more receivers, add him to their 3 WR's that make over 10 a year.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Packers are releasing WR Jordy Nelson, per source.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/973656544230498305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Mecca
03-13-2018 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bewbies
(Post 13466573)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Packers are releasing WR Jordy Nelson, per source.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/973656544230498305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Ah well ok then. He'll catch on somewhere, he still has value as a possession guy if he'll take a paycut.
locomoulds
03-13-2018 02:35 PM
Taylor Gabriel to the Bears. Nagy is loading up.
Mecca
03-13-2018 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by locomoulds
(Post 13466593)
Taylor Gabriel to the Bears. Nagy is loading up.
This is called trying to desperately see what Trubisky is.
Wonder if Kevin White has the other WR spot caused they signed a 1 and a slot...or if they'll give up on him.
ToxSocks
03-13-2018 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by locomoulds
(Post 13466593)
Taylor Gabriel to the Bears. Nagy is loading up.
I thought he'd be in interesting signing for the Chiefs. Interesting that Nagy took him.
RunKC
03-13-2018 02:55 PM
Breeland just got $8 mil avg from Carolina.
Get our DL and load up on secondary early in the draft
Man that is pretty impressive. Sheesh. Veach has not made 1 draft pick either
Plus Fuller - I love that he's going after young players that I can only assume they loved in their respective drafts and were unable to pick.
This team is getting young and talented - quickly.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 03:49 PM
Butler to Tennessee 5yrs/$61M
Sassy Squatch
03-13-2018 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19
(Post 13466738)
Butler to Tennessee 5yrs/$61M
Good. Let's get the CB market moving.
Hoover
03-13-2018 03:51 PM
Bears will once again be watchable.
I like rooting for Pederson and Nagy.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 03:51 PM
CB market is starting to get thin. Bet Veach is rolling with Fuller/Nelson/Amerson and draft someone on day 2.
Still think we sign DL.
TambaBerry
03-13-2018 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19
(Post 13466743)
CB market is starting to get thin. Bet Veach is rolling with Fuller/Nelson/Amerson and draft someone on day 2.
Still think we sign DL.
We'll get trumaine Johnson they're just working out the details
The Franchise
03-13-2018 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones
(Post 13466185)
The guy on twitter who nailed the Watkins deal, says KC is trying to sign Fuller to deal that’s structured so they can’t match
So this guy just posted these two tweets. Take it FWIW.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> nearly dealt Peters to SF for Arik Armstead and a 3rd. SF backed out. I would’ve much preferred that deal to the one we got.</p>— The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/973669985766789121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The idea on getting Kyle Fuller would require a front loaded or longer deal with higher guarantees to keep Bears from matching.</p>— The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/973670505906491392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 03:55 PM
The key to preventing them from matching for Fuller is high guarantees, I would think
carcosa
03-13-2018 03:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe
(Post 13465838)
Bill Barnwell is grading FA moves...
WR Sammy Watkins, Chiefs
Spoiler!
Grade: D+
The problem in evaluating Watkins is that every analysis starts with the reference point of 2014, when the Bills used two first-round picks and passed on Odell Beckham Jr. to move up and grab Watkins at No. 4 overall. Since then, Watkins has only shown flashes of the guy whose ceiling seemed to be Julio Jones-esque at Clemson. In 2015, Watkins finished the year by generating 679 yards and six touchdowns over the final six weeks of the year, which seemed to portend superstardom to come.
In April 2016, though, Watkins suffered a Jones fracture in his left foot, which required surgery. The Bills rushed him back onto the field, but after Watkins limped through two games, he underwent a second surgery, went back on injured reserve and missed half the year. The Bills traded him to the Rams before the 2017 season, and it's fair to wonder whether concerns about the foot made the Rams wonder whether a long-term deal was in their best interests.
Watkins was an absolute terror in the red zone and little more during his lone season in Los Angeles. He was thrown the ball nine times in the red zone and came away with seven touchdowns, which was second among wideouts behind Jarvis Landry. Nobody else came close to that touchdown rate, and while Watkins has the size and talent to excel in the red zone, he needed 19 targets to score five red zone touchdowns during his time in Buffalo.
The Jones fracture is going to end up dictating Watkins' long-term success, and wideouts haven't always been able to get past their foot issues. Julian Edelman and Julio Jones were both able to recover from a broken foot and return to their previous level of play. On the flip side, though, Hakeem Nicks suffered a Jones fracture after a breakout season in 2011 and never really returned to that level of form; after back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons at ages 22 and 23, Nicks was out of football by 27. Likewise, Dez Bryant hasn't looked the same since breaking his foot in 2015.
Watkins' chances of turning back into the guy who looked like a budding superstar at the end of 2015 will depend on that foot, and while the upside is still theoretically there, he comes with an enormous amount of risk. Teams employ doctors and have players take physicals for a reason, but the Chiefs are making an enormous bet by giving Watkins more money than Robinson, who has a less terrifying injury history and has been more productive than Watkins on a game-by-game basis. The Chiefs needed some help at wide receiver alongside Tyreek Hill, but with initial reports suggesting this is a three-year, $48 million deal with $30 million guaranteed, this seems like a team betting that their scouting report from four years ago was more accurate than what they've seen since.
WR Albert Wilson, Dolphins
Spoiler!
Grade: D+
Wilson's final game as a member of the Chiefs was comfortably his best as a pro. The 25-year-old averaged just 26 receiving yards per game before Week 17 of the 2017 season, but with Patrick Mahomes under center and both Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce on the sidelines, Wilson went off for 10 catches and 147 yards against the Broncos. It was the first time Wilson had produced a 100-yard game since his final season at Georgia State back in 2013.
Before that game, though, Wilson had struggled to emerge as the second wideout the Chiefs have sought behind Jeremy Maclin and then Hill. Take out screens, and there have been 108 wideouts who have been targeted 100 or more times since the start of 2014, when Wilson entered the lineup. Of those 108, Wilson is 101st in targets per routes run, 94th in receptions per routes run, and 98th in receiving yards per route run. Wilson has also dropped 4.6 percent of the passes thrown in his direction, worse than the league average of 3.6 percent over that timeframe.
The rosiest scenario for Wilson was that some team would see him as this year's Robert Woods, a wideout with solid blocking skills whose talents would play up in a better offense. Come on down, Miami Dolphins! Miami was already $3 million over the salary cap after trading Landry, but as part of the Dolphins' move to fix the team culture, they're going to cut Ndamukong Suh and use some of the savings to lock up Wilson on a three-year, $24 million deal that truly seems beyond any possible expectations of what Wilson might have been offered elsewhere.
Teams obviously can have positive or negative cultures, but I'm skeptical the Dolphins are going to turn it around by spending $8 million per year on a decent third wideout. Remember that Miami spent big last year in free agency to bring back their core and add players like Julius Thomas and Lawrence Timmons to fill out the weak spots in a playoff team. Virtually all of those moves were disasters. They traded Jay Ajayi in midseason under the pretense of fixing their team culture and subsequently went 2-7 while Ajayi went on to win the Super Bowl with the Eagles.
If you want to improve the team's culture, go nuts. There are plenty of veterans with impeccable practice habits and the will to win who would have helped improve things in Miami. Most of them don't cost $8 million per year. It also would have been nice to improve the team's culture by adding an offensive lineman, given that the Dolphins already have Kenny Stills and 2015 first-round pick DeVante Parker at wideout and desperately need to fix their line.
So this guy just posted these two tweets. Take it FWIW.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> nearly dealt Peters to SF for Arik Armstead and a 3rd. SF backed out. I would’ve much preferred that deal to the one we got.</p>— The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/973669985766789121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The idea on getting Kyle Fuller would require a front loaded or longer deal with higher guarantees to keep Bears from matching.</p>— The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/973670505906491392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I can't imagine that's the case there. If so man, i'd have rather had that.
staylor26
03-13-2018 03:59 PM
Why? Kendall Fuller is a much better football player than Arik Armstead.
Sassy Squatch
03-13-2018 03:59 PM
What? 2 different trades.
O.city
03-13-2018 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466756)
Why? Kendall Fuller is a much better football player than Arik Armstead.
Well, they could have had both?
Red Beans
03-13-2018 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466756)
Why? Kendall Fuller is a much better football player than Arik Armstead.
Those two playing for the Chiefs would no be mutually exclusive.
TambaBerry
03-13-2018 04:00 PM
Naw I wouldn't want armstead
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 04:00 PM
That twitter guy says that they aren’t in on Trumaine Johnson. Looks to me like Veach is looking strictly at young guys either in or entering their prime.
I’d like Fuller + a DL if it’s possible.
The Franchise
03-13-2018 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466756)
Why? Kendall Fuller is a much better football player than Arik Armstead.
Huh? That's the Peters trade. Not the Smith trade.
O.city
03-13-2018 04:00 PM
Theres still some real hole filling free agents out there for the CHiefs.
Give me a corner and a DL or a DL and a safety.
staylor26
03-13-2018 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466758)
Well, they could have had both?
Oh shit I just got the two trades mixed up ROFL
Yea, give me that deal all day
Mother****erJones
03-13-2018 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 13466748)
So this guy just posted these two tweets. Take it FWIW.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> nearly dealt Peters to SF for Arik Armstead and a 3rd. SF backed out. I would’ve much preferred that deal to the one we got.</p>— The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/973669985766789121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The idea on getting Kyle Fuller would require a front loaded or longer deal with higher guarantees to keep Bears from matching.</p>— The Gunslingiest (@RedMamba707) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedMamba707/status/973670505906491392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I’ll be curious to see if they can sign Fuller to an offer sheet
O.city
03-13-2018 04:01 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> are expected to sign OT Chris Hubbard to a 5-year deal worth $37.5M with nearly $18M guaranteed, source said. More help up front for Cleveland.</p>— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/973680404585762822?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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O.city
03-13-2018 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466766)
Oh shit I just got the two trades mixed up ROFL
Yea, give me that deal all day
Get your shit together man. Come on.
OnTheWarpath15
03-13-2018 04:02 PM
Crowell to NYJ.
staylor26
03-13-2018 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466770)
Get your shit together man. Come on.
I’m too ****ing wired after our moves today. I need a nap.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 04:03 PM
Browns sign OL Chris Hubbard to a 5yr/$37.5M deal. Anyone know who he is?
EDIT: Steelers former swing tackle.
BryanBusby
03-13-2018 04:03 PM
Outside of some scrub signings, I think we're pretty much done already.
Mother****erJones
03-13-2018 04:04 PM
KC could be waiting for Chicago to spend in FA also
O.city
03-13-2018 04:04 PM
Chiefs got Schwartz on a good deal I think after seeing the RT deals.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466780)
Chiefs got Schwartz on a good deal I think after seeing the RT deals.
Schwartz is one of the biggest FA bargains in the NFL right now
O.city
03-13-2018 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466773)
I’m too ****ing wired after our moves today. I need a nap.
I'm finally winding down so I'm catching up.
Was hoping to see more deals TBH>
The Franchise
03-13-2018 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mother****erJones
(Post 13466779)
KC could be waiting for Chicago to spend in FA also
They could be waiting a while. They started out with over $50 million.
O.city
03-13-2018 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19
(Post 13466781)
Schwartz is one of the biggest FA bargains in the NFL right now
Yeah.
Casey Heyward is the biggest IMO but Schwartz is up there.
staylor26
03-13-2018 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466784)
Yeah.
Casey Heyward is the biggest IMO but Schwartz is up there.
Heyward just got a nice extension. Good deal for the Chargers still though.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 04:08 PM
I hope we make another big move or two. Wilkerson would be cool. Fuller.
Call me a homer, I am, but the SB window has been busted wide open here. Offense has elite potential and the defense has talent to work with. By the time we get to August we might be true contenders, and that should continue through Patrick’s rookie deal I would think. All assuming that he’s the stud we believe him to be.
O.city
03-13-2018 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466786)
Heyward just got a nice extension
Yeah, he's still a freaking bargain for them. Wish we could have signed him when he went to SD.
staylor26
03-13-2018 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466789)
Yeah, he's still a freaking bargain for them. Wish we could have signed him when he went to SD.
Yup. We were interested too.
RunKC
03-13-2018 04:09 PM
We still need a NT. Don’t have one on the roster currently.
Mike Pennel would be awesome
O.city
03-13-2018 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466792)
Yup. We were interested too.
Yeah I thought they were. He's good.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 13466795)
We still need a NT. Don’t have one on the roster currently.
Mike Pennel would be awesome
Forgot about him. Bet he’s cheap
O.city
03-13-2018 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC
(Post 13466795)
We still need a NT. Don’t have one on the roster currently.
Mike Pennel would be awesome
Yeah, that's the next wave I'd imagine
But they may not value a true NT anymore.
pugsnotdrugs19
03-13-2018 04:12 PM
Not a peep on Sheldon Richardson or Poe so far.
Kiimo
03-13-2018 04:14 PM
Have we got official confirmation about the LA compensation for Peters
RunKC
03-13-2018 04:16 PM
I’m really surprised Nigel Bradham isn’t signed. Thought he’d be a big FA signing for someone
Mother****erJones
03-13-2018 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 13466783)
They could be waiting a while. They started out with over $50 million.
True but they signed Robinson, Burton, and Gabriel today.
OnTheWarpath15
03-13-2018 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi
(Post 13466803)
Have we got official confirmation about the LA compensation for Peters
Nothing is official until tomorrow at 3, right?
Chargem
03-13-2018 04:22 PM
I wouldn't be too surprised if they don't sign a FA CB, and just see if they won the lottery with Amerson and re-sign Mitchell as depth, draft a 3rd rounder and see if he can start next year.
Absolutely gotta add to the DL, but is it vet mins or a biggie?
Mother****erJones
03-13-2018 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15
(Post 13466813)
Nothing is official until tomorrow at 3, right?
Correct
O.city
03-13-2018 04:23 PM
Malcolm Butler got paid a lot. I doubt they're in on Fuller.
The Franchise
03-13-2018 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chargem
(Post 13466815)
I wouldn't be too surprised if they don't sign a FA CB, and just see if they won the lottery with Amerson and re-sign Mitchell as depth, draft a 3rd rounder and see if he can start next year.
Absolutely gotta add to the DL, but is it vet mins or a biggie?
This is what I thought as soon as they signed Amerson.
Fuller
Amerson
Nelson
Rookie
Re-sign Mitchell or just roll with someone like Lampkin.
staylor26
03-13-2018 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466819)
Malcolm Butler got paid a lot. I doubt they're in on Fuller.
I wouldn’t doubt that guy on Twitter after nailing it on Watkins
O.city
03-13-2018 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466823)
I wouldn’t doubt that guy on Twitter after nailing it on Watkins
Eh, quite a few people had the Watkins to KC thing down, but that's true. We'll see.
OnTheWarpath15
03-13-2018 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26
(Post 13466823)
I wouldn’t doubt that guy on Twitter after nailing it on Watkins
Gonna be a challenge considering the transition tag.
Wonder if the Bears would consider a trade? Then they get assets in return.
staylor26
03-13-2018 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city
(Post 13466825)
Eh, quite a few people had the Watkins to KC thing down, but that's true. We'll see.
Yea but he was dead on with the money.
Chargem
03-13-2018 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 13466822)
This is what I thought as soon as they signed Amerson.
Fuller
Amerson
Nelson
Rookie
Re-sign Mitchell or just roll with someone like Lampkin.
I don't hate it, especially if the rookie is a third rounder. McFadden?
The Franchise
03-13-2018 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15
(Post 13466831)
Gonna be a challenge considering the transition tag.
Wonder if the Bears would consider a trade? Then they get assets in return.
2nd round pick next year?
OnTheWarpath15
03-13-2018 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
(Post 13466839)
2nd round pick next year?
On the surface that seems reasonable, but without knowing how Watkins and Hitchens are structured, I'm not sure how the $12M tag fits.