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You'll look back on this as the "gool ol' days" when Marty Schottenheimer is announced as GM next week. :D |
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Marty is shit! |
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Wealth wasn't the only thing passed on to Clark. He observed Lamar's leadership for years and is a respected scholar of his own right.
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The fact that he let Carl go, is a good sign, IMO. The fact that he hasn't made a GM hire yet, doesn't lessen my opinion of him at all. |
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...ome&position=1
Defections might take a toll <!--//Byline box//--> By John Tomase / Patriots Beat | Tuesday, January 13, 2009 | http://www.bostonherald.com | <!--//Byline box end//--><!--//article Image//-->http://multimedia.heraldinteractive....8d5a7_josh.jpg Photo by Herald file <!--//article Image//--><!--//article//-->The question on the minds of Patriotsfans everywhere this morning is two-fold: Now what? And when will this end? Watching former offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels step off a private jet outside of Denver yesterday wearing an orange tie was jarring enough. But when coupled with the thought of Scott Pioli following him out the door, it feels more like a car wreck. The brain drain is on in Foxboro, where the pillaged Patriots must once again prove they can overcome the loss of some of Bill Belichick’s most valued lieutenants and remain competitive. But how much is too much? We might be in the process of finding out. Since the end of the 2004 season, the Patriots have lost Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini and now McDaniels, to name a few. Pioli, the team’s vice president of player personnel, remains in talks with the Kansas City Chiefs and could soon be eating at Arthur Bryant’s nightly. His presumed replacement, director of player personnel Nick Caserio, already is generating buzz as a future GM in his own right, particularly following the success of his predecessor Thomas Dimitroff in Atlanta. Caserio recently was mentioned by Browns owner Randy Lerner as a candidate for Cleveland’s GM opening. The Patriots worked a minor miracle this season when Matt Cassel replaced Tom Brady [stats] and led the team to 11 victories. They had no business expecting that type of production out of the career backup. At some point, it’s going to be too much to ask of the coaching staff, too. When Weis left, McDaniels stepped in and helped pilot a record-setting offense. When Crennel left, Mangini stepped up before becoming a coach of the year candidate with the Jets. He was replaced by Dean Pees, who led the defense of an 18-0 team in ’07. At some point, the replacements simply aren’t there. The top two candidates on the staff to become offensive coordinator appear to be tight ends coach Pete Mangurian and wide receivers coach Bill O’Brien. Even if one steps right in without missing a beat, there’s no guarantee their replacement will get the job done lower on the rung. At some point, the foundation cracks. Belichick obviously is the key figure in all of this, and some believe he’ll simply take control of the offense himself while breaking in a coordinator, much like he did with McDaniels in 2005. But it’s asking a lot of him to run the offense and assume a greater portion of Pioli’s responsibilities on the personnel side. You can’t wear that many hats without eventually tipping over. So what now? The first question is offensive coordinator. Former Cowboys, Broncos, Giants and Falcons coach Dan Reeves advocated on behalf of Mangurian. The Sirius Radio host employed Mangurian at his final three coaching stops, most recently as offensive coordinator with the 2003 Falcons. “Pete understands defenses and how to attack them,” Reeves said. “He knows what they’re trying to do. He’s really bright. He knows all phases of the game.” The 39-year-old O’Brien is considered an up-and-comer with a long history in the college game, but just two years of NFL experience. The Brown grad served as offensive coordinator at Georgia Tech and Duke before joining the Pats and won’t necessarily be held back by his lack of experience. Pees, after all, only had two years in the NFL as Pats linebackers coach before replacing Mangini. The bigger question is Pioli. While there have been whispers that things are heating up with the Chiefs, he’s still a member of the Patriots front office. If the Pats lose him, the very way they acquire players will be torn in two. Add it all together, and it’s tough to be a Patriots fan right now. On the field, the 2008 season was a success, but off it, the losses are mounting. It’s only fair to wonder how many more the Pats can withstand. |
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GAWD DAMNIT... I kno I kno... im sorry |
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/977828-p2.html
Chiefs go about their business as GM hunt goes on By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Whether it’s Scott Pioli or someone else, the next Chiefs general manager might have to wait a while before he’s in his new job. Interim president/general manager Denny Thum, who is assisting chairman Clark Hunt in the selection process, said Hunt hopes to hire a general manager before the Super Bowl, which is Feb. 1. Hunt has interviewed Pioli, New England’s vice president for player personnel, and others. Hunt could interview as many as 10 candidates before he’s finished. In the meantime, the Chiefs are going about business as usual. They recently signed several players, including quarterback Ingle Martin on Monday, to fill out the bottom of their roster. The Chiefs have started preparing for free-agency, which begins in late February, and the April draft. They will have the third pick, their highest selection since choosing Nebraska defensive end Neil Smith with the second choice in 1988. The uncertainty, which includes a most tenuous future for Herm Edwards and his coaching staff, makes these processes difficult. “That’s for sure,” Thum said. “As far as specific direction with free-agency and the draft, until we hire a general manager, what we’re trying to do is cover all the bases. “But our preparation hasn’t stopped. (Vice president) Bill Kuharich and his staff are getting ready for the draft. All of our scouts have left for the East-West practices and will go straight on to the Senior Bowl practices next week. (Pro personnel director) Ray Farmer is continuing to evaluate the waiver wire. Things are still going on. We’re moving forward.” Thum joined the Chiefs 25 years ago as an accountant. He eventually worked his way to executive vice president with responsibilities for most of the business functions, including management of the salary cap and negotiation of player contracts. He is the leading candidate to become Chiefs president, who will handle the business affairs. The general manager will oversee the football operation. No matter the general manager, Thum indicated the Chiefs will be more active this year in free-agency. They gutted their roster after last season, and the few free agents signed by the Chiefs were low-impact starters or backups. “We hope to continue to draft well,” Thum said. “But then you also hope to have some (veteran) players you can bring in that can fill specific roles and add a little more leadership on the football field. When you have a team as young as ours and you start looking around for answers on the field and everybody is about the same age as you, that makes it difficult.” Thum met recently with Kuharich, Farmer, Edwards and coordinators Chan Gailey and Gunther Cunningham to evaluate the roster. He said he was affected by the strong improvement of many of the rookies as the season progressed. He mentioned by name offensive lineman Branden Albert and cornerbacks Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr and Maurice Leggett — but not the Chiefs’ top draft pick, defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey. “A lot of young players made a lot of growth throughout the season,” he said. “If you look at the first part of the season to the second half of the season, offensively we did some things better. Defensively, we still had some issues, but there were certain players that stepped up and played better.” “It was very insightful. We still know there are areas we need to fill, but the coaching staff gave a good evaluation. It gives me a good feel as we start to look toward free-agency as far as areas of need. This is something that when the new GM is hired, I’ll be able to share with him.” Edwards and the assistant coaches have been in limbo since the season ended on Dec. 28 with a 16-6 loss to the Bengals in Cincinnati. Hunt said the Chiefs would decide whether to retain Edwards and the staff once the general manager is hired. Edwards is not free to make any staff changes, and the assistants were, at least until recently, not free to look for other jobs. But the Chiefs granted Houston’s request to interview secondary coach David Gibbs. It’s unclear whether the Gibbs interview represents a policy change that allows Chiefs coaches to look for other jobs or whether it’s a one-shot deal. Gibbs has ties to the Texans. He once worked in Denver with head coach Gary Kubiak. His father, Alex, is a Houston assistant coach. Either way, Edwards and the assistant coaches are still employed by the Chiefs. Asked whether being placed in such a situation for a prolonged period was fair to Edwards and the other coaches, Thum said, “I would hope when we hire the new general manager, we can go through the evaluation process as quickly as possible.” |
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Seriously? No offense Pats fans... but you haven't known what "tough" is for a long while. If Clark gets his man... I'll be sold. (And patient.) |
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Some interesting comments by Pats fans about Pioli coming to KC:
http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...kc_starti.html 11 comments so far...
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I was about to blast this...
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"CJ" sounds like the prototypical Boston sports fan.
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2007 Trade Notes
March 5: The Patriots acquired WR Wes Welker from the Miami Dolphins in exchange for a second-round selection in the 2007 NFL Draft (60th overall) and a seventh-round selection in the 2007 NFL Draft (238th overall). April 29: The Patriots acquired WR Randy Moss from the Oakland Raiders in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2007 NFL Draft (110th overall – CB John Bowie). Makes the surtain for a second rounder look bad... |
Yeah, Dayton Moore turned down the Red Sox and came to the Royals because he didn't want his kids to grow up in Boston.
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**** that. Picking a new head coach after February? That's so stupid. We're probably going to be looking for a GM who will just as soon keep Herm around for another year. Damn it |
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Dear ****ing GOD, if we hire a GM and Herm is still here or coaches next year.. Pioli or not, That GM isnt worth a ****ing shit or his weight in shit...
Lets hope we get a GM with a sack between his legs... We dont need another Carl Peterson... |
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I do want Herm gone, but i have always sai dhe will be here another year from the get go. |
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Nothing good can come from Herm being on the sidelines next year, it futher hurts the talent and youth on this team... No way Pioli, a successful VP, will come to KC and be forced to keep Herm... Pioli has been surround by success... There inst anything about Herm that remotely mentions success, unless his cock holster, which he runs freely, is considered successful. |
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We get it. Herm is a bad coach, and Carl made a lot of poor decisions that prevented us from moving foward as a successful franchise. That's the opinion shared by 90% of the members on this BB. Are you trying to prove a point or what? Because most people already ****ing get it. |
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HES A WINNAR ANDA FIGHTER AND I LIKE HIM DAMN IT |
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QBs that win by playing well are dime a dozen. Winning by virtue of your sheer ability to just ****ing win, that takes a man. a winning man. With each pick a winner throws, he just is taxing that well of raw winner deep in his gut all the more. |
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You know the winningest QB over the past three seasons with the Chiefs? Damon Huard. That guy clearly is the best QB on the roster because he knows how to win. He needs to be starting next season, because clearly Croyle and Thigpen with their poor records are less talented players. Huard gives us the best chance to win. Unless we trade for Matt Cassell. That guy knows how to win. He doesn't care that he's the backup behind a future HOF... he just went in and led the team to victories. i'mgonnacumi'mgonnacumi'mgonnacumi'mgonnacumi'mgonnacum |
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I want the GM in place so HIS scouts can go to the east west game. I don't want Kuharick and Herm's merry band of morons impacting this franchise another day. I'm going to make the assumption that if Kokonis and DeCosta were targets, they were already interviewed. Unless they are the guys, what is the sense to wait until after February 1st? |
Okay gang, as many of you know I still have friends at the highest level in the Chiefs organization and have this info to share with full confidence: Scott Pioli is the new GM. His announcement will come Thursday or Friday at the latest. Clark and Scott are working out the finer points of his contract tonight (money & control), but the deal is sealed. Also, Clark informed Herm Edwards and his coaching staff that they will be released. All assistants can reapply through Scott.
I only share this information because I'm no longer with the team and it's fun to share that a new day is dawning at Arrowhead. Scott Pioli will quickly move to clean out the front office and hire a new coach. The only info I have on the new coach is it will not be Kirk Ferentz from the Iowa Hawkeyes. Kirk coaches his son at Iowa and does not want to leave until his son graduates. Mike Shanahan has contacted Pioli, but I don't know any info beyond that. |
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Don't know if this is a repost:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/1...te-still-no-sc Morning Update (Still No Scott Pioli News Edition) Arrowhead_pride_tiny by Chris on Jan 13, 2009 6:19 AM CST in Article Updates Chiefs News * Even without a GM, the Kansas City Chiefs are still plugging along- "All of our scouts have left for the East-West practices and will go straight on to the Senior Bowl practices next week. (Pro personnel director) Ray Farmer is continuing to evaluate the waiver wire." * Arrowhead Addict is talking about coaching retreads in the NFL. * WPI puts together a long article about the Chiefs' Interim GM/President Denny Thum. * The only mock draft databases you need to know- Walter Football, Hail Redskins and NFL Mocks. Let's drop any Brian Orakpo being drafted by the Chiefs talk too. Not that there's been much of it. It's just that the guy has no business in the top five, let alone the top ten of this year's draft. * I found that clip about Demorrio Williams and harness racing that everyone was looking for. * Here's a really cool 1969 Super Bowl graphic for those looking for a cool screensaver or desktop background. * What helped the Chiefs win their first Super Bowl? Gatorade. AFC West News * The Denver Post catches us up with a time line of the Broncos' head coach search. * This will piss off Chiefs' fans eventually- New Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels will wear a hoodie on the sideline, ala Bill Belichick. * The Sports Guru continues to be a go-to-guy for the local Denver media on the Broncos' head coach hire (Skip to the 3:00 mark to see him). Awesome work Guru! I wish the KC media was as open and welcoming as Denver's. Other NFL News * The Dolphins won't make any moves at QB, aside from a possible (I stress possible) trade of QB John Beck. UC brought up Beck to the Chiefs back in August. * Real Clear Sports has the Top 10 Worst Super Bowl teams. Not winners but teams that made the big game. The 2000 Giants were the first to come to my mind. * The ESPN ombudsman takes the network to task on a couple of issues. We're still waiting on Scott Pioli news. And it's killing me. We'll have more coming up later today. The off season will start in force once we figure out who our new GM is. |
Could Hunt be playing the Pioli card to distract the media while he's aiming at something else
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Frustration mounts in KC and the midwest amoung Chiefs fans...film at 11.
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You really are mental. |
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do something and to an even greater degree do something. We were trapped in a situation you can barely imagine, let alone understand.Usage notes: used to emphasize the extreme character of something http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/let+alone" I think it's right... Could you fix it so it is right? I love grammar.... |
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Like "people are saying that he's a top 5 pick, but he shouldn't even be picked in the top 10!" That's how I read that sentence... |
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Why do the chiefs move so slow?
I don't understand? shouldn't it really take this long to hire a general manager? |
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Warning, potentially [patently?] offensive language [but he IS satirizing Marge Schott] <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QiqMdu2AZZ8&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QiqMdu2AZZ8&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> |
kendall gammon, on 810 just said "they're close"...but wouldn't explain or elaborate or verify..
so, there's that.... |
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ROFLROFLROFL |
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Second, you have no idea how sllllllloooooooooooowwwwwwww redneck southern accent sounds up here. It's brutal to listen to for those of us who move a little faster. :D |
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That's why DCS does his east-coast prowling in Manhattan. God's Megalopolis! |
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I find it interesting that Schwartz hasn't excepted the Lions offer right off the bat, because it seems like he's waiting if Pioli accepts the KC job so he can work in a more favorable situation. |
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Defections might take a toll Watching former offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels step off a private jet outside of Denver yesterday wearing an orange tie was jarring enough. But when coupled with the thought of Scott Pioli following him out the door, it feels more like a car wreck. It's Dungver; they've a douche-nozzle for a QB, who will karmic-douche his way to obscurity just like his Wonder-Twin in San Diego. Relax. Pioli, the team’s vice president of player personnel, remains in talks with the Kansas City Chiefs and could soon be eating at Arthur Bryant’s nightly. AB's isn't the only rib in town; we'll introduce him to many more plus all the Steak Houses. Your boy belongs to us now. Belichick obviously is the key figure in all of this, and some believe he’ll simply take control of the offense himself while breaking in a coordinator, much like he did with McDaniels in 2005. But it’s asking a lot of him to run the offense and assume a greater portion of Pioli’s responsibilities on the personnel side. You can’t wear that many hats without eventually tipping over. The Pats are about to become Carl Peterson's Chiefs; Groovy. The bigger question is Pioli. While there have been whispers that things are heating up with the Chiefs, he’s still a member of the Patriots front office. If the Pats lose him, the very way they acquire players will be torn in two. See above. |
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an announcement coming today, i can feel it
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