So, if at pick 31 these 4 players are available, who would you take?

Josh Simmons
Walter Nolen
Luther Burden III
Emeka Egbuka

I would pick Walter Nolen. However, at our 2nd pick Luther Burden III and
Emeka Egbuka will be gone. Thoughts?

Omarion Hampton will not make it past Denver at 20.

Damn, that’s tough.

I don’t think Egbuka is quite as explosive or high-ceiling as Burden, but he’s also just so damn smooth.

I think he’s Jeremy Maclin, honestly. He can be a legit X but also can move around and do some different things in the offense.

I’d take Egbuka. He’s problem free and his pedigree from that school is clean/great, and his upside is awesome, too. He’d be a great complement to both Rice and Worthy, too.

Rice: intermediate, short, YAC
Worthy: deep, intermediate, stretch horizontally and vertically
Egbuka: intermediate, short, deep, YAC, stretch horizontally and vertically.

I mean, that’s pretty much exactly what you want from WRs 1-3 in an Andy Reid offense, isn’t it?

But then … watch this

https://x.com/nfldraftscout/status/1...n-249084733%2F

Thanks! I thought it was a tough decision as well hence my asking your opinion. They are both very good :thumb:

They’re not taking burden with all the issues they’ve have with WRs off field I doubt

Burden has no off the field issues….

His off-field issues are pretty much bullshit.

“His girlfriend and mom are involved!” OK, whatever.

“He doesn’t practice hard!” He didn’t need to.

“He’s high-maintenance!” I mean, he’s a legit WR, brah. Which ones are not?

“He said quit against Alabama!” Did you watch the quality of play from Drew Pyne in that game? You wouldn’t try, either.

“He got his ass licked his entire career to stay!” Tell me you hate NIL and player agency without telling me you hate NIL and player agency.

Well...they have one WR who may miss some time this year due to suspension so I'm just not sure they're willing to get into that whole thing.

Maybe I'm off though.

Luther Burden literally had nothing off the field and all this originated from an anonymous source….

People are reaching to find something that just isn’t there.

I'm not necessarily advocating for Burden, as I think the Chiefs have other issues that need addressed at 31, but in the 2024 Draft he's a surefire Top 15 pick and likely Top 10, as I bet the Bears take him at #9 instead of Odunze.

And nothing about him changed between that draft and this draft, other than shit QB play this season at Mizzou.

Just sayin . . . . .

But history has shown, even guys with shit Qb play go early if they're worth that.

- Jihaad Campbell, LB, Alabama
- Grey Zabel, OL, NDSU

My guesses.

I love Jihaad, but wouldn't we have to trade up pretty significantly to get him? Like to the top 15?

I would be pretty surprised if they took a WR round 1

Really hard to pass on Luther Burden III if he's still there..

Dead ****ing off.

That's like saying they would never draft another WR with an ego because TO was a dick to Andy 20 years ago. Just lazy logic.

Well, they traded away the HOF WR that was a bit of an issue off field, now are having more issues.

Maybe it's just a WR thing you have to deal with, I dunno.

They've also spent a 1/2/2 on Wr's in consecutive drafts so I'm guessing they won't spend another 1 on one.

I think they will draft the highest rated guy on their board at 31, unless they can trade up to get a guy who is tumbling well past their assigned slot.

That could be Egbuka or Burden. They can use either of those guys moving forward, especially in 2026, and get value from them in 2025, too.

Because they couldn't afford to give him a record setting extension and were rewarded well for it.

Normally I'd agree that they wouldn't go WR again, but they aren't settled at the position and I'd rather add more there than overdraft some limp dick.

But there's really not a "whole thing" with Burden.

I've met the guy. He's brash as hell on the field...not really off of it. At least not as a general rule.

Short story -- my buddy is at his oldest kids basketball game. His youngest has Leukemia (doing very well) and so she's become something of a mascot for Mizzou athletics this year. My friend has gotten to know some of these guys fairly well and Drink is sitting behind him at the game.

Drink starts face-timing with Burden after he runs his 40. Luther was evidently happy with his time. Whatever the case may be, he just says "Hey man, wanna talk to my friend X (my buddy's daughter)?"

Drink hands her his phone and Burden spends 10+ minutes after running his 40 chatting with this bald, waterlogged 7 year old who's just grinning from ear to ear.

To NO public benefit. Nobody knows that shit. There was no reason for him to have done it. He just did because he was there.

Luther Burden is nothing resembling a bad dude. He might - MIGHT - have some practice habit concerns. But that guy put his body in harms way every single Saturday trying to corral scattershot passes from his erratic, noodle-armed QB. He watched his draft stock get drilled last season with a funky offense and bad QB play and didn't bitch (loudly) about it.

There's zero reason to hammer Burden's character and honestly it has gotten to the point that the Draft Industrial Complex is just pissing me off because they're doing so. It's not fair to him at all.

You can find a reason not to take any position if you mine deep enought.

"They just spent $30 million on a LT and drafted a long-term possibility in the 2nd last year"

"They've plowed so much money into DT and they need a nose to complement Jones more than a 1-gap guy; do you really want to take a 2-gap DT that high?"

Name a position on this team and I can give you a reason NOT to take one.

So just take the best talent. And there's absolutely a scenario where that guy is Burden.

Sure.

But it just rarely occurs they take another WR that high after doing it last year. I'm not against it, per say, but it is what it is.

People are also forgetting that our HOF TE who was our WR 1 after we traded Tyreek is on his farewell tour here.

We need offensive weapons even after scoring Rice and Worthy who both look like hits.

And Hollywood is on a 1 year deal and has been a cocktease most of his career.

Moreover, Burden can play WITH all three of those guys. If he's a WR4 in a move/gadget role while getting his feet under him to eventually move to a slot and/or challenge for the Z (and I think he can do that, personally), you're getting production from him as a rookie.

The other issues is that we're in a tough spot at WR for the remainder of the draft, IMO. I love Royals -- he won't be there at the back of 2, IMO; same with Jaylin Noel. I really like Kyle Williams and kinda don't think he'll be there at the back of 3.

Dike is awfully raw, as is Tory Horton. Really like the talent for both of them and would look at either in the 4th, but we aren't likely to get much from them this season.

The draft kinda falls funny for us at WR; moreso than at DL and OL, IMO. The guys I like feel like reaches where I feel we'd have to take them.

Meanwhile I don't think Burden would be a reach at all at 31. I don't think he'd be a guy we'd have to redshirt. I don't think taking him would prevent us from finding good talent in the trenches in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

From a holistic perspective, taking Burden at 31 makes the rest of the draft go a little smoother from what I've seen. Granted, it's all make-believe bullshit but that's just the feel I've had as draft season has gone along.

Taking an OT feels like it stifles us a bit in the 1st. DL still leaves us open, but the depth of talent and tiers fit our draft spots better in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, IMO.

Burden or even Egbuka make a TON of sense to me at 31.

I really think Burden might be the best value for us. It’s just not enough and this WR class drops pretty definitely for us after the first rd.

We had nothing last year outside of Worthy. It was terrible.

Again I love Kelce but his legs are done. Mentioned this play before but it’s still hilarious watching this bc he’s so damn slow now. He was definitely running a 5 second 40 here at best LMAO

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Compare it to Kelce just 3 years ago and it’s completely different now

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The first rd feels like the perfect time to improve the offense this year. Maybe that’s tackle. If not a guy like Burden would help us greatly. The value at DL and corner in late rd 1 to rd 2 is not a big disparity to me.

Either way we need more weapons at RB and receiver and I think they will make that a priority.

Well just putting a stopwatch on him from the 25 to the 15 (when he seems mostly unimpeded and has had a couple steps to get back to speed) I had him at a 1.33 split over those 10 yards.

That's a 5.3. With a bit of a running start.

Yiiiiiiiiiiikes.

If Burden is there at 31 I'd be very surprised. I would also be surprised if we traded up to go get him. We simply have more pressing needs, particularly nose LT edge rusher, corner, and RB. I guess I am less worried about whether Burden is lazy in practice but is he coachable? I haven't heard anything about this so I'd assume that's not an issue.

Staff loves him.

Now how much of that is forward facing? Who knows; public glazing to keep the talent in CoMo sort of thing.

But like I said, he was face-timing with Drink at the combine. Dude was gone -- out of the program at that point. And still chatting it up with the head coach back in Columbia.

I don't think there are coaching concerns with him at all.

But/for some of the most bizarre and inexplicable use patterns I've ever seen at Mizzou, he'd be a top 15 pick and in the running for WR1, IMO. He's a blue-chip talent. But we used him as a crutch for a mediocre QB so his game didn't develop a lick in his platform season (really, it regressed in some ways) and that's hurt him a bit in draft head circles.

I hope it pushes him down to us. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. He's Rice but better. Physical, fast, great hands, incredible body control. He's a first round talent all day.

I think they take a WR or DL. Maybe a DB. I don't see them taking a LT, much to the chagrin of many here.

Get me one out of this group of ten and I'll be pretty happy. They are in alphabetical order so no rankings. Some won't be available, some might be. Chiefs could trade up as well.

Jahdae Barron, CB Texas
Kelvin Blanks, OT Texas
Tyler Booker, G Alabama
Luther Burden, WR Missouri
Emeka Egbuka, WR Ohio State
Nick Emmanwori, S South Carolina
Omarion Hampton, RB North Carolina
Will Johnson, CB Michigan
Colston Loveland, TE Michigan
Walter Nolen, DT Mississippi

I'm gonna try to will Luther into existence.

Calling my shot -- at 31 the Chiefs select: Luther Burden, WR -- Missouri

Agreed that he is Rice, but better.

He can do all the things that Rice can do, but has more tricks in his bag. Fast enough to be a legit downfield threat, with the carrying speed to NOT get caught from behind.

I've said before, he's somewhere betwee 95 and 98 percent of Jamar Chase, in terms of physical abilities and skills (except I have seen Burden win a ton of routes without pushig off, and I'm not sure I can say the same about Jamar).

Seventh tackle.

Yeah - I don't like the Deebo comparisons but I don't think he has Chase's fluidity or top gear either.

To stick with Chiefs WR I'm gonna go with a fairly odd pairing:

Low end -- Steve Breaston
High end -- Sammy Watkins

If the "more of a pure slot, might struggle on the boundary" stuff comes to fruition (I don't see why it would) then you have Breaston. If he fits seamlessly into that gritty, physical X role that Andy seems to like, you have Watkins (with him and Rice presenting matchup issues being able to both work inside/outside).

Okay so people need to stop coveting Colston Loveland for the Chiefs.

Dude is going HIGH in the draft. Daniel Jeremiah just put him overall 7th in the draft OVER Cam Ward.

This guy is not falling to the Chiefs and definitely won't get past Harbaugh when the Chargers #1 need is TE


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...fl-draft-class

If Im Veach Im going running back this year and receiver next year.

Say we draft Burden at 31. Injuries aside, how much is he getting on the field this year? He stepping in and playing in front of Rice, Worthy, Hollywood or Juju? All guys who have been in the building for 2-3 years and have the trust of Reid/Mahomes?

Find a way to get Hampton or Henderson and they are splitting carries with Pacheco by week 5. Taking over as our primary back later in the year and into 2026.

Address a third pass catcher to roll with Rice/Worthy next year.

That doesn't make any sense though, this draft is deep at RB like crazy deep. We have two 3rds, they definitely take a RB with one of them I bet.

But that doesn't stop them from taking Burden if he's there in the first just because next year is a better receiver class.

Burden absolutely plays his rookie year. You think Juju or Hollywood is going to prevent that? If anything he plays a bunch of Rice's role when Rice is suspended

Rice is coming off an injury and has a looming suspension possible. Brown/Juju always seem to have injuries.

Our WR room looks fine on paper if healthy and available but you can never have too many good players there. If he can play and can contribute right away, I'm down with a WR in the first round. Not saying that would be my first choice but it's not terrible in foresight.

How many years in a row do we have to stand on our projected WR room as 'good enough' only to watch it collapse around us?

You can speculate injuries all day. Our RB room is already one of the worst in the NFL. What happens if Pacheco goes down early again? We rolling with another year older and another year less explosive Kareem Hunt as our lead back? Inviting defensive coordinators to pin their ears back and freaking tee off on Mahomes.

I dunno I guess the idea of our 1st round pick rolling in as the #5 receiver on the depth chart to start the year not an ideal use of a first round pick in terms of impact next year.

Good reminder that the leading WR in snap count the last 2 years is…Justin Watson.

Rashee is getting suspended. It’s most likely happening. Juju is washed, Kelce is washed.

Luther Burden might really be WR3 in the opener. If we can’t get a tackle, get playmakers. Get your depth/future on the DL and get your next playmaking RB.

Watching the offense the last 2 years has been painful to say the least. Let’s maybe try fixing that.

I'm answering your question but you aren't reading or at least acknowledging it.

You don't need to take a first round RB to fix that room. Hell I'd be totally fine with a fourth rounder.

But if you want Burden which I very much do you have to take him at 31 and even then he has to fall to you.

But as a KU fan I like Devin Neal but I'm reading up on so many backs that I would like even more. This draft is STACKED at RB.

Like what about this guy Raheim Sanders out of South Carolina?

or this guy Kaleb Johnson out of Iowa

There are so, so many good RBs in this draft. You don’t need to take one round 1 to fix things, or even round 2. Day 3 picks will do it.

Shoot, with the 3 7ths the Chiefs have you could take a receiving back sort in round 3/4 (Tuten, Etienne, Brashard Smith) and pick up a quality Pacheco replacement like Jarquez Hunter or Kyle Monangai in round 7.

I actually like the guys likely to be available at the end of round 2 the least. Hard pass on Johnson.

And in 2026 he'll be the #3 pass catcher on the team (WR or TE). Right now, even fully healthy, that's probably Travis Kelce.

This offense is going to have to evolve to life without TK and likely life without Hollywood Brown in extremely short order. The learning curve for WRs here, even when accelerated, is about 6-8 weeks.

We get into next season with three hugely talented young WRs with experience in this system and you're not gonna think to yourself "Man, we sure pissed away that pick on Burden..."

We already can't do bunch sets with Kelce as the single man anymore. We've gotta start to figure out a path forward. Burden is a HELL of an option in that regard.

Im not saying any line of thinking is right or wrong. Purely thinking out loud. I personally think Treyveon Henderson could become a Jahmyr Gibbs type player. Damn if that caliber of a player wouldnt be unreal in our backfield to pair with pass catchers Rice/Worthy/Hollywood/Kelce. Health permitting, if Henderson is a hit, that team should be playing for another SB.

From my stance, Id take another major swing at receiver in 2026. Thats just me. And to the Rashee Rice suspension folks, last I read he is more likely to face suspension in 2026 than 2025. If any suspension at all.
His legal stuff has been on hold from what Ive heard due to the case load in that jurisdiction.

I'm for it...but shit can we maybe develop another WR out of the mid or late rounds or something?

We have never hit on a WR after the 2nd round since DeMarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill in 2016.

How many have we drafted after the 2nd round since then?

Hint: not much more than that

Jehu Chesson and Cornell Powell.

So the Chiefs are batting around .500 drafting WRs after the 2nd round since 2016. What's the issue?

As those like myself to tell you when you were screaming that the Chiefs can't draft WRs, the problem has always been the amount of shots they've taken. It's not a coincidence that after taking a WR in the first 2 rounds 3 years in a row, they found their WR duo of the future.

I feel like we have to have this little conversation with folks every year, don't we?

You know how you draft well at positions? Hire smart people (we have) and then prioritize the position.

When we have done so in years past, it's paid immediate dividends. LB was rebuilt almost overnight. CB room went from a weakness under Sutton to arguably the best in the league within 3-4 seasons. WR room is on the same course.

I mean hell fellas, ****ing quarterback -- I'd say putting a little effort into that for the first time in decades worked out okay for us.

I figure next on the docket will be DL and OL. Specifically DT and OT. We've seen a slow move towards addressing OT that started with Morris and may be picking up greater steam this year and in the year(s) to come. But we still don't have nearly as much draft capital in that position as teams with OT situations no better than ours.

Funny how "Veach can't draft X" has been proven wrong every single time it's been uttered.

It's just a matter of scarce resources and priority. We'll see how they choose to prioritize that allocation of resources in a couple of days...

But when you have a scouting department that has done a really nice job with those middle round picks in the secondary and LB, wouldn't it be prudent to continue to use those picks on the areas you have a really good feel for?

And when that same department has now shown a solid eye (2 out of 3) for 1st and 2nd day WRs, might it not be wise to continue to take a similar approach?

If you get a starting caliber Nickel Corner or LBer in the 3rd or 4th round and your WR in the 1st or second...who cares that you didn't get the CB in the 2nd and the WR in the 1st?

When you find an approach that works, it would seem wise to ride it till it bucks ya.

So for me I'd continue to focus on WR and DL on days 1 and 2 due to our recent successes (and the way the talent falls) while using day 3 to focus on areas where we've had success finding players in the past -- IOL, LB and Secondary.

Perfectly said.

I saw that on the ESPN website they had the reporters from each NFL team choose the 1st round pick....

Teicher phoned it in and picked Simmons.

Lame....

Maybe.

It, as usual comes down to..."if you want really good players you're probably gonna have to draft em early".

I don't want us to stop using late picks on corners or DB's just because we are so good at it but a few WR's or dev tackles can't hurt moving forward.

Even Seth Keysor is on the Luther Burden train. It feels obvious at this point unless these guys feel confident in a LT that will be a legit possibility

I can't shake this scene from my head, for Thursday night:

1) The Chiefs trade up into the low-middle 20s
2) All the draft analysts/talking heads/Twitter explode talking about and speculating about them coming to get a T, probably Josh Simmons. Some will spew about Conerly, or Eirsery.
3) The pick will then be announced as either a DT or a WR
4) Everyone but Chiefsplanet denizens will be FLOORED

If we trade up to take Burden over Connerly or a DL, I’ll lose my mind.

The Athletic Football Podcast had us taking Tyler Booker at 31. I’d prefer that over trading up for Burden.

WR is not a position of need either for a functional starter or someone to be the top guy for the unit in a few years. DT is. DE is. OT is. RB is. Folks here might like Burden because he’s sexy and local, but it really doesn’t make sense if you believe Rice and Worthy will both be 1,000 yard guys.

That's just silly. Burden would be an incredibly worthwhile investment, especially considering Kelce is almost assuredly retiring after the end of the year, Brown is a brokedick, and Rice is facing an undetermined suspension and coming off a serious knee injury.

This draft needs to be a shift back to the old philosophy of the Mahomes era. Get the WR.
Hollywood hasn't played a full season simce 2021 and will be gone next year, Juju is washed and nothing but a blocker/scheme open guy and Rashee is coming off a knee injury and will likely be suspended.

A great WR room helps Kelce too. He doesn’t have to be “the guy” anymore and with so much talent at WR, defenses will be forced to play zone. Guess who is elite and finding open holes is zone coverage? Guess who can also be a decoy?

This draft is incredibly deep on the DL. You can get talent there in rds 2 & 3. Take the goddamn WR.

Help your generational QB bc he’s had utter shit there for 2 years now.

Get this team back to scoring 30 a game and it will also help the defense. They need to

By his logic, Seattle never should have drafted JSN.

Jesus, the Packers have thrown the kitchen sink at the position.

The Texans brought in Diggs when they already had Collins and Dell.

Cincinnati drafted Burton despite having Chase and Higgins.

Niners drafted Pearsall while having Deebo and Aiyuk.

Don't have time to go through the entire league, but you don't pass up a playmaker just because you think you have the position covered.

Hint: Plus we only have two WR under contract in 2026 and beyond.

You act like we'd be passing up a 1st round receiver for a bag of dicks. Smh. You realize there are other good players to draft at other positions, yes? You also realize there will be good receivers in the 2026 draft, no? Burden is a great freaking player. Ill be thrilled if they draft him. All I said was I think it would benefit THIS year's roster if we used our first rounder elsewhere. Rice, Worthy, Hollywood, Kelce is a top 5 WR1, WR2, WR3, TE combo in the league. Our running back room is downright horse shit! God help our intereior defensive line if CJ95 gets seriously injured as well.

Hint: We have freaking ZERO running backs under contract for 2026! Zero. Also, the teams you mentioned, Packers, Bengals, Texans, Niners how did their seasons go last year? Did the Packers have a dang good receiver bitching and moaning and disturbing the locker room because he wasnt getting the ball because they had too many receivers? WTF did Burton do for Bengals even WITH Higgins hurt much of the year? 4 freaking catches all year and didnt travel with the team late in year due to coach decision? That pick would have been better spent on defense! By all means though keep using valuable draft picks on receivers who cant get on the field. Is it entirely possible Burden's ego is a little hurt if he is stuck behind Rice/Worthy/Hollywood?

DITTO! :thumb:

Not this guy! I would welcome it! :thumb:

How many super bowls have ANY of those teams won while doing this?

HOW MANY?

Oh, that's right.

Because when you concentrate ALL of your draft capital in one position group, it means you're scraping by elsewhere.

And so while these teams look great in these groups, they're not winning Super Bowls.

Meanwhile, here in KC, I guess we'll just keep on...winning.

So, with a draft loaded with RB's, who would you draft @ RB in the first? Just asking because most of the "better" RB's have already been taken even if we traded up to the mid 20's? What RB would you draft in the first that you see worthy in our current draft position?

I don't know 'bout you, but I ain't takin' no runnin' back in round one.

There will be good backs all the way through round 5 this draft.

I think a Damien Martinez right abour #133 looks mighty fine. Mighty fine indeed.

You’re right the draft is loaded with RB’s, which is exactly why we should wait to take one.

I’m hoping for the best DL available - with a bias towards DT - as the guys who can have an impact with the pass rush are mostly R1 guys.

I’m not sure Burden wouldn’t even be a R1 guy last year. Probably would land at WR8-10.

I'd argue they aren't winning Super Bowls because they aren't drafting well at other positions. Unlike our GM.

This draft is ridiculously deep at RB and the defensive side of the ball.

You're getting one shot at a guy like Egbuka or Burden - end of R1.

If Nolen and Harmon are gone, they are very likely the BPA with plenty of opportunity to address the D with guys like Sanders, Tuimoloau, Norman-Lott, Burch, Stewart, Farmer, Walker, Kennard, Broughton, etc.

@dj'sleftnut is dead on this one.

By all means I do not want a RB w/ 1st pick. A RB can be picked up in later rounds was my point.

Shit.

I agree with you.

I may have to reconsider my stance on Burden.

Crow has warmed me to Etienne.

I'd have probably liked him sooner if his last name was Taylor or something. Travis just turned into a bum so damn fast.

So let's look at this scenario...

SPAGS - Walter Nolen

REID - Josh Simmons

MAHOMES - Luther Burden

How would Veach react? Who has the deciding vote? How do you guys think this would play out? Have you even thought from this angle?

No.

I mean, I don’t know why you would be sure of that.

Ricky Pearsall and Xavier Legette were first round picks.

If you think both those teams wouldn’t have jumped to get him instead of them, you’re off. Way, way off.

Burden was the most productive player in the league those dudes played in, and also the best pro prospect.

You could make a case for him being preferred to Ofunze and Worthy, too.

He entered his junior season viewed as a top 10 player and right there with McMillan for WR1 for a reason.

Meaning? It was just a thought?

I would think each would be envolved and have an opinion was were I was going. Nothing more, nothing less just thinking out of the box if you will.

I want TreVeyon Henderson at 31….BUT I’d be very happy with Burden too.

I haven't thought of it from that angle.

I mean there is no right or wrong here and we will never see what is going on in the "WAR ROOM" just trying to think what might be going on in "their" heads was where I was going.

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