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ThaVirus 03-14-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16189850)
Was always going to be this way.

I think they had 26 pending UFAs. Many of them were the sort of depth guys you don't think about, but now they're starting to bubble to the surface.

This is why we can't go paying retail prices for 'name' players who are clearly past their primes.

The margin for error is pretty much gone. Get it right or we're going to struggle to hold off the Chargers for the West.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16189855)
Yep. Out of those listed the only ones I care about is Pringle and Ward

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16189857)
We badly needed this. Can't keep bringing back the same guys trying to replicate 2019.

I'm not panicking or anything.. just noting that this is a pretty massive bloodletting.

This almost certainly makes us better in the future and if we're lucky we may even be better next year (that'll be tough). Either way, we will look very different.

MahomesMagic 03-14-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190053)
The difference is that I think you can give Edmonds 150-200 carries and really get some nice production.

Johnson's almost purely a pass-catching back.

Edmonds presented some real Damien Williams potential, IMO. Johnson is mostly a situational use guy.


It comes down to usage. I'm a believer in toolbox approach at RB so just get me 4 cheap guys.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16190049)
Everybody better prepare for a bunch of bargain bin signings.

We aren’t going to make a lot of noise early this year.

And that’s fine. Veach’s best moves have been bargain bin moves.

Yeah - they can't just keep going to the Bank of Mahomes. At some point they have to have a de-compression year.

Granted, you'd have liked to have seen that in 2020 but it's just hard to overstate how badly the Clark/Hitchens stuff tied our hands. And throwing money at Watkins that off-season stung a fair amount as well.

2021 was an excellent off-season but we're feeling the sting from 2020 and the cap maneuvers that those failures required in 2021 to get that OL fixed.

RunKC 03-14-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16190049)
Everybody better prepare for a bunch of bargain bin signings.

We aren’t going to make a lot of noise early this year.

And that’s fine. Veach’s best moves have been bargain bin moves.

Good. This is exactly what he should be doing.

Chief Roundup 03-14-2022 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16190054)
I'm fine with bargain bin veterans on D line. It's my preference.

We lost because of no pass rush. You are not going to fix that at the bargain bin.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16190062)
It comes down to usage. I'm a believer in toolbox approach at RB so just get me 4 cheap guys.

The issue being that any of those 4 guys need to be interchangeable enough to not telegraph what you're up to. That's how you pressure a Cover 2.

We couldn't do that last year. Teams could tell from the RB we had on the field what we intended to do. That or they just didn't care if we went against scheme because someone like CEH just couldn't run that outside zone.

We need a lot more versatility in the RB Room than what we've got...

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-14-2022 10:27 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cardinals are giving RB James Conner 3-year, $21 million deal that could grow to a maximum of $25.5 million and includes $13.5M fully guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1503407343706550278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 03-14-2022 10:30 AM

Za’Darius Smith looked pretty good coming back from his injury in the playoffs. Had a sack, TFL and additional QB hit

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-14-2022 10:31 AM

Remember guys, Clay said we are getting Metcalf!!

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 16190067)
We lost because of no pass rush. You are not going to fix that at the bargain bin.

Sure you can, if that's all you're looking for. Especially if you're willing to deal with an older player.

There are 2nd tier older one-dimensional pass-rushers who slip into the 2nd wave of FA and sign for reasonable figures every year.

And don't get me wrong, it's harder to do it this way. But it's the only real alternative we have.

Still chaps my ass that we don't have Hendrickson. Man the Bengals stole that guy last season.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16190079)
Za’Darius Smith looked pretty good coming back from his injury in the playoffs. Had a sack, TFL and additional QB hit

Like I said earlier, my concern with him is his long-term health. Back injuries are a curse.

But if we sign him to a 2-year deal that's voidable after 1, that's quite reasonable.

staylor26 03-14-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 16190067)
We lost because of no pass rush. You are not going to fix that at the bargain bin.

Our best edge rusher was a bargain bin signing.

If we have 2 Ingram’s, and a young rookie pass rusher with upside, this defense would’ve been really ****ing good.

crispystl 03-14-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16188654)
Man, Chargers are trying to build a super team on defense.

The Chargers are going to be a real pain in the ass this year.

O.city 03-14-2022 10:33 AM

Pass rush is a great place to bargain shop. Go get 3 or 4 guys for the price of 1, rotate them thru.

BryanBusby 03-14-2022 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190081)
Sure you can, if that's all you're looking for. Especially if you're willing to deal with an older player.

There are 2nd tier older one-dimensional pass-rushers who slip into the 2nd wave of FA and sign for reasonable figures every year.

And don't get me wrong, it's harder to do it this way. But it's the only real alternative we have.

Still chaps my ass that we don't have Hendrickson. Man the Bengals stole that guy last season.

It looks even better when you consider it was reactionary after Carl Lawson blew them off for the Jets and blew out an Achilles.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 16190084)
The Chargers are going to be a real pain in the ass this year.

They're always a PITA for us, even when they're not that good overall.

In58men 03-14-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16190080)
Remember guys, Clay said we are getting Metcalf!!

ROFL

Trading 1st round pick right?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-14-2022 10:38 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Panthers released A.J. Bouye.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1503409771948523520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In58men 03-14-2022 10:38 AM

AJ Bouye released

RunKC 03-14-2022 10:38 AM

Bengals, Chargers and Bills going to go all in with cheap years left on their QB contracts.

dirk digler 03-14-2022 10:38 AM

Damn I forgot about we are getting Metcalf :)

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16190092)
Bengals, Chargers and Bills going to go all in with cheap years left on their QB contracts.

This is the Bills last year for Allen to be under $35 million. They'd better win something.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:39 AM

I'd take Bouye at the right price although he's probably going to get more than he's worth given the CB market right now.

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:40 AM

It's been pretty quiet when it comes to Ward.

MahomesMagic 03-14-2022 10:41 AM

Bills aren't going to go all in. They will be conservative.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16190092)
Bengals, Chargers and Bills going to go all in with cheap years left on their QB contracts.

As well they should.

While I hate burning one of Kelces last remaining premier seasons, the Chiefs may be wise to treat this season as a re-set and get back on the same 'team building' footing as those squads.

We've just been pushing awfully hard every year and when you spend that much time at/near the redline, things start to shake apart. We can either blow the motor or take a beat and have the thing serviced.

If ending up back in the pack WITH those teams (which, make no mistake, is still where we'd be even with nominal FA additions) helps us get back AHEAD of those teams by 2023, it's worth doing.

dirk digler 03-14-2022 10:43 AM

What about Randy Gregory?

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190100)
As well they should.

While I hate burning one of Kelces last remaining premier seasons, the Chiefs may be wise to treat this season as a re-set and get back on the same 'team building' footing as those squads.

We've just been pushing awfully hard every year and when you spend that much time at/near the redline, things start to shake apart. We can either blow the motor or take a beat and have the thing serviced.

If ending up back in the pack WITH those teams (which, make no mistake, is still where we'd be even with nominal FA additions) helps us get back AHEAD of those teams by 2023, it's worth doing.

After the Russell Wilson and Khalil Mack trades happened....I just assumed that this was going to be the Chiefs down year. You can't be at the top forever, unless you're in a shit division, and eventually the other teams are going to catch up.

I don't see Veach making a ton of big moves at all. This team needs young, cost controlled talent and depth over everything else.

MahomesMagic 03-14-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190100)
As well they should.

While I hate burning one of Kelces last remaining premier seasons, the Chiefs may be wise to treat this season as a re-set and get back on the same 'team building' footing as those squads.

We've just been pushing awfully hard every year and when you spend that much time at/near the redline, things start to shake apart. We can either blow the motor or take a beat and have the thing serviced.

If ending up back in the pack WITH those teams (which, make no mistake, is still where we'd be even with nominal FA additions) helps us get back AHEAD of those teams by 2023, it's worth doing.

No. You don't reset with Andy Reid at HC, Mahomes in his physical prime with Hill and Kelce. We will reset in 24 or 25 when Kelce is done.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16190107)
No. You don't reset with Andy Reid at HC, Mahomes in his physical prime with Hill and Kelce. We will reset in 24 or 25 when Kelce is done.

The longer you wait to pull the chute, the closer to the ground you get.

And if you wait too long, that thud at the bottom's gonna leave a mark.

Maybe Veach can pull it off, but this is going to get harder and harder every single year if he keeps approaching it this way.

The last thing I want to see is a complete implosion that costs us 3 years of Mahomes prime when we could've stepped back earlier at the cost of 1.

ChiefBlueCFC 03-14-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16190090)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Panthers released A.J. Bouye.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1503409771948523520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

would for the right price, but doubt we go after him. doesn't seem to be verches MO

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 16190115)
would for the right price, but doubt we go after him. doesn't seem to be verches MO

Kind of what I'm thinking too...

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190114)
The longer you wait to pull the chute, the closer to the ground you get.

And if you wait too long, that thud at the bottom's gonna leave a mark.

Maybe Veach can pull it off, but this is going to get harder and harder every single year if he keeps approaching it this way.

The last thing I want to see is a complete implosion that costs us 3 years of Mahomes prime when we could've stepped back earlier at the cost of 1.

If it's:

Sacrificing one year of Kelce vs. three years of Mahomes

The answer is obvious.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-14-2022 10:50 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agreed <a href="https://t.co/603gUPkLOi">https://t.co/603gUPkLOi</a></p>&mdash; trey wingo (@wingoz) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1503407843919114244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC (Post 16190115)
would for the right price, but doubt we go after him. doesn't seem to be verches MO

Extremely washed.

There's a good argument to be made that he wasn't a starting caliber player at 28 yrs old. He'll be 31 next season.

I don't think he plays more than 4-6 games next year and probably doesn't finish the season on a roster.

RealSNR 03-14-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16190015)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> WR Byron Pringle is heading to free agency, after catching a career-high 42 passes for 568 yards and five touchdowns, <br><br>Expect a strong market for the 28-year old ascending receiver. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a></p>— Matt Lombardo (@MattLombardoNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1503383333740466183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Apparently it IS possible to stop once you pop

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:51 AM

**** Bouye. Just go sign Gladney.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190117)
If it's:

Sacrificing one year of Kelce vs. three years of Mahomes

The answer is obvious.

That is my math, yes. Well more accurately, 1 year of Kelce, 1 year of Mahomes, 1 year of Hill vs. 3 years of Mahomes and 1-2 years of Hill.

And then there's just basic combined probabilities at work. I think you're better served with more bites at the apple than you are a couple larger ones in the beginning.

RunKC 03-14-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190100)
As well they should.

While I hate burning one of Kelces last remaining premier seasons, the Chiefs may be wise to treat this season as a re-set and get back on the same 'team building' footing as those squads.

We've just been pushing awfully hard every year and when you spend that much time at/near the redline, things start to shake apart. We can either blow the motor or take a beat and have the thing serviced.

If ending up back in the pack WITH those teams (which, make no mistake, is still where we'd be even with nominal FA additions) helps us get back AHEAD of those teams by 2023, it's worth doing.

I think if you are Veach you keep doing what you’re doing, except get bargain FA’s instead of Clark’s and Matheiu’s.

The draft will always be key and he’s done a great job there recently. We just need to avoid 2018 drafts that yield little to no return

MahomesMagic 03-14-2022 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190114)
The longer you wait to pull the chute, the closer to the ground you get.

And if you wait too long, that thud at the bottom's gonna leave a mark.

Maybe Veach can pull it off, but this is going to get harder and harder every single year if he keeps approaching it this way.

The last thing I want to see is a complete implosion that costs us 3 years of Mahomes prime when we could've stepped back earlier at the cost of 1.


No, we have a team that can win it all now. You can't play for 2025 when with a few right moves now we can win the next 2.

Last year should have been ours but we just didn't have enough juice.

You won't have Kelce Hill playing at this level 3 years from now. Time is now. If we win 1 or 2 more championships now we can reset after.

-King- 03-14-2022 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16190118)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agreed <a href="https://t.co/603gUPkLOi">https://t.co/603gUPkLOi</a></p>&mdash; trey wingo (@wingoz) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1503407843919114244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, let's go get him.

O.city 03-14-2022 10:53 AM

With the amount of money about to flow into the league and how the cap is just going to keep going up, **** slowing down. Just keep pushing.

chiefforlife 03-14-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190123)
**** Bouye. Just go sign Gladney.

Yes!

-King- 03-14-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16190128)
No, we have a team that can win it all now. You can't play for 2025 when with a few right moves now we can win the next 2.

Last year should have been ours but we just didn't have enough juice.

You won't have Kelce Hill playing at this level 3 years from now. Time is now. If we win 1 or 2 more championships now we can reset after.

You act like he wants to gut the team or something.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-14-2022 10:54 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are working on a restructured deal for DE Frank Clark, per sources. Sides are uncertain whether they&#39;ll be able to get it done, but they&#39;re at least trying to find a way to keep Clark in the fold.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1503413969574367233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RealSNR 03-14-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16190077)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cardinals are giving RB James Conner 3-year, $21 million deal that could grow to a maximum of $25.5 million and includes $13.5M fully guaranteed, per source.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1503407343706550278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I know he had production last year, but I’ve never once watched that dude play and said to myself, “Hey, he’s a pretty good RB!”

Like… why the hell would they do this?

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16190136)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are working on a restructured deal for DE Frank Clark, per sources. Sides are uncertain whether they&#39;ll be able to get it done, but they&#39;re at least trying to find a way to keep Clark in the fold.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1503413969574367233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

****ing stupid.

ChiefBlueCFC 03-14-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190119)
Extremely washed.

There's a good argument to be made that he wasn't a starting caliber player at 28 yrs old. He'll be 31 next season.

I don't think he plays more than 4-6 games next year and probably doesn't finish the season on a roster.

didn't realize he was over 30, that definitely changes my perspective

ForeverIowan 03-14-2022 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190114)
The longer you wait to pull the chute, the closer to the ground you get.

And if you wait too long, that thud at the bottom's gonna leave a mark.

Maybe Veach can pull it off, but this is going to get harder and harder every single year if he keeps approaching it this way.

The last thing I want to see is a complete implosion that costs us 3 years of Mahomes prime when we could've stepped back earlier at the cost of 1.

Brady went 10 years in the middle of his career without winning a ring. Strike while you know you are at the top!

chiefforlife 03-14-2022 10:55 AM

We are OVER the cap at the moment. We should hear about the Chiefs clearing some cap space before we can sign anyone...

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16190133)
You act like he wants to gut the team or something.

Exactly. This team is in a position where they can have their cake and eat it too. No reason to go whole-hog one way of the other. Keep a balanced, forward-thinking approach and this team will be a contender not only in 2022 but well beyond.

O.city 03-14-2022 10:56 AM

I think you pull the bandaid on Clark, but with what they have behind him, it may be something you just have to do to hedge.

duncan_idaho 03-14-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190114)
The longer you wait to pull the chute, the closer to the ground you get.

And if you wait too long, that thud at the bottom's gonna leave a mark.

Maybe Veach can pull it off, but this is going to get harder and harder every single year if he keeps approaching it this way.

The last thing I want to see is a complete implosion that costs us 3 years of Mahomes prime when we could've stepped back earlier at the cost of 1.

That deal is designed to restructure consistently, though. It's the whole point of the way they designed it.

Have you played with what the math looks like if you do max restructures year after year, and then just do a new deal at age 32? You end up with a big bonus proration in that age 32 season (that starts to drop thereafter), but it's workable for sure, and I think that's the plan for him.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-14-2022 10:57 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mitch Trubisky is signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, per source.</p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1503414423238631433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190138)
****ing stupid.

I don't think they get it done. At the end of the day, they're going to cut him but it will be his fault because he wouldn't take a pay cut.

MahomesMagic 03-14-2022 10:57 AM

The last 2 Super Bowls won by teams that pushed all chips in.

Rams and Bucs. Our 2019 was pretty aggressive too adding Clark and Mathieu to ensure enough defense to go with our offense.

Screw 2nd or 3rd place.

Sofa King 03-14-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16190136)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are working on a restructured deal for DE Frank Clark, per sources. Sides are uncertain whether they&#39;ll be able to get it done, but they&#39;re at least trying to find a way to keep Clark in the fold.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1503413969574367233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://media.giphy.com/media/2oUfvv...WFMW/giphy.gif

Lightrise 03-14-2022 10:57 AM

Multiple teams not interested in Ben Neiman

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16190136)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are working on a restructured deal for DE Frank Clark, per sources. Sides are uncertain whether they&#39;ll be able to get it done, but they&#39;re at least trying to find a way to keep Clark in the fold.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1503413969574367233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!

ChiefBlueCFC 03-14-2022 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16190136)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are working on a restructured deal for DE Frank Clark, per sources. Sides are uncertain whether they&#39;ll be able to get it done, but they&#39;re at least trying to find a way to keep Clark in the fold.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1503413969574367233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mean, if he can be really cheap and they also go after some other pieces, then I can get behind it, but I don't think they can get his cap hit low enough IMO

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:58 AM

Can't wait for Frank Clark to lose against third string OTs repeatedly next season while he makes almost $20 million.

Just cut your ****ing losses and move on.

louie aguiar 03-14-2022 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16190136)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are working on a restructured deal for DE Frank Clark, per sources. Sides are uncertain whether they&#39;ll be able to get it done, but they&#39;re at least trying to find a way to keep Clark in the fold.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1503413969574367233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Buy why? Frank is a declining player - barely starting-caliber at this point.

chiefforlife 03-14-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16190144)
I think you pull the bandaid on Clark, but with what they have behind him, it may be something you just have to do to hedge.

Theres no hurry on Clark since he will be a 6/1 cut. May as well see what happens in FA and draft first. Then decide.

RunKC 03-14-2022 10:59 AM

You guys know we’re keeping Clark bc of Spags right?

The Franchise 03-14-2022 10:59 AM

And **** a restructure. Make his worthless ass take a pay cut.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190154)
Can't wait for Frank Clark to lose against third string OTs repeatedly next season while he makes almost $20 million.

Just cut your ****ing losses and move on.

If he's back (and that's still a decent sized IF) it won't be at $20M in 2022. You can bet on that one.

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DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16190148)
I don't think they get it done. At the end of the day, they're going to cut him but it will be his fault because he wouldn't take a pay cut.

Giving him the OPTION of taking a paycut demonstrates they don’t recognize the rot on this roster. That they didn’t learn shit from Watkins.

It’s a REALLY bad omen even if he’s willing to come back for a veterans minimum salary.

He needs to go. He’s part of the problem.

BryanBusby 03-14-2022 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16190146)
That deal is designed to restructure consistently, though. It's the whole point of the way they designed it.

Have you played with what the math looks like if you do max restructures year after year, and then just do a new deal at age 32? You end up with a big bonus proration in that age 32 season (that starts to drop thereafter), but it's workable for sure, and I think that's the plan for him.

Right. His deal will be extended before the bill ever really becomes 'due'

The price will be paid after he's retired lol

MahomesMagic 03-14-2022 11:01 AM

Yeah, last year we should have cut Hitchens and used his $$$ on vet pass rush but...loyalty to a guy who wasn't good.

The Franchise 03-14-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16190160)
If he's back (and that's still a decent sized IF) it won't be at $20M in 2022. You can bet on that one.

If you do a full restructure....it only brings his cap hit down to $17 million according to OTC.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 11:01 AM

You guys need to calm down.

Think about Frank Clark and his personality.

The Chiefs have ALL the leverage here. Do you really think he's going to cave and take a massive pay cut?

If he comes back, it's going to be at a significantly reduced price tag. And that's IF he comes back. Read the tweets - they have to agree and so far, they're not close.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16190162)
Giving him the OPTION of taking a paycut demonstrates they don’t recognize the rot on this roster. That they didn’t learn shit from Watkins.

It’s a REALLY bad omen even if he’s willing to come back for a veterans minimum salary.

He needs to go. He’s part of the problem.

Well nothing is done yet. The league season doesn't even start for another 48 hours.

People need to just chill and relax a bit.

BryanBusby 03-14-2022 11:03 AM

Frank Clark ain't coming back y'all

htismaqe 03-14-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190165)
If you do a full restructure....it only brings his cap hit down to $17 million according to OTC.

Then I doubt he's back. Veach and co. may be loyal but they're not stupid.

RealSNR 03-14-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190154)
Can't wait for Frank Clark to lose against third string OTs repeatedly next season while he makes almost $20 million.

Just cut your ****ing losses and move on.


This isn’t even a Justin Houston situation where you go, “Well, he’s fine, but not at that cap number. We need to reduce it or just cut him.”

Clark isn’t fine. He just sucks. He ****ing sucks. I wouldn’t want him back even if he played for free. Because every time he’s on the field, nothing happens. He doesn’t do anything. He can’t get jack shit for pressure even against the shitty backups he plays.

htismaqe 03-14-2022 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16190164)
Yeah, last year we should have cut Hitchens and used his $$$ on vet pass rush but...loyalty to a guy who wasn't good.

Cutting Hitchens last year wouldn't have netted any cap savings. This year was the year to cut him and reduce the dead cap hit.

chiefforlife 03-14-2022 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16190165)
If you do a full restructure....it only brings his cap hit down to $17 million according to OTC.

Keeping Clark makes no sense, not even if restructured. His play doesnt deserve anywhere near that kind of money.

Could they restructure it way down? Like 4-5 million salary? Not sure how this works?

The Franchise 03-14-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16190175)
Keeping Clark makes no sense, not even if restructured. His play doesnt deserve anywhere near that kind of money.

Could they restructure it way down? Like 4-5 million salary? Not sure how this works?

That's a paycut.

DJ's left nut 03-14-2022 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16190173)
Cutting Hitchens last year wouldn't have netted any cap savings. This year was the year to cut him and reduce the dead cap hit.

No but it would’ve been neutral while simultaneously removing his 2022 dead money hit.

Keeping him was a mistake. As was restructuring Watkins and even discussing a restructure with Clark.

These coaches pets are becoming an issue.


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