Something is wrong. The question is whether Andy and EB can fix him

I think Henne deserves a chance to play.

Sit him a series or two. Wake his ass up.

Looked sharp on our first drive at least we had a running game but then we get our RT hurt and in comes ACME RT Wile E. Coyte. Just doesn't seem the same offense

Broken.. no. Distracted… seems like it. How much time is involved in shooting all these commercials. This is just an easy thing we can all see. Who knows how busy his schedule is outside of football.

All those commercials are shot in the offseason

Yeah, FFS... do people think commercials are shot live or something?


Yeah, that new State Farm commercial you just saw must have been shot during a practice that Mahomes missed... jfc.

How is Patrick supposed to get "fixed" if guys keep dropping passes that hit them in the hands on third down?

Ok. The main point was he seems distracted.

I doubt anyone is blind to all of the other struggles on top of Mahomes' struggles.... there's plenty to go around.

They can't seem to get everyone in a groove at the same moment. There's always something to screw it up. Sometimes it is Mahomes blowing it with bad reads or throws. Sometimes it's a drop by receiver, or a fumble by receiver/RB/Mahomes...or a terrible trick play call by Andy to lose yardage...or a penalty by the OL. Always something.

The not seeing the field well goes back to last season. It’s just getting worst seemingly every game though.

I still don't believe anything is wrong with Mahomes. If anything this is a learning season for him that he has to adjust to defenses as they have adjusted to him however his targets need to catch the ****ing ball and at least 4 of his picks this season have been tip balls because his target can't hang onto the heat he delivers so his INT are skewed . JMO

We’re gonna need a FG to clinch this and right now that looks like climbing Mount Everest

Definitely broken at this point. Every game he gets worse.

Mahomes is being outplayed by Jordan f’ing Love. It’s a big problem at this point.

That's a huge assumption with Jordan Love at QB.

It's not just Mahomes. Andy was broke first. He needs to retire.

**bullshit*cough cough**bullshit**

I don't know what the **** happened. Mahomes goes 3 straight MVP-style seasons and now just isn't playing well. Lots of drops, some fumbles but still. The magic has disappeared.

Great thread.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

This is just sad.

Green Bay Packers have a good defense they are (were) 7-1 not just because of Aaron Rodgers.

have u looked at the stats?

You're either not watching the game or purposefully ignoring all of Mahomes' miscues.

While that is undoubtedly true, the Patrick Mahoney’s of the last 3 years would have looked a lot, lot better. I have no idea what is up with Patrick, Travis and Tyree but:

1. Patrick wouldn’t miss open receivers underneath
2. Travis wouldn’t drop the ball
3. Tyree wouldn’t drop the ball

I don’t know what’s up but my favorite team has the yips in a major, major fashion. They are playing way below their talent level and I don’t really have a good reason why.

I’m just calling it like I see it. I’m not saying that Love is anywhere near Mahomes as far as QB play. Just stating that Love was outplaying Mahomes up to that point in the game (before the sneed pick). This is as bad as Mahomes has ever played. I don’t think you can deny that.

I'm watching the game . Yes it looks like he isn't playing his best football but we will win this game and at any game he can throw for 5 touchdowns and then people will look like and idiots for thinking something is wrong with Mahomes. He can have a bad game now and then doesn't mean something is wrong with him. Our Right Tackle went down and then our offense hasn't produced since I'm not sure if something is with that or not but Wilie is playing RT.

Also catch the ball Hardman and Kelce had a drop or not able to grasp it hitting his hands.

Good defenses are not a problem for a non broken Mahomes.

Well, it's up to Mahomes now.

He’s not broken. He’s just perfecting his Trevor Siemian imitation.

I can’t believe I’m gonna say this, but I think we’d have more points this game if Henne was playing QB

Still makes big time plays with his arms **** yall nothing wrong with Mahomes look at the pass to Travis Kelse.

Yeah, they don't have an amazing defense.... this is the same offensive effort that put up 14 through 3 quarters against one of the worst defenses in the league last week and needed a couple FGs in the 4th to win the game.

**** yalll


NOTHING IS WRONG WITH MAHOMES MOTHER ****ERS ASSHOLES

Patrick would feast on running underneath the coverage and making magic happen outside of the pocket. That style of play was overcoming a problem the Chiefs had for years.. a bad online.
To me it looks like both Patrick and the Chiefs have decided he will be a pocket passer instead. To make matters worse the oline still/again sucks and there is very little running back threat.
Yup.. and there it is, scramble drill to Hill for 30 and to ice the game, and suddenly the fire is back.

Yeah, looks "broken." Good job once again, you entitled ****heads.

The Doubting pussies can eat a dick

Incoming flood of "not broken!!!" because he made two passes down the stretch to beat Jordan Love.



And that comes off more salty as intended, but JFC guys.... it's okay to say Mahomes is massively struggling compared to the past few years and a couple passes don't change that.

I'm one of the most optimistic people here ever since he was drafted, but he's ****ing struggling AND made a couple of great Mahomes-like throws on that last drive.

Yup if 12 was playing that last pass doesn’t matter. This game would’ve been over

PATRICK'S COMING BACK FOLKS

THAT GAME WINNING PLAY IS THE SPARK

WHINY ****S NEED NOT REPLY

Okay but he wasn't playing so.....?

You're such a little **** lmao

Hmm I guess I'm going to take the fact that he made two passes down the stretch to win the game as a positive sign, but that's just me!!!!

You keep telling yourself that Patrick is ok. Whatever helps you sleep at night. That was a awful game by Patrick.

Did you seriously just equate “broken” and “struggling?”

The first step to recovery is admitting that something is wrong.

If you think this was a classic Mahomes game you aren't giving Mahomes nearly enough credit. Something isn't right.

Hell yeah! 166 yards, 54% completion, 4.5ypa, 13 points scored. Elite!

I'm simply not concerned with the opinion of someone who bitched throughout an entire Super Bowl winning season, sorry

With Wilie Coyote at RT.


Our offense was humming until Niang went down that made a big difference.


Do you agree or disagree?

Well I seem to be living rent free in your head.

Took a Mahomesian play to ice the game against a team that started its backup QB and put its first points on the board with 4:54 to go in the game.

SUCK IT HATERS!

This line is the last refuge of the boring loser

God I hope for all our sakes you're right.

I want Mahomes to look like himself just as much as everyone else.

What we need is mahomes to get into rhythm and thats damn frustrating that we can't do that for him.

When mahomes is off, run the damn ball. Gore did well on limited touches yet was barely used. It took a half season to realize mckinnon for all the snaps he gets can be a screen option. Mecole makes a million mistakes (today was a huge momentum killer for mahomes) but Gordon drops the ball once and it's perma detention for him. Sorensen keeps making huge mistakes while thornhill walks on eggshells every week.

We just need a few error tree drives to get us back into rhythm. And as of right now I blame coaching and playcalling the most for now even trying to do that.

Sure, it's just the "I was right all along" narrative that usually happens around here after we've argued like children for weeks on end.... Mahomes throws for 150 yards the week after struggling mightily against one of the worst defenses in the league, but makes a couple Mahomes-like throws at the end of the game.... and suddenly everyone else is the idiot.

That's all.... not trying to be part of the whiny chicken little bunch to shit on the parade of happiness after a win, and I really ****ing hope it sparks something for the offense.

It's been a long ass season already and no one expected to be 5-4, but then again... the Bills are 5-3, the Browns are 5-4, Chiefs are 1/2 a game out of first.

Still time to get things right.

You're ignoring the other 59 minutes of this game that he looked like a bag of smashed assholes.

He is playing badly right now and there's clearly something wrong.

The offense just can't sustain a good rhythm. Whenever it looks like they've got one going, there's a turnover or a penalty or in this game, an injury that leads to ****in Andrew Wylie playing at right tackle. Patrick is struggling to get the offense back into a rhythm whenever one of those things happens. I honestly think that sealing the game with those throws will help boost his confidence going into next week. It'll still take everyone from Mahomes to Reid/EB to the rest of the offense to pull it together, but optimism just feels better than pessimism, y'know?

Mileage varies... I've seen people say "broken" and they could have very well said "struggling" in the context they used. Just today a few people said "broken right now", which to me is equivalent.

Then there's of course the extreme "something is happening right now, and will keep happening forever!!!" bullshit that's been a thing here for 20 years, and the benching talk, etc.

I think I have an idea what is wrong with Mahomes. Don't know if it is the coaches or himself but this thought of trying to make him a pocket passer isn't working. That last play illustrated that, he is better running around making plays. He isn't going to be Tom Brady standing in the pocket all the time.

Definitely not a good game overall but if we're looking for something that can help Patrick get right mentally, that last drive is exactly the sort of thing you want.

Yeah - not sure how this is a discussion.

I’m a Chiefs fan, y’all. If I’m an expert on ANYTHING its bad quarterback play. And fellas - out quarterback is presently playing bad football. Just not much of a counter to be made there.

Heh, I was literally telling someone that the other night.... and I've really wanted to be there all season, but the combo of the Titans game and the major WTF last week kind of broke me.

Or maybe I'm just struggling. ;)

I just want to know which one of you is responsible for this:
https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city...trick-mahomes/

Unfortunately I had this same thought after the second half of the WFT game. Boy was I wrong.

He's a good pocket passer when he can trust his OL, he just hasn't been able to do that since the SB. I'm sure Wylie waddling out onto the field gave him PTSD flashbacks.

Yeah, if he WOULDN'T have made them, I would be worried...

I feel ya.

I'm more of a "believe it when I see it" kind of guy. If the offense makes progress next week I'll feel a lot better.

I don't ever hope someone actually dies...but whoever wrote that article can gargle with broken glass before enjoying a nice, fresh AIDS/antifreeze smoothie.

I am sure that is some of it. Tonight he only bailed out of the pocket once and that was the game clinching play

Dudes….

It’s a W. We are one half game back out of first in a crowded West. Patrick didn’t just forget how be great. He’s in a funk, as are our Coaches, IMO. Not sure if it’s focus or what, but it’s crazy to think we can’t be better if a few things just go our way.

It’s a good day.

He's clearly not right but I'm really curious - as noted in the game thread - as to what the reasons are that he's playing like azz. Are the coaches screwing him up? Is he injured? Has he actually lost it? The receivers haven't helped the case but the lack of rhythm should concern all Chiefs fans.

Luckily, no other team is out of reach so no need for the "lost season" talk but really would like someone to ask Mahomes WTF is wrong with you the past 5 games?

No. The drop from Niang to him is not that big to blame a struggling offense. Plus Mahomes was not pressured much tonight. Wylie started 14 games last season and 11 the year before. We have half a season of evidence showing it’s not about the right tackle.

Everything that could go against us has gone against us. We’ve really gotten zero luck this year compared to years past and we’re still above 500. Dallas got their asses kicked by Denver and Buffalo got beat by Jax…crazy stuff happens in the NFL.

Brown was a bit of a surprise tonight, in a nice way. Expected him to really struggle against Gary and Smith.

Absolutely this -- we've seen the past two seasons that the team that got hot around this time was the team that went all the way. If our defense can keep teams under 20 we're going to win most games but Mahomes has to get right.

My concern is the same as Dirk's, that the coaching staff have f'd up a good thing trying to make Mahomes "better."

The rest of the team needs to step up. Dropped passes, questionable play calls, dumb penalties.
It’s a win and it ended on a high note with a good pass by Patrick. Let’s build on that.

I think his toe might be hurting him. If you can't plant that foot, it's going to throw your accuracy off. And I think that's what's happening. But I don't know, I'm just looking for a reason.

He is not nor has he ever been a pure pocket QB. Why he’s being asked to adjust rather than the team adjusting to him is unclear to me.