I’m starting to love the idea of Dyami Brown at 31.

Cost controlled weapon as insurance for Kelce and Hill. He seems like a perfect fit to replace Watkins.

Brown at 31 is a little rich for me.

I'm hoping Oweh is there and hes the pick.

Clark-Jones-Reed-Oweh on passing downs or up 3 scores game over.

His transition to the NFL will be seamless as he can match his production of zero sacks right away...

I would prefer one of the ends from MIA.

Wouldn’t mind that tbh, but I think this year needs a heavy emphasis on the lines.

This team badly needs an injection of youth at DE. Pass rush was below average last year and it showed.

No thanks.

He's rising up draft boards, and would certainly be a great fi here.

Assuming that what Andy said about Niang at LT is correct, I think we’re looking at DE and WR with CB as dark horse

Terrace ****ing Marshall Jr.

Rashad Fenton
L’Jarius Sneed
Mike Danna
Nick Allegretti

Considering our success with those later picks, I’d really like to trade down in the 30’s if the DE market dries up and get another mid rd pick.

Those are very valuable for us

Link

Orlando Brown jr might be pick #31 +

At the end of the first, you just gotta see what happens.

There are 3 or 4 guys they'd like I'd imagine, but you could potentially pivot if someone starts falling. For instance, if for some reason teams are too scared of D. Smith because of his size and he's there at 31, you'd take him.

^^^^^

:rockon::rockon::grovel:

If anywhere it'll be the Colts or Raiders

Raiders don’t need a LT.

a fatty

https://www.chiefs.com/video/andy-re...onference-4-19

He made the comment about Niang at about the 11:15 mark in response to a question about upgrading the tackle position. It wasn't overly telling, he just said he felt like they were okay at the situation but that they weren't done. He mentioned Niang and Long by name - they were the only two.

He also did say Thuney could play guard AND center.

By the way, he talked about the line towards the beginning - got the impression that he was happy overall with what Veach has done so far but that he was kind of down about having to cut Fisher and Schwartz.

They need a right tackle, though and several of these guys project to be better on the right side.

Jenkins or Cosmi. Being I think Jenkins is gone I'm going with Cosmi.

There were more comments towards the end about Niang that I missed the first time. Good grief the KCChiefs.com website video interface is AWFUL.

I will let you know what he said shortly.

He was talking about Orlando Brown. Brown isn’t going to the Raiders to play RT.

Okay, I got it.

At the 16:50 mark Soren Petro asked about the LT situation and the first thing Andy said was that they had "aspirations" for putting Niang there and that he showed some ability to play the position the last time they had him in the facility.

Very interesting.

On a side note, he said the virtual offseason last season hurt the 1st year players because they couldn't get on-the-field instruction. He mentioned only 1 player by name - Willie Gay. I get the impression Andy thinks he's going to break out with the proper offseason work.

Yeah, the Brown thing and the draft all blends together for me. It's all part of the same problem. :drool:

Jenkins.

Little wouldn't surprise me in the 2nd, if an edge drops and we nab him in the first.

I'm thinking they go WR/DE for 31, and then trade up in the 2nd Rd for who they really want as far as a LT. Unless they trade for one of course. :hmmm:





or not ;)

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Trading up to 52, then trading back to 55?

Holy shit I’d jizz everywhere if we had that draft, though I’d probably replace Forsythe with a WR if we were getting Jenkins to go with Niang.

Um that's a pretty big "although".

He took two tackles in their first three picks.

That's a terrible waste of resources.

Honestly of Payton Turner wasn't on that list, that's a ****ing AWFUL draft. Jordan's workouts weren't just lackluster, they were 10th percentile shitty.

Agreed.

Drafting 2 OTs that early screams “we don’t trust our evaluations of Niang and Jenkins AT ALL”...

I’d like to change my pick now that we have the Niang info. I think if they trade up it’s for Jenkins, but I’m gonna say they will take a corner bc the value is just too good for that position and where we’re picking.

I’m going with Asante Samuel Jr. that’s my final answer (pushes button)

I like Newsome but Samual would allow them to put Sneed outside permanently so it's probably as good of a guess as anyone.

read somewhere that a trade with the bears for #20 would make that possible:thumb:

I disagree with you and htismage about it being a waste to take two tackles early, though I’m not advocating for it either.

Depth at tackle (via injuries) killed us last year, and we are even thinner at tackle now than we were then. Moving forward, Adding the 17th game adds a 6% increase in the likelihood that a player gets injured - that’s not insignificant. If we have a second tackle we really like in rounds 3/4, take them as depth. A 3/4th round is more than likely a career backup anywase, and a backup LT has value. Rankins and Remmers are both free agents after this year (IIRC - I may be wrong) and counting on Durant or Tega Wango to be NFL journeyman is ambitious.

My personal take...

LT: Jenkins-Foresythe-Rankin
RT: Niang-Remmers

Feels a whole lot more comfortable to me in the event of injury than...

LT: Jenkins-Rankin
RT: Niang-Remmers

Again, not advocating for this to be the route the Chiefs take, but I see value there if they do. I’d rather go OT/DE/WR/LB (in any order) with our first four picks.

That would require multiple dominoes to fall.

First, the Bengals would have to pass on Sewell allowing him to fall to the Dolphins. Then the Dolphins would have to pass, allowing him to fall to Carolina at #8, prompting LT hungry teams to trade up to #7. Sewell likely isn't getting past #8, which means the next domino would likely be Slater.

If Sewell drops all the way to Carolina, then the Cowboys would have to pass on Slater at #10. They need defense terribly but they also have a really expensive QB to protect and need help at tackle. If Slater gets past #10, then the Chargers sit at #13. They're almost certainly going to take a left tackle, so somebody is going to want to trade up to #12. If Slater should get past whoever sits at #12, then he will almost certainly go to the Chargers at #13.

That leaves Darrisaw. The Vikings at #14 have said they want to play Ezra Cleveland at LT but they've also reportedly called about Orlando Brown. One has to think that if all of the unlikeliness above plays out and Darrisaw falls into their lap, they'd think hard about taking him. If they don't, however, you have the Raiders at #17 who don't need a right tackle but do need a left tackle and probably wouldn't hesitate to take Darrisaw if he's there since he could play either position.

At #18, you have the Dolphins second spot in the first round and they might take a tackle there if they didn't earlier in the round. Washington at #19 needs a left tackle badly, almost as much as the Chargers, and Chicago at #20 also could use a tackle. Indy at #21 needs a tackle MORE than the Chargers - one could argue it's their only significant deficiency on what is otherwise a contending team.

The Jets at #23 could use another tackle and the Steelers at #24 definitely need one.

As you can see, the chances of us trading up to #20 and getting Darrisaw aren't very damn good. More than likely, you'd have to get to #12 to get Darrisaw unless Slater falls to the Chargers and then you're looking at trying to entice the Vikings to trade with you instead of taking him themselves.

Quite frankly, if you look at the board and the team needs, this is a draft where the Chiefs would be better served not to trade up at all.

With Indy and Pittsburgh sitting in front of them, they're going to be trading up for probably the 4th or 5th best tackle in this draft when they could stay at #31 and get the 5th or 6th, which isn't that much of a difference commensurate with the draft picks they'd have to give up.

The Chiefs would be best served by staying at #31, taking a playmaker in what is a really, really good class for CB's, DE's, and WR's and take a LT at the end of the 2nd round, where there is a cluster of developmental LT's that, even though they likely won't start day 1, project to be better pass blockers in an offense like the Chiefs than the guys likely to be available at #31.

Long is a swing tackle who also plays guard. There's no reason to take two tackles in the draft.

HUGE question mark on Long. You can't speak in absolutes today. Neither can I. Maybe you're right, maybe he is limited to Guard, maybe he's not even a servicable backup at either position. Veach knows better than you and I... So his draft actions next week will tell the story. Even then, we won't really know what we have in Niang and Long until games start.

Again, I'm not advocating for two tackles early, but there is a scenario where it may make sense depending on Veach's personal thoughts.

Andy Reid flat out said they were good at the position, they had aspirations of putting Niang at LT, and that both Long and Remmers could play right tackle.

You said they didn't have the numbers and they needed a swing tackle. That's not true. Either Long or Remmers, right now, is the swing tackle. They don't need to take a tackle in the draft just to have a full roster. The only reason to take a tackle is to upgrade one of the positions, and they don't need to take two of them to do that.

Sorry, I don't agree at all with drafting 2 tackles. It's an absolute criminal waste of draft resources and cost-controlled contracts when you're trying to absorb the cost of a $500M quarterback.

I wouldn’t target two tackles, but I wouldn’t avoid it if we’re getting great value.

With how deep this class is at WR, CB, and DE, there's no way a 2nd tackle is better value than one of those three in the first 3 rounds. No way.

Now, if you want to take another tackle in round 5, sure. No problems with that.

I'm talking about day 1 and day 2 of the draft.

Doesn’t even matter what context that was in...That is some funny shit right there.

This would be an amazing draft

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Yea that would be great

I honestly didn't know how to concisely say it.

There were a couple of guys we were talking about the other day that worked out and produced results in the 99th percentile.

Then there's Brevin Jordan. His workouts were terrible, like historically bad for a TE.

I highly doubt Little will even last until the second round. I would be very pleased if the Chiefs drafted him.



PFF just released their prospect rank and have Walker Little #26 on their big board, ranked ahead of Leatherwood, Jenkins and others

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-...ackle-rankings

I really like Toney. I'm going with him.

**** the LT get him later.

Your whole post list the teams that need Tackles. What if many of them use that same strategy and look to fill a playmaker in round 1 and get their LT in round 2? There may not be a LT left at the end of the 2nd round.

I couldn't fault a pick at 31 from Little (my choice), Brown, Foresythe, Radunz, Carman, or whoever if they feel like that player is a long term solution at LT.

I’m going with Greg Newsome. A long, athletic, ultra-competitive cb that can play man and zone and isn’t afraid to help in the run game.

If they're going CB then it's him if he's available meets the athletic criteria that Veach seeks on Defense

Not all of those teams need LT's. About half of them either need a RT or a guy that could play left or right.

The ones that really need a LT because they have nothing are Carolina, the Chargers, Indy and WFT.

Buy the way, if several of those teams wait until the 2nd round, the top guys will actually fall further.

If you have hopes of getting a top guy without paying a fortune in draft picks, you want the EXACT scenario you just said - everybody waiting for the 2nd round. You might be reasonably able to trade up and get Darrisaw.

I think if Rashod Bateman is available, that's who we take. Otherwise it would be one of the LBs.

I hope they don't take a LB in the first. None of them are really worth it. Davis is probably the best prospect of the bunch and he's borderline. Collins isn't a fit for this defense.

I didn't do a very good job of stating what I was thinking. You have teams needing a T in order:

Bengals
Dolphins (X2 in round 1)
Panthers
Cowboys
Chargers
Vikings
Raiders
Redskins (It would cost us our 2nd round pick to get to the Redskins spot. More to go higher)
Bears
Jets
Steelers

All of these teams select before us again in round 2. And Jax could go T early in the 2nd as well from some of the mock drafts I have seen. If we want a T from the group of Little, Brown, Foresythe, Radunz etc., waiting until the end of round 2 may leave us with nothing.

I believe you have a point, it's possible that we would be left with only a couple of quality options and reach for an OL at #63. Kind of a good argument to trade back, any chance we can pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd in a deal w/ JAX, CLEV, or MIA this year?

Yeah, pretty much.

The point is, if all those teams wait, we probably have our pick of most of the 2nd tier guys WITHOUT having to trade up for one. If they don't wait, the 2nd tier guys are all gone but there will be more guys available in the 2nd.

So we're better off just waiting to see how things play out and either pick at 31 or trade down. Trading up just isn't necessary unless things REALLY break our way and Darrisaw drops to like 20.

My worry is that we dont' take one at 31 planning to wait till 62 and it ends up being a Breeland Speaks situation where they start flying off the board and we trade up for the last available.

If that's the case, don't take one. Take one later.

They don't need a left tackle in the draft, especially if they plan on using Niang there.

Sure, if thats the case.

I don't think it really is, but we shall see. Just have to have a feel for the board and be ready to move.

I would prefer to take one in the 2nd after taking a WR or DE early.

I think one of Spencer Brown, Stone Forsythe or Walker Little will be there at 63.

And I think that’s fine to sit them year 1. Especially since we are getting Lucas Niang back and Willie Gay will be ready to take over as a starter

I don't really understand the want for another LBer. Unless one of the high end ones fall, I'd just take one in the 3rd or 4th.

Yup but what they do need is a DE. Badly.

I’m just not sure they’re gonna be able to have one available at 31

There’s depth at DE well into round 4.

They don’t need to do it at 31, along with any other position.

With that said, I think there will be value at 31.

A trade down into the late 30s would be ideal. Here is a pipedream. I think Forsyth could be a late 2nd.

https://imgur.com/a/CKV5iMr

https://imgur.com/a/CKV5iMr

This shit all comes down to how truthful the “we liked Niang at LT” statement is.

Exactly.

Absolutely. It just might not be at OT. And it's not the end of the damn world if it isn't.

Just a reminder: Veach has executed 5 draft trades in his career as GM.

Every single one of them was a trade UP to get his guy

What reason do we have to believe he'd flat out lie about it?

Yeah. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. It's worked okay so far but it's not going to forever. Especially when you have guys like Clark making so much money and not getting enough return.

Here’s the thing: they need someone to contribute now. Not sure you’re gonna be able to find a stud like Sneed in rd. That’s hard.

I think they want to do that earlier.

I know there’s a lot of coach/GM speak, but I believe Veach when he said he wants to attack the trenches.

He saw how inconsistent Frank Clark was in the regular season. He knows that Danna and Taco are nice role players but not big impact starters. He saw this DL lack pressure in many games last year.

I’d argue that DE is the biggest need on the team now assuming they think Niang is the LT.

Even though I’ve mocked corner to them this is Brett Veach we’re talking about. If we trade up it will probably be for a DE bc we can all see that tier is not gonna be there at 31

The only thing that I could see is if they don’t want it to seem like they’re desperate for a LT. Niang is an unknown so it puts smoke out there.

Well not long ago Veach lied to us when he said Fisher was on track to return by training camp as if that was a plan.

Then they cut him

The thing is, Reid didn't say Niang was the starting LT - that would be what needed to be said to convince other teams they had no need.

Instead, he said they had aspirations of putting Niang at LT and they felt like he could play the position the last time they had him in workouts. That's not definitive enough to convince anyone they don't still need a LT, but it's detailed enough to suggest they've more than just given it a cursory glance, especially since Veach said immediately after the draft that he thought Niang would start out his career inside at guard.

Reid and the coaches saw something in him after working him out that Veach didn't necessarily see at the time he was drafted.

That's not a lie. He could sign with another team, start working out in early July and everything Veach said would be true.

Veach never explicitly said he would be ready by training camp and still the Chiefs starting left tackle. He simply said he'd be physically ready to start participating in workouts at that time.

Yeah....I get it. I’m at the point now that I wish the draft would hurry up and start. I’m tired of all of the speculation.

Yeah, especially all the hand wringing about OT's. At least after the draft, there will be a reason for everyone to panic. ROFL

It’s going to be pandemonium no matter what happens.