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saphojunkie 03-12-2020 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14838165)
Who are the multiple starters we will be losing?

Mathieu, Clark, Nnadi, Ward, Thornhill, Hitchens, Wilson, and Kpass will all be back. Counting Jones that’s 9 of 11. You’re losing Breeland and Ragland in terms of starters.
First of all, two is multiple. Second of all, you also lose Fuller. And Ogbah. And Suggs. And I believe I also mentioned depth and players that need upgrading.

saphojunkie 03-12-2020 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14838226)
Hahaha, what the hell? Let's pretend I'm not using your suggested parameters of what a "big risk" entails, how about that?

My implied version of a "big risk" is shall we say less reckless than trying to light a smoke off the exhaust plume of my aircraft.

Let's try this instead: when I was a kid for a few years I raced downhill (skiiing) in NASTAR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASTAR).

In that discipline there were basically three different 'lines' one could take on any given course. There was a fast line, a safe line, and a compromise line, which was basically between the two. The fast line was the riskiest, steepest line, but would get you across the finish line in the shortest time IF you could stay on your skis all the way down. The problem was that the odds of staying on your skis and on your edges through the entire run on the fast line was always a low percentage route. Kind of skiing's version of a 60-yard Hail Mary pass.

In perfectly ideal conditions you might consider that line. But if the weather was bad, or the surface wasn't ideal, or whatever, you tended to ski closer to the safe line. That might be right on the compromise line, or it might be a little to the fast or slow side depending on the exact situation.

Now what I learned in the short time I competed was that if you wanted any real chance to win, you ignored the safe line almost completely. It was like it didn't exist. Instead the medium or compromise line was your 'safe' line. You skied as close to that fast line as you could and never skied slower than the compromise line. Otherwise you just had no chance to win.

So when I say taking a "big risk" what I'm really saying is aim for as close to that fast line as we can get without losing your edge.

Make sense?

Another example would be pool. I still play pool, though I'm not at the top of my game anymore. But I've played more than a half a million games since I started playing competitively, played in more than a thousand tournaments, and I still play a few local sanctioned tournaments, I just don't play to go to Vegas or Atlantic city or wherever, anymore. So of the things I could say I'm proficient or expert in performance-wise, 8- and 9-ball pool would be among them.

And what I know for a fact is that you can't win in the big tournaments unless you're willing, and more importantly, comfortable taking risks. Some of those risks are just calculated risks of course, but if you want to win a regional qualifier (such as the Desert Classic here in AZ) or if you want to beat the best players in the country you have to be ready to "go all in" every once in a while. Yes, you have to pick your spots; you can't just go all in on every shot or even every game, but there's always that moment in a game or in a match or whatever, when you can try to play conservative and hope to come out on top later, or you can just push all your chips in, so to say, and go for the win. But if you always pick the conservative play, I guarantee you'll never win the big money. That player always ends up some kind of runner-up.

P.S. Some dipstick will think I meant that I won the Desert Classic because of what I posted above. No, I never won the Desert Classic qualifier, but I have placed high enough to qualify for Vegas, which is all I meant.
And they DO take risks. Big ones. Like trading up to select Patrick Mahomes II. And they DO go all-in. Like trading Dee Ford and letting Houston walk and paying a ransom for Frank Clark. Part of that risk is that you won't be able to pay Chris Jones. But, of course, that is not considered "taking a risk." Once again, this topic is being treated myopically, as if signing Jones to a long term contract happens in a vacuum with no relation to events in the past or future. We are STILL paying for the Berry contract, for the Mahomes trade, and for the Clark trade. The Ford trade should have been more profitable, but we met San Fran in the championship, and now that high 2nd round pick is the 31st. So, no... you can't simply put all of the risk of signing Jones on whether or not he produces at the same level or stays healthy (which, by the way, are absolutely enough to walk away from the deal on their own). You have to consider it in conjunction with all of the other factors, like having 20+ roster spots to fill with 5 draft picks and $22M in cap room.

Megatron96 03-12-2020 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14838402)
And they DO take risks. Big ones. Like trading up to select Patrick Mahomes II. And they DO go all-in. Like trading Dee Ford and letting Houston walk and paying a ransom for Frank Clark. Part of that risk is that you won't be able to pay Chris Jones. But, of course, that is not considered "taking a risk." Once again, this topic is being treated myopically, as if signing Jones to a long term contract happens in a vacuum with no relation to events in the past or future. We are STILL paying for the Berry contract, for the Mahomes trade, and for the Clark trade. The Ford trade should have been more profitable, but we met San Fran in the championship, and now that high 2nd round pick is the 31st. So, no... you can't simply put all of the risk of signing Jones on whether or not he produces at the same level or stays healthy (which, by the way, are absolutely enough to walk away from the deal on their own). You have to consider it in conjunction with all of the other factors, like having 20+ roster spots to fill with 5 draft picks and $22M in cap room.
On the bolded part I think we agree. My last post was about clarifying what I meant about taking a "big risk" since you erroneously decided that I meant being completely reckless, which I was most definitely not.

As for the rest of it, if you read my posts in this thread, you'll find that I never advocated paying Chris Jones to be the highest paid defender in the league. In fact, I have only said that performance-wise, he's a top three defender, and a top 2 DL. Were I Veach, I'd offer Chris the opportunity to be paid like a top-3 DL and hope that would be enough (incentives or whatever assumed).

But not considering offering Chris a new contract appropriate to his performance and potential while he's still just entering his prime years just because he MIGHT get injured, or just because the Chiefs didn't realize the results they hoped for from Houston and Berry is silly and overly reactionary.

Chris has no real history of serious injury. And he is the best DL not named Aaron Donald. And third place is way back in the rear-view mirror at that position. Chris is entering his prime years and should be one of the best players at his position for at least 5-6 years if not longer, barring serious injury. History tells us that replacing Chris Jones' performance would be difficult if not impossible.

And the goal here for the Chiefs is to win more SBs, period. Veach isn't doing this in a vacuum. He must have a mandate from both Clark Hunt and Andy Reid to try and sign Chris, right? Probably from Spags if he has any input, as well. Between Andy, Spags and Veach they know far better than any of us just how important Chris is to the the team, right? If they're trying that hard to keep Chris, it's because they have good reasons and they also think they can make that happen, without hurting the team elsewhere.

And those guys would also know far better than any of us what the odds are of Chris experiencing a season-ending or career-ending injury. And they still seem committed to the idea of re-signing him.

Given all of that, and knowing just how much better the team defense is with Jones on the roster, I have no problem with the team offering whatever they want to Chris.

And even if Chris does get seriously injured after signing a big contract, so ****ing what? Will it suck? Yeah sure, but these are the choices you have to make. Or rather these are the choices Veach/Clark/Andy have to make. They've collectively proven to be big gamblers, but they also have proven to be very damned good at it. Let 'em roll the dice if they want. I think they've earned the right. And if the Chiefs win just one more SB in doing so, all of those contracts will have been worth it.

Chief Roundup 03-12-2020 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14838165)
Who are the multiple starters we will be losing?

Mathieu, Clark, Nnadi, Ward, Thornhill, Hitchens, Wilson, and Kpass will all be back. Counting Jones that’s 9 of 11. You’re losing Breeland and Ragland in terms of starters.
Why do we, you, me and many others, seem to like to argue with a brick wall? I feel like that is what you are doing now.

staylor26 03-12-2020 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 14838397)
First of all, two is multiple. Second of all, you also lose Fuller. And Ogbah. And Suggs. And I believe I also mentioned depth and players that need upgrading.
Eh multiple is usually used to mean more than 2, hence why you didn’t just say a couple because it sounds larger.

So wee have to replace a couple of starters, one of whom is a JAG 2 down player in Reggie Ragland, so let’s not pretend like it’s impossible to do. We replaced half of our defense last offseason, I think we’ll live having to replace a couple starters and some of our depth guys. 2 of our first 3 picks will likely be used on a CB and a LB.

What I find funny is, even if you trade Chris Jones, you’re still likely replacing most of those guys AND him. Whoever you sign in free agency is ALSO a risk. This is silly.

staylor26 03-12-2020 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14838486)
Why do we, you, me and many others, seem to like to argue with a brick wall? I feel like that is what you are doing now.
Simple answer? I guess I like to argue too much lol.

Chief Roundup 03-12-2020 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14838513)
Simple answer? I guess I like to argue too much lol.
My thought is that surely they will get it here in a minute with a few more obvious reasons pointed out to them. It hardly ever works that way though.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-13-2020 03:27 AM
Pay Pat, pay Chris. Damien, the forgotten SB MVP possibility

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-13-2020 02:24 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“ hope that they know that I love em but, all good things must come to an end”....<a href="https://twitter.com/iamkevingates?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iamkevingates</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1238561259605372932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 02:30 PM
Seems like a goner after that and Andy’s comments this morning.

Someone must be offering a great trade.

staylor26 03-13-2020 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14840221)
Seems like a goner after that and Andy’s comments this morning.

Someone must be offering a great trade.
What were Andy’s comments this morning?

dirk digler 03-13-2020 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 14840202)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“ hope that they know that I love em but, all good things must come to an end”....<a href="https://twitter.com/iamkevingates?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iamkevingates</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1238561259605372932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Well that isn't good

saphojunkie 03-13-2020 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14838510)
Eh multiple is usually used to mean more than 2, hence why you didn’t just say a couple because it sounds larger.

So wee have to replace a couple of starters, one of whom is a JAG 2 down player in Reggie Ragland, so let’s not pretend like it’s impossible to do. We replaced half of our defense last offseason, I think we’ll live having to replace a couple starters and some of our depth guys. 2 of our first 3 picks will likely be used on a CB and a LB.

What I find funny is, even if you trade Chris Jones, you’re still likely replacing most of those guys AND him. Whoever you sign in free agency is ALSO a risk. This is silly.
Fuller is essentially a starter. And replacing a JAG in Ragland (Reggie Jagland?) means that we need to UPGRADE that position. And the problem with THAT is even replacing a jag costs money and/or resources. We should be trying to make the defense better, not stay the same.

this is why I imagine chris jones will be gone, and why am I okay with it.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14840224)
What were Andy’s comments this morning?
https://t.co/vtNijBylyI?amp=1

He basically sounds like a guy who already knows a deal has been agreed upon.

Wallcrawler 03-13-2020 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 14840202)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“ hope that they know that I love em but, all good things must come to an end”....<a href="https://twitter.com/iamkevingates?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iamkevingates</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1238561259605372932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dude earned the right to go get max money. Thanks for the memories, and good luck except on sundays against us.

RunKC 03-13-2020 03:10 PM
Good chance a move is made for Sammy or Chris this weekend

TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14840271)
https://t.co/vtNijBylyI?amp=1

He basically sounds like a guy who already knows a deal has been agreed upon.
Agreed.

From listening to Reid and reading CJ's comments, seems like the Chiefs have already found a trade partner. Hopefully it's a strong return in picks.

Business wise, this is the right move. It allow the Chiefs to retain a few more guys, possibly make a couple low-key FA adds and re-stock the roster with some solid young talent with the extra picks. And to have a more flexible and workable cap situation going forward as they manipulate the Mahomes contract and other things.

Obviously, the D-Line will lose some interior push, but hopefully they will make up for it with better run stuffing interior players, more depth on the overall D-Line and hopefully guys do a better job of staying healthy this next season.

Assuming there is a next season of course . . . . . . .

staylor26 03-13-2020 03:18 PM
I’m cool with a trade, even though I’d obviously prefer to keep Jones, but I just hope it doesn’t drag on. If you’re going to trade him, get it done next week.

You really can’t go wrong here IMO.

If we get a middle of the 1st pick that allows us to get Murray or Queen, that would be huge. Hopefully Saunders make a huge jump in year 2.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 03:20 PM
It’s a harsh reality that was always probably going to come. Hard to have all these high paid guys on top of Mahomes and still field competency around them.

I wonder who the trade partner is. Ballard and Indy makes sense but he loves his draft picks.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 03:24 PM
A top 15 pick plus a 3rd or 4th would be nice.

If it’s a late 1st, we better get at least another 2.

UChieffyBugger 03-13-2020 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14840402)
It’s a harsh reality that was always probably going to come. Hard to have all these high paid guys on top of Mahomes and still field competency around them.

I wonder who the trade partner is. Ballard and Indy makes sense but he loves his draft picks.
I remember hearing an NFL talking head say a few weeks ago that he heard from the combine that Ballard has said privately that "he would give up everything" to get Chris Jones. Although tbh the only logical trading partner looks like being Miami imo because they have three firsts to play with with a ton of cap space.

TambaBerry 03-13-2020 03:35 PM
Hopefully it's a good pick if it's a late first I'll be upset if it's too 20 and a 3rd I'd be fine

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14840422)
I remember hearing an NFL talking head say a few weeks ago that he heard from the combine that Ballard has said privately that "he would give up everything" to get Chris Jones. Although tbh the only logical trading partner looks like being Miami imo because they have three firsts to play with with a ton of cap space.
Colts have two 2nds. That might get it done.

Or their 1 and another pick.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 03:40 PM
Now is the perfect time to do it if you’re the Chiefs. Fans are already worried enough about real life issues, the Chiefs just won’t garner as much attention.

I bet he’s traded by next Wednesday, officially.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-13-2020 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14840443)
Now is the perfect time to do it if you’re the Chiefs. Fans are already worried enough about real life issues, the Chiefs just won’t garner as much attention.

I bet he’s traded by next Wednesday, officially.
I think after the CBA vote tomorrow night. The NFL is gonna delay the start of free agency.

UChieffyBugger 03-13-2020 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14840443)
Now is the perfect time to do it if you’re the Chiefs. Fans are already worried enough about real life issues, the Chiefs just won’t garner as much attention.

I bet he’s traded by next Wednesday, officially.
Two seconds would feel a little cheap imo considering how much the Rams just paid for Ramsey. Plus didn't we get two seconds for Dee Ford? Nah need a first somewhere in that deal which Is why Miami makes sense to me. Miami also don't have much of a pass-rush do they? So it all adds up.

RunKC 03-13-2020 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 14840454)
I think after the CBA vote tomorrow night. The NFL is gonna delay the start of free agency.
I think trades would still happen though

ForeverIowan 03-13-2020 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14840402)
It’s a harsh reality that was always probably going to come. Hard to have all these high paid guys on top of Mahomes and still field competency around them.

I wonder who the trade partner is. Ballard and Indy makes sense but he loves his draft picks.
I wouldn't be completely shocked if it's the Bills:

1.) We've traded with them in the past.
2.) They have a ton of cap space.
3.) Arguably on the verge of making a deep run.
4.) Likely losing Jordan Phillips in free agency.
5.) AFC East finally theirs for the taking especially if Brady leaves.

staylor26 03-13-2020 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 14840485)
I wouldn't be completely shocked if it's the Bills:

1.) We've traded with them in the past.
2.) They have a ton of cap space.
3.) Arguably on the verge of making a deep run.
4.) Likely losing Jordan Phillips in free agency.
5.) AFC East finally theirs for the taking especially if Brady leaves.
If they trade him inside the AFC, it’ll be a team that’s less of a threat like the Dolphins IMO.

The only reason I’m buying the Colts as a possibility is that you can get 34 and 44. That would give you 3 picks inside the top 44 (and 4 in the top 64) If they offer that you have to take it.

I don’t see the Bills giving up anything more than 22.

ForeverIowan 03-13-2020 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14840500)
If they trade him inside the AFC, it’ll be a team that’s less of a threat like the Dolphins IMO.

The only reason I’m buying the Colts as a possibility is that you can get 34 and 44. That would give you 3 picks inside the top 44 (and 4 in the top 64) If they offer that you have to take it.

I don’t see the Bills giving up anything more than 22.
I hear ya do Veach and Reid really view Jared Allen with no weapons a threat though? As long as it's not the Ravens/Patriots/Texans I think I'm fine with it.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-13-2020 04:05 PM
Bills have Ed Oliver though.

Thing is NFL teams view picks 25-60 as very similar, they are typically very close in terms of grades. So 34 + 44 will be viewed as 2 good immediate starters.

If it was pick 14 + another 4th, they’d essentially view the top 15 pick as a potentially great player and the 4th rounder as a lottery ticket of sorts. Once you get out of the top 100, it’s a lot of guesswork.

ForeverIowan 03-13-2020 04:25 PM
Find it hard to believe we'd trade him to a divisional rival but Mayock and Gruden fricken love Jones. They may have given us an offer too good to pass up. They have the firepower to pull it off. Their defensive line would be pretty damn good.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 04:32 PM
No way they trade within the division. In fact, I’d be surprised if they trade him to an AFC team. They would have to get an offer that’s too good to refuse.

I expect him to go to the NFC, unless some AFC team really steps up big time with an offer.

We’ll find out soon enough, I guess . . . . . .

mcaj22 03-13-2020 04:40 PM
I'll call my shot and guess Tampa Bay.

Bunch of cap space, they blow it all on Chris Jones and Tom Brady.

This is a move LeBrady the GM makes because he doesn't care about draft picks or the future.

The Franchise 03-13-2020 04:59 PM
Colts, Bucs or Dolphins.

Kiimo 03-13-2020 05:12 PM
Staylor is cool with a trade huh lmao

staylor26 03-13-2020 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14840660)
Staylor is cool with a trade huh lmao
I’ve been saying from the get go that I’m ok with a trade if they can’t get a deal done. Don’t try to make it seem like I’m contradicting myself because I made it very clear that it was you that was talking in absolutes, not me.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-13-2020 05:59 PM
I don’t think anyone necessarily WANTS to see Chris Jones gone, but the reality is that’s whats gonna happen (and that has been reinforced even more with Reid’s and Jones comments today). We just need to hope for a large return at this point.

The writing is on the wall.

Kiimo 03-13-2020 05:59 PM
You insulted anyone who dared disagree with you. Tell me more about which sports personalities to listen to.

Wallcrawler 03-13-2020 06:10 PM
This is a great opportunity for the Chiefs here. Veach has been pretty good in his dealings, so I expect we will get the right compensation on this move. This is a build for the future move, and if he us able to turn those picks into starters, we could be looking at full on Chiefs Dynasty here.

Its just so hard to stay at the top, sinking so much of your cap into just a few players.

Even with qbs, no top tier salary qb ever made it to the superbowl, save for Eli Manning, who was i believe the fifth highest paid qb at the time.

Mahomes obviously has the skills to be the exception to that rule, but with him commanding a large number, Clark getting his, its just not there to keep Jones at fair value for what he really deserves and still be able to fill out the roster for a championship level team.

Hate to see the guy go, but he earned his money. In a sport where each snap could be your last, He's totally justified in taking care of his future now.

BossChief 03-13-2020 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14840599)
I'll call my shot and guess Tampa Bay.

Bunch of cap space, they blow it all on Chris Jones and Tom Brady.

This is a move LeBrady the GM makes because he doesn't care about draft picks or the future.
Yup. Shaq Barrett and Jones as the pass rush.

Kind of a bummer.

Just hope we get good picks in return. It sure sounds like a deal is done, so the compensation has to be pretty good.

Let’s hope we get 2 Chris Jones out of the deal and it’s not a huge mistake.

staylor26 03-13-2020 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14840736)
You insulted anyone who dared disagree with you. Tell me more about which sports personalities to listen to.
I have acknowledged the possibility that a trade could happen. You were being willfully ignorant about what was being said by the Chiefs most reliable insiders. The result doesn’t change that, and I’m not convinced all of this necessarily means he’s already gone although it’s definitely more likely that not at this point.

Red Dawg 03-13-2020 06:22 PM
Trade will happen.

SAUTO 03-13-2020 06:38 PM
What did Reid say?

BossChief 03-13-2020 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14840818)
What did Reid say?
“Chris is a part of this team, a big part of this team — he helped us get where we were,” said Reid, before pivoting. “It’s crazy because in this business, we’re all expendable. That’s been proven over and over again. On the other hand, you’d like to keep everybody. But that’s not real. So would we like to keep Chris? Sure. But things happen in this business, and we’re all players and coaches. We’re all used to that, and so if he’s here, great, man. That’s a great thing. If he’s not, we’re going to keep plowing, man, and keep moving on, and we expect somebody else to step up and fill in that position. We get all of that... You’ve been in this thing long enough, I think we understand that. I think the fans understand that.”

Chiefaholic 03-13-2020 06:50 PM
The Dolphins have a ton of cap space and picks coming out of their ears. I see them as a probable trade partner

TribalElder 03-13-2020 06:53 PM
As much as Mike Mayock loves Chris Jones I still believe that the Raiders will trade for him with whatever team we trade him to if that happens. It might not be in the same season but I still think it will likely happen

dlphg9 03-13-2020 06:57 PM
Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.

staylor26 03-13-2020 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14840840)
As much as Mike Mayock loves Chris Jones I still believe that the Raiders will trade for him with whatever team we trade him to if that happens. It might not be in the same season but I still think it will likely happen
And you’re still an idiot for thinking this is possible.

staylor26 03-13-2020 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14840853)
Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.
Yea there’s not enough for me to say he’s gone. It could just as easily be posturing from both sides.

BossChief 03-13-2020 07:04 PM
Hopefully it’s for TB 14th and 76th overall and a third next year, or something close to that.

Trade down to add more picks in the top 100 and load for bear.

dlphg9 03-13-2020 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14840824)
“Chris is a part of this team, a big part of this team — he helped us get where we were,” said Reid, before pivoting. “It’s crazy because in this business, we’re all expendable. That’s been proven over and over again. On the other hand, you’d like to keep everybody. But that’s not real. So would we like to keep Chris? Sure. But things happen in this business, and we’re all players and coaches. We’re all used to that, and so if he’s here, great, man. That’s a great thing. If he’s not, we’re going to keep plowing, man, and keep moving on, and we expect somebody else to step up and fill in that position. We get all of that... You’ve been in this thing long enough, I think we understand that. I think the fans understand that.”
Sounds like a guy that's posturing. Reid's very involved in the organization and hes not gonna come out and say we have to keep Chris Jones at all costs. It's part of the negotiation.

BossChief 03-13-2020 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14840853)
Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.
You’re in denial.

Red Dawg 03-13-2020 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14840853)
Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.
Big denial. It's done. He's gone.

ForeverIowan 03-13-2020 07:27 PM
So let's hear it from the Monday morning GMs. How would you use the pick and cap space? For the sake of argument let's assume we grabbed Tampa's first and third rounder.

With that 14th pick from Tampa I think an argument could be made for Javon Kinlaw in the middle to fill the void left by Jones, CJ Henderson to address your need at corner or do you go all in for Mahomes and grab one of those elite receivers to replace Watkins (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III).

In free agency the biggest targets that catch my eye are AJ Green, Chris Harris Jr. and Joe Schoebert.

staylor26 03-13-2020 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 14840899)
So let's hear it from the Monday morning GMs. How would you use the pick and cap space? For the sake of argument let's assume we grabbed Tampa's first and third rounder.

With that 14th pick from Tampa I think an argument could be made for Javon Kinlaw in the middle to fill the void left by Jones, CJ Henderson to address your need at corner or do you go all in for Mahomes and grab one of those elite receivers to replace Watkins (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III).

In free agency the biggest targets that catch my eye are AJ Green, Chris Harris Jr. and Joe Schoebert.
I don’t think there’s any chance the Bucs trade the 14th pick to pay Jones.

Teams simply don’t trade top 15 picks for players.

Chiefs=Champions 03-13-2020 07:33 PM
He might be gone. But you're insane if you read too much into stuff. People trying to mind read shit like this waaay too much these days.

staylor26 03-13-2020 07:36 PM
It’s odd, but I find a really hard time finding a believable trade partner for Jones.

You pretty much have to look outside of the top 15 if you want a 1st this year and I don’t see a lot of NFC teams that make sense.

TheMartyr 03-13-2020 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14840251)
Well that isn't good
A quick search of Kevin Gates reveals that it’s lyrics from his song. Sure it could have a deeper meaning to feel agency. Or maybe not and he just likes this song.

Chief Roundup 03-14-2020 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14840865)
You’re in denial.
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14840878)
Big denial. It's done. He's gone.
You 2 are also part of the idiots going around buying all the toilet paper.

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Red Dawg 03-14-2020 07:36 AM
We are the idiots? Most of you just don't see the writing in the wall. His tweet says it all. Only one way to interpret that tweet.

Buckweath 03-14-2020 08:30 AM
Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance.

Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him.

I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?

Red Dawg 03-14-2020 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14841355)
Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance.

Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him.

I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?
I thought about that as well but normally edge rushers are considered more valuable and we did give a 1 for Clark and his attitude has been great. With that being said if he did trade Clark and paid Jones his big money that would be probably good with most.

dlphg9 03-14-2020 09:36 AM
How often does this place try to play detective, such as tracking flight plans, reading tweets, trying to decipher interviews, and talking to real estate friends? You don't have to answer that, because I can tell you the answer and the answer to this question is, all the ****ing time.

How often do these things mean anything? Never.

Ive been wrong and will admit im wrong, no problem, so if someone can point me in the direction of a thread where any of you internet detectives were right about something you looked into, then thatd be great. There also can't be any reports from media guys, because in this case not one person in the media is saying he's gone.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-14-2020 09:45 AM
Sammy has been playing things like that too. Saying he’d love to team up with D HOP again but also retweeting some guy saying he will get an extension. They’re players love to play with the fans and I for one am here for it!

Toad 03-14-2020 10:14 AM
Can someone re-post his Tweet? Thanks so much

Wallcrawler 03-14-2020 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14841419)
How often does this place try to play detective, such as tracking flight plans, reading tweets, trying to decipher interviews, and talking to real estate friends? You don't have to answer that, because I can tell you the answer and the answer to this question is, all the ****ing time.

How often do these things mean anything? Never.

Ive been wrong and will admit im wrong, no problem, so if someone can point me in the direction of a thread where any of you internet detectives were right about something you looked into, then thatd be great. There also can't be any reports from media guys, because in this case not one person in the media is saying he's gone.
So Jones just randomly posts song lyrics with no context during a time where his future is in question and it shouldnt be taken as a sign he is done.

Sure pal, sure.

Hey, why dont you go dig up some more pre-salary cap era players and tell us all how many teams they played for.

Coogs 03-14-2020 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 14841355)
Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance.

Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him.

I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?

Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-14-2020 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 14841605)
Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.
This.

And while Clark is a great overall defender and impact player, he is not a ‘unicorn’ like Jones. Jones trade value is much higher and would garner a better return.

Red Dawg 03-14-2020 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 14841605)
Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.
I didn't realize that. Yup, not happening. Hill is a big cap hit this year. 17 mil i think.

Red Dawg 03-14-2020 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 14841605)
Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.
I didn't realize that. Yup, not happening. Hill is a big cap hit this year. 17 mil i think.

Buckweath 03-14-2020 09:10 PM
Anyone finds it disrespectful that he would post this tweet in the end probably just to get attention or have a laugh at the fans' reaction?

He obviously knows what he is doing.

Just asking.

BossChief 03-14-2020 10:09 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how much Jones gets.

dlphg9 03-14-2020 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 14841548)
So Jones just randomly posts song lyrics with no context during a time where his future is in question and it shouldnt be taken as a sign he is done.

Sure pal, sure.

Hey, why dont you go dig up some more pre-salary cap era players and tell us all how many teams they played for.
Oh trust me I will just to prove your stupid ass wrong. Tell me the last really good DT that was let go or traded away.

dlphg9 03-14-2020 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 14841548)
So Jones just randomly posts song lyrics with no context during a time where his future is in question and it shouldnt be taken as a sign he is done.

Sure pal, sure.

Hey, why dont you go dig up some more pre-salary cap era players and tell us all how many teams they played for.
Did you find a time when you sleuths got something right?

RealSNR 03-15-2020 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14842746)
Oh trust me I will just to prove your stupid ass wrong. Tell me the last really good DT that was let go or traded away.
Chester McGlockton!

dlphg9 03-15-2020 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14842757)
Chester McGlockton!
God damn you!

KChiefs1 03-15-2020 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14842757)
Chester McGlockton!


Don’t remind me of that lazy fatass.

Wallcrawler 03-15-2020 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14842746)
Oh trust me I will just to prove your stupid ass wrong. Tell me the last really good DT that was let go or traded away.
Ndomukong Suh, for starters.

Defensive rookie of the year, 4 pro bowls with Detroit, 3 first team.

Became highest paid defender in the league in 2015 leaving for Miami. 114 million, 60 guaranteed.

But teams would NEVER let a stud DT leave.

Chief Roundup 03-15-2020 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 14842816)
Ndomukong Suh.
Albert Haynesworth.

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