Ah, Clay doing God’s work again. Bless you, my dear, sweet, lil troll.

I told anybody that would listen for weeks that New England was being overrated due to their schedule. They don't have any control over that, obviously, but their record and their rankings were, I thought, completely a product of playing a half season string of really, really bad teams. And I believe the last month has proven that true.

If we lose, it's because our coaching staff is overmatched. The Chiefs are a better team, roster versus roster. But I fully expect expect they'll just have Brady hand the ball off until we show we can stop them from running over us. And Spags was brought in specifically to beat this team. If we can't stop them on third down again, like in the AFCCG,.it was all for naught.

I just don't know if this team in KC can put together a solid 4 quarter effort against a quality team. I've seen way too many games under Reid where they either start hot and then call on their face in the 2nd half, or start cold and then have to go batshit crazy late to get back into it.

How about the situational football improvements on D this year?

2019 to date:
- 12th RZ %
- 14th in 3rd down %
- 16th in PPG allowed

2018:
- 31st in RZ %
- 24th in 3rd down %
- 24th in PPG allowed

And the best part is that I would bet the 1st half of the season compared to the 2nd half would show us making great strides recently

Ya'll notice that Hardman has barely touched the ball lately?

Oh yeah. Andy's going in dry.

This will be his magnum opus.

Too bad we then have to turn around and do it again in January.

That’s usually how it goes...

So what do you do? You don’t want to shoot your load too early, so are we better off trying to beat the Pats without showing everything we got?

It’s even more tough considering we have to go to their house both times.

I think the whole "don't show this, don't show that" thing is overblown.

Go unload the gun, then do it again. See what happens.

I thought about this a few times. It's tough. Beating them twice in NE is gonna be very tough even with them struggling a little right now. But you obviously don't want to tell your team to play possum. Not a great sign. Perhaps you do play it a little closer to the vest. Try some stuff out defensively a few times and see if it works?

As a fan I think I'm just going to go all in and hope we kill them. Might make it harder to win in January but what the hell. Enjoy the great games when you can.

This was the same 'don't quit' attitude that Ron Jeremy had - well done O.city - well done, sir.

bravely ran away away...

they have like 15 inches of snow there currently - probably will be colder than it was on Sunday as well. Just a thought - doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Also nice job Clay. an eye for an eye.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The New England Patriots have 22 more yards rushing than the Kansas City Chiefs on the season, despite rushing 62 more times.<br><br>Their 3.5 YPC average on the season is tied for 28th in the league, just ahead of CHI (3.5), NYJ (3.3), and MIA (3.1).</p>&mdash; Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1201631111526400001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So their running attack is even worse than ours. Somehow.

I still expect them to run early and often.

They were down 14 last night vs Houston and they were still running on 1st and 2nd down.

As they should. Belichick is going to attack our biggest weakness, stopping the run. I think if they try to pass on us all night, it’s a sucker’s bet right now. The KC secondary is meshing very well.

That’s where our O needs to do their job and get the lead that will force them to throw in the 2nd half.

just don't turn the ball over

if we don't turn the ball over and have less than 5 penalties we will whip those clowns

Brady throws 2 ints Sunday

If Ragland can pick Brady off in the end zone in the AFCCG, the sky is the limit on Sunday with this defense.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Further on this... the Patriots are 10th for the season but 15th in weighted DVOA. So they&#39;ve definitely declined as the season as moved along. <a href="https://t.co/9PBb9t5lRz">https://t.co/9PBb9t5lRz</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Schatz �� (@FO_ASchatz) <a href="https://twitter.com/FO_ASchatz/status/1201380251701518336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Passed OAK/ARI." LMAO

Both those teams got WAXED.

Flacco gameplan coming

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brady has had huge, huge problems with the blitz this year.</p>&mdash; Aaron Schatz �� (@FO_ASchatz) <a href="https://twitter.com/FO_ASchatz/status/1201325907182571521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only thing that will beat the Chiefs when they meet the Patriots next Sunday is the Chiefs or some really inclement weather.

Whatever. But it won't be the Patriots. They aren't good enough to beat the Chiefs this year.

If the weather conditions are just decent, meaning dry and maybe only up to 15 mph of wind, it's more than likely the Chiefs rout the Patriots. They simply don't match up with us very well this year.

You spelled refs wrong. Repeatedly.

Pats are decent but yeah they are not 10-2 good. Their offense is horrible and their D while very good hasn't had much success against the better offenses it has gone against (Ravens, Texans).

They are not a serious threat this year. Doubt they win a playoff game. That said Any Given Sunday. You can't underestimate any team in this league. Pats will come to play and they know how to win even when they shouldn't due to great coaching. It won't be easy.

My bad. Must be the pain-killers scrambling my brain.

They just cut their kicker

As far as I'm concerned, the patriots are 1-2 on the season*

*games played against teams over .500

You guys are taking them way too lightly. Year after year they prove their doubters wrong. I agree with ya'll that their offense looks anemic. But that shit can change in a week. Especially with the Patriots.

When's the last time they've lost two consecutive games?

I'm still counting this as an L, especially if Mahomes doesn't get back on track.

Completely agree...

With that said, CHIEFS BY 10+(!!!!!!)

Chiefs gonna be hittin’ their head on the goal posts all night baby

I truly think Sorenson is making a difference in this defense by covering the RBs

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was a team effort in yesterday’s game, so here are the top 5 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> defender grades vs the Raiders (25+ snaps)<br><br>• S Juan Thornhill: 88.6<br>• DB Tyrann Mathieu: 86.7<br>• S Daniel Sorensen: 81.5<br>• DI Chris Jones: 76.5<br>• CB Charvarius Ward: 71.1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1201560935967723520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We have the RBs to run it is our soft o-line that couldn't rip open a paper bag.:rolleyes:

;)

If I remember correctly you also thought the Raiders were some really good team that we should be scared of coming in to Arrowhead (so incredibly wrong on that one). So if you're counting this as an L, I feel pretty good about KC coming out of Foxboro with a W.

At least for myself, this isn't about taking the Patriots too lightly. Yes, they have the best coach. Yes, they have Brady, and he's still a very good QB. Yes, they still have Edelman, maybe the best slot receiver to ever play. And yes, they have a top-5 secondary (I think that's still true today).

But here's some reality:

They aren't that good against the run. Ranked something like 17th, IIRC. That's been true since the Browns game when they gave up 190 yards to Chubb and one of the worst OLs in football. Even the Cowboys ran on them at will, until they decided to stop running on their own.

Their running game is average. Sony Michel and Burkhead aren't Dalvin Cook and Derrick Henry.

Their OL is a patch-work that's been worse than ours, and it's not getting any better any time soon.

Their receivers are led by Sanu, who's a top WR2, but not a top WR1. Dorsett and the rest of them are nobodies. And Brady hasn't been able to make them better.

Their only real receiving weapon this year has been Edelman and even he's not what he once was.

And if you look at just exactly how the Patriots beat the Chiefs the last two times, it wasn't because of their utter superiority. They won the first game in 2018 because in spite of Maomes giving us the lead twice at the end, Bob's defense completely failed to stop Brady just one time.

And in the second, we lost by a penalty. Or a coin flip, if you prefer. But the offense scored plenty.

So when I look over the Patriots what I see is a team that's a shadow of itself right now. Their only bright spot is that secondary; it's still very good. But their DL can't get pressure on its own. Their LBs are slow. Their running game is below average. And their passing attack is bottom tier. None of that is going to get a lot better without a big injection of talent. Of which there is none available before Sunday.

The Chiefs simply have to play smart football, not get in their own way, and score efficiently to our average, and we win this game.

Yeah they're going to run. Even in the AFCCG, their efficiency running the ball was shit but they still ran the hell out of it. Don't expect that to change.

The fact that they will run the ball a lot should surprise nobody. They don't really have a passing game to speak of. Taking away the screen game and the run game should be priority number one. Dare them to beat you deep, because I don't think they're capable.

I really think this board reminds me of the movie Memento. No memory other than what we want to believe. I was chastised because I was remarking that the run defense was not very good. I have no idea why the Raiders, or any team with a half way decent running game, would get away from running the ball when it's working. Especially yesterday when the wind was insane.

I know the Patriots are struggling, their WR are not getting open. The Chiefs have the same problem. The real difference, IMO, which means nada, is that the Patriots have better players and possibly better scheme on their defense than the Chiefs.

Maybe I have battered Chiefs fan syndrome. I've been watching since the first AFC/NFC championship game. Patrick Mahomes is a very good QB, the receiving corps on this team really struggles with man coverage. I expect the refs to be very lenient with the Patriots coverage of Kelce and Hill. Who is going to step up and make a play for this offense?

That's just it though.

The Raiders never got away from running it.

It wasn't really effective for them in complement with a total shit afternoon passing.

You have to throw the ball to beat the Chiefs. Even the Titans, with their glorious 225 yards rushing, had to throw it in the end.

The only game where this wasn't true was the Colts game, because the offense played the worst ****ing game ever.

The Titans game is where I really got the gut punch. The Colts was the other game that really hurt. The Texans game was turned on a very bad call.

I'm not sure how the Chiefs can hide the issues at linebacker. They are slow and if the defensive line doesn't get penetration, teams gain 5-7 yards per play.

I really want to believe... The run defense, and the linebackers in particular, are a real concern to me. I'm hopeful that Clark is going to be able to play this week as well.

The problem is if they run against you when you are usi g a DB to mark a rb, it's not great.

I'll admit I didn't follow him much yesterday. I remember him losing track of Jacobs for a long catch but that's it. I suppose that's a good thing.

Cam Erving. Few times in my life had I been so dismayed with a LT.

Because they’re afraid Brady’s arm is gonna come off!

I’d love to see us play Pedelman like we did that game against Dungver where we crushed Welkers soul. Don’t remember the year but I remember him just getting destroyed on every snap.

He's actually leading the league in attempts.

Guess nobody's noticed yet but New England cut their kicker Kai Forbath. They have no kicker as of right now. Huge advantage for the Chiefs with Buttkicker vs. whatever JAG they have to dredge up

The Faketriots, in terms of current personnel and production are arguably one of the worst opposing offenses the Chiefs have faced this year to-date.

Half our opponents are ranked higher than NE in total offense, and a few others are virtually identical to their numbers. But realistically, their offense ranks lower than that right now. They’ve gotten worse and their strength of schedule was pitiful.

Looks like they currently do not have a kicker

We’re playing the pats in New England. The refs will certainly show up with their flags. We’ll have to overcome one sided officiating to win this one. Just don’t let up and leave it in the hands of the refs, period.

I GUARANTEE VICTORY!!!!!

I feel more confident about this game than the Raiders.

Yeah, but that will get 0 penalties and we will get 10 for 120 yards to keep it close. The Faid game was steered towards a blowout, this one will be kept close. Expect to be pissed off by multiple blown calls

I posted over a month ago....for KC fans not to worry. There was no way, barring IR for Mahomes, that Goodell would allow him to miss the post-season.

Sundays game actually threatened to knock KC completely out of the play-offs. Chiefs had lost head-to-head to the Titans, Colts and Texans....and with the Bills likely to get the 5 seed....you get the picture. This win would essentially remove almost all risk.

How did the NFL puppet-masters respond?

Chiefs had their first 0 penalty game in 45 years....:LOL:

Fun factoid...NE had a stretch of THREE games with 0 accepted penalties out of seven games. 2018 AFCCG ( Jags)...then Jags again and against the Chiefs. Took KC half a century to get just one....

Moral of the story...if the NFL wants Mahomes in a SB, he'll be there.

People keep saying there were 0 penalties but a TD was wiped out by one.

Correct it's some kind of mind trick, an active Jedi looms.

Do you take painkillers every day?

I think you are giving them too much credit because of their past success. They can't score right now and our D is playing well. I doubt they magically light our D up without any WRs other than Edelman and their garbage RBs/TEs.

Plus, if any HC knows how to score on the Pats, it's Reid. Mahomes is also due for a big game.

This is a terrible matchup for the Pats. Won't be easy but Chiefs should win this.

This year I am much more worried about the Ravens and Texans than I am the Pats.

And they had a very realistic shot at that onsides kick too...should have had it actually. I believe we will win, but it will not be easy

Saw an interview with Bill Belichick for the NFL top 100 and he said the key to his coaching is to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses... Well .. we are going to see a lot of run plays and passes to the back out of the backfield.. Sorenson is going to have to have a good game...
If we can get up 2 scores I think Brady will throw a pick or two...

This is the most confident I have felt about playing New England in forever. If they had our schedule they likely would be scratching and clawing for a wild card.

This defense does really well against QBs that can't move, or can only move a little.

Flacco, Rivers, Carr x2, Cousins.

The only game this wasn't true was the Detroit game, and Stafford was throwing absolute seeds. Brady isn't there this year.

Now we have a QB who can't move AT ALL and his running game is a complete dumpster fire. WORSE than ours.

We're going to BUTT **** this team if the offense shows up. We need a B game from the offense to absolutely piss all over NE, and if we get the game we got in NE last year, it's a blowout.

As long as the Colts game offense doesn't show up again.

If anything, I want this team to win the game with their defense so we can rub it in everyone's faces, anyway.

We just need to cover White catching screens

Brady is awful against the blitz this year and a statue. Get ready for the Flacco game plan.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are 6-0 against immobile/less elusive QB: Carr x2, Flacco, Cousins, Rivers, Stafford.<br><br>Stafford tore KC up, but otherwise, have allowed an avg of 13 PPG, 216 pass yards and 5.6 YPA, 1.2 TD and 1.6 INT, with 7 forced fumbles.<br><br>Tom Brady is the most immobile QB in football. <a href="https://t.co/6fz2eKG1x0">pic.twitter.com/6fz2eKG1x0</a></p>&mdash; 70 Sent (@ClayWendler) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayWendler/status/1201893886140059648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Roughing the passer all day vajay Jay.

So the Patriots have struggled mightily against the pistol offense Baltimore uses and Houston copied the other night.

I think Andy has some looks to get Kelce, Hardman, Tyreek and the RB’s involved this week. I want Andy having that look on almost every single play.

Hardman needs to be lined up in the backfield constantly so we have a 4.3 receiver in the flat to pull LB’s away from the middle of the field.
It’s literally all about the LB’s. That’s Bill’s go to. He wants to blitz those guys and control the game exactly like what they did to us in the first half of the AFCCG.

Look at their losses to us, the Ravens and Texans. The consensus was that those wins consisted of beating the LB’s.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The New England Patriots have 22 more yards rushing than the Kansas City Chiefs on the season, despite rushing 62 more times.<br><br>Their 3.5 YPC average on the season is tied for 28th in the league, just ahead of CHI (3.5), NYJ (3.3), and MIA (3.1).</p>&mdash; Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1201631111526400001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great stuff and this gives me comfort that we can beat them not once on the road but twice if we have to. I just think it’s a pretty decent matchup for us. We’ll see Sunday I guess.

Would be great to have Clark back...

:hmmm:

I read somewhere that he sucks.

This is interesting... we better keep that trend going and make Brady pass.. hope Clark is a go this weekend.. going to need all the pass rushers we can get...

If you took the names off the teams and just looked at the stats, this is one you'd feel pretty good about.

And yet....

Amazing how games being officiated effect things. They simply can do things others aren't allowed on defense and you can't hit Brady without a flag.

You also had games like Philly ( Wentz missed open WR ALL day and had 7 straight chances to score but failed) and Dallas (2phantom penalties in key moments)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Patriots are first in fewest TD passes allowed (8) and first in INTs (20). <br><br>They allowed 4 TD passes to Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson/DeAndre Hopkins and forced zero INTs. <br><br>They have Patrick Mahomes this week.</p>&mdash; b e a r d w e l l (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1201915504623050760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wondering who helped him with his English.

Double team Edelman and we got dis.