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Titty Meat 01-24-2019 06:06 PM
This will be an unpopular opinion but I hope he fires Wmmitt Thomas

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-24-2019 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14070428)
Thomas retired.
No he didn’t. He’s still on the coaching staff

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14070450)
This will be an unpopular opinion but I hope he fires Wmmitt Thomas
Why would that be unpopular? Our DBs had horrific fundamentals.

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:08 PM
When Spags has had talent, he’s been great. When he hasn’t, he’s been bad.

You can do this with just about every long time DC in football.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2019 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14070411)
You think other teams don’t know we are not going to pay him. He has no place in a 4-3
That's what we said about Alex Smith last year. This stuff happens every year to a guy on the trade block. We may not get blue chip trade bait. But no, I don't think him being under contract is an obstacle. If a team wants him, and can't imagine why there wouldn't be interest, they're not going to wait for us to cut him. And the Chiefs are probably not above absorbing a 1 yr contract if it means getting a better trade, but I doubt it will come to that.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-24-2019 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by In58men (Post 14070447)
Reid knows what he’s doing. There’s no doubt about it.
Yet he kept Bob Sutton last year...

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2019 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14070450)
This will be an unpopular opinion but I hope he fires Wmmitt Thomas
One things for sure about spagnuolo is he cares a ton about DB's. He either cares too much about it to let a bad coach stay. Or he will basically outrank a bad DB's coach and teach him the right way. That's one positions group that doesn't really concern me.

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14070410)
I think that Williams was just signed on a one year deal, so I'm not sure that he'll be back. What about Speaks? I would assume that he's your DE. I assume that Ragland won't be back. Buffalo traded him to us when they switched to a 4-3 because he didn't fit. It'll be interesting to see if Ford is tagged and traded. After this year, he will be starting if he's not traded. And what about Neimann? Does he fit the 4-3?
I hope we keep Williams if he's willing to sign a reasonable contract. He is an ideal 1-tech next to a 3-tech like Jones.

Speaks will probably be a weakside DE. I think Neimann can be a strongside linebacker.

It will be really interesting to see what happens with our linebackers. In a 4-3 the linebackers have much more protection and can run freely and attack. The MLB in a 4-3 has to be a tackling machine. Remember that Donnie Edwards played MLB for a while because of his range. Some Defensive Coordinators want their MLB to be an attacking, downhill linebacker. At the snap of the ball the MLB has already read the play and is shooting a gap.

I don't know what Spagnuolo is going to do.

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070462)
Yet he kept Bob Sutton last year...
Or promoting Juan Castillo from OL to DC back in Philadelphia.

In58men 01-24-2019 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14070301)
I don’t get the crapping all over this selection. What did you expect? Reid likes working with coaches he knows. He needs to trust them. Misplaced trust sometimes but still it’s his decision. It may have been decided before they even fired Sutton.

We don’t need a top ten defense. We just need a middle of the pack defense. Spags should get us there.

Mahomes is why we are a legitimate contender now. Who thought Mahomes would progress this far and fast? MVP his first season as a starter? Reid deserves the credit. He over there in the game sitting with him coaching him up. As he should be. We will rise or fall on how well Mahomes performs. It looks like Reid is perfect so far in his most important job. What coach Reid wants, Reid gets.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070462)
Yet he kept Bob Sutton last year...
Might as well since we had Smith. Wasn’t gonna do shit anyways.

kcxiv 01-24-2019 06:11 PM
am not mad. We dont need the number 1 defense. They just need to not sucks! Hell, we were 1 man lining up offsides from the superbowl.

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:11 PM
Wade Phillips was considered the best DC in football just a few years ago, but since he has all that talent he hasn’t been nearly as good.

It shouldn’t be a surprise that it will come down to getting more talent to go along with him. Hell, I think Spags is an improvement from Sutton, but even Sutton showed he could get it done when he had the talent.

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14070450)
This will be an unpopular opinion but I hope he fires Wmmitt Thomas
Absolutely, bye Emmitt.


I would rather have him fire all our current coaches than keep them all. We need the soft,lazy bullshit burned out of our defense.

wazu 01-24-2019 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14070400)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trashing the Spags hire before the offseason pans out is a bad take. The name isn’t as sexy as Rex Ryan, but 4-3, blitz-heavy is the anti-Bob Sutton. This is what most fans have been asking for, by my gauge.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1088570040042115073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Never asked for that. Just want competent defense. Don't care how. Be top 20ish. Spags is more of a Top 31 or 32 defense guy. JUST LIKE THE GUY WE ****ING FIRED.

BossChief 01-24-2019 06:12 PM
Here’s the bright side:

This team is going to score a ton of points next year and Spags will formulate defenses that focus on generating pressure on opposing QBs and imo the talent this team has fits a 4-3 under style defense pretty well. Our DL should be pretty damn good right away. Their jobs just got simplified and that should definetely play to their strengths.

Hitchens and DOD should be able to pretty much hit the ground running. Maybe we try to add K.J. Wright to round out the Linebackers.

One things for sure...he’s gonna need a lot of talent to make it work.

Sign Collins and trade for Ramsey/PP and we should be able to have a good shot at getting past NE next year.

HemiEd 01-24-2019 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperChief (Post 14070141)
What would our starters look like in a base 4-3? (if this has been discussed/posted somewhere else - my bad)
Probably a few hundred posts about it in the other Spags/DC thread.

Hoover 01-24-2019 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14070458)
That's what we said about Alex Smith last year. This stuff happens every year to a guy on the trade block. We may not get blue chip trade bait. But no, I don't think him being under contract is an obstacle. If a team wants him, and can't imagine why there wouldn't be interest, they're not going to wait for us to cut him. And the Chiefs are probably not above absorbing a 1 yr contract if it means getting a better trade, but I doubt it will come to that.
Well we get a compensatory pick, probably a 3rd rounder if we just let him walk. If you are a needy team and have a low first round pick why not.

Chiefs=Champions 01-24-2019 06:13 PM
http://cdn.insidethepylon.com/wp-con...-4-3-Under.jpg

People get to caught up in the 4-3 vs 3-4. Id say that we can easily transition into the 4-3 with our current personnel. 4-3 under isn't too dissimilar to a 1 gap 3-4 scheme.

Not only are some of the underutilized guys better fits, but i can see our current baker group thriving too. Houston will make a great LEO or SAM, Jones is a perfect 3 tech, Nnadi is an amazing 1 tech, Hitchens will be much better in this scheme, and I even think Ford could have a roll as a LEO or SAM or in a wide 9 stance if we choose to keep him. Just upgrade the 5 tech, draft a coverage backer (or use DOD), and upgrade the safety/cb position.

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14070473)
Here’s the bright side:

This team is going to score a ton of points next year and Spags will formulate defenses that focus on generating pressure on opposing QBs and imo the talent this team has fits a 4-3 under style defense pretty well. Our DL should be pretty damn good right away. Their jobs just got simplified and that should definetely play to their strengths.

Hitchens and DOD should be able to pretty much hit the ground running. Maybe we try to add K.J. Wright to round out the Linebackers.

One things for sure...he’s gonna need a lot of talent to make it work.

Sign Collins and trade for Ramsey/PP and we should be able to have a good shot at getting past NE next year.
Yep. Veach better not pull that dumpster diving bullshit he did last year for secondary "talent."

T-post Tom 01-24-2019 06:15 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spags was put in an impossible situation with the Saints in 2012 after bounty gate. In 2017 the Giants quit on Ben McAdoo who was a joke of a HC.</p>&mdash; Nicolas Roesch (@Nicolas_Roesch) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nicolas_Roesch/status/1088571760801394690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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JakeF 01-24-2019 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by In58men (Post 14070447)
Reid knows what he’s doing. There’s no doubt about it.
Isn't he the person that kept Sutton for this long?

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2019 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070436)
What are those explanations?
Terrible head coach in st Louis. Lots of examples of good coordinators who were terrible at head coach.

Hard to blame spagnuolo for new orleans. Joe vitt as the coach, multiple suspensions, players probably pissed about Payton, only one year.

Spagnuolo had a decent Defense in 2016. But mcadoo was a disaster in 2017. Locker room mutiny. Landon Collins having a public ugly quarrel with Eli apple. Obj being a mess. Eli benching.controversy. Spagnuolo having to play head coach and DC half the year. All while supporting a brutally bad offense.

Again... Maybe they're excuses. Where there's smoke there's fire. But maybe he's just a terrible head coach who can coordinate a good defense behind a good head coach.

BossChief 01-24-2019 06:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14070478)
Yep. Veach better not pull that dumpster diving bullshit he did last year for secondary "talent."
He tried to sign Kyle Fuller.

Kyle Fuller made first team all pro

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 14070476)
http://cdn.insidethepylon.com/wp-con...-4-3-Under.jpg

People get to caught up in the 4-3 vs 3-4. Id say that we can easily transition into the 4-3 with our current personnel. 4-3 under isn't too dissimilar to a 1 gap 3-4 scheme.

Not only are some of the underutilized guys better fits, but i can see our current baker group thriving too. Houston will make a great LEO or SAM, Jones is a perfect 3 tech, Nnadi is an amazing 1 tech, Hitchens will be much better in this scheme, and I even think Ford could have a roll as a LEO or SAM or in a wide 9 stance if we choose to keep him. Just upgrade the 5 tech, draft a coverage backer (or use DOD), and upgrade the safety/cb position.
After all the simplistic shit we've been running they are going to freak out when they see something like that. Heads exploding all over. LMAO

suzzer99 01-24-2019 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070393)
And yet Spags routinely coached D's that were worse.
I don't care what the stats say - no team was worse when you absolutely had to have a stop late in the game.

Red Dawg 01-24-2019 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14070335)
Sutton's regular season overall performance here was acceptable. His post-season Ds were an abomination. It really can't get worse.
No it wasn't. Every good offense in the league went through us like we not even there. His idea is to slow teams down and not give up a deep ball. Game plans were non existent.

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14070490)
He tried to sign Kyle Fuller.

Kyle Fuller made first team all pro
Kyle Fuller was also an RFA and the offer we made wouldn't have been anywhere close to what it would've taken for Chicago to not match. Same with trying to trade for Earl Thomas. Recognizing talent is nice and all, but there's a problem when you fail to get them on your team and instead sign guys like Amerson, Scandrick, and Parker.

stevieray 01-24-2019 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralZone55 (Post 14070439)
I'll wait to see what we do at the draft, free agency, training camp and HOLY SHIT MAYBE EVEN A LIVE REGULAR SEASON FOOTBALL GAME OR TWO before I get too worked up one way or the other about this.
stop with that nonsense!

:D

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2019 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14070472)
Never asked for that. Just want competent defense. Don't care how. Be top 20ish. Spags is more of a Top 31 or 32 defense guy. JUST LIKE THE GUY WE ****ING FIRED.
And who the **** could they have hired that would guarantee such results at this stage? :hmmm:

The Franchise 01-24-2019 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14070504)
And who the **** could they have hired that would guarantee such results at this stage? :hmmm:
Kris Richard! Tony Romo!

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2019 06:28 PM
In his time in NYG, 5 out of his 10 first and second round picks went to DBs.

I'm going to take a wild guess at what our #1 offseason priority will be.

FringeNC 01-24-2019 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14070497)
No it wasn't. Every good offense in the league went through us like we not even there. His idea is to slow teams down and not give up a deep ball. Game plans were non existent.
I'm talking about his entire tenure here. This year was a catastrophe both regular season and post season.

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14070506)
In his time in NYG, 5 out of his 10 first and second round picks went to DBs.

I'm going to take a wild guess at what our #1 offseason priority will be.
Landon Collins, provided he's not tagged.

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14070490)
He tried to sign Kyle Fuller.

Kyle Fuller made first team all pro
No offense, but if he didn't get it done then who cares?

I imagine lots of people could fill up a quality roster if they just got to pick and choose whoever they want. You have to be able to get it done as well.

Credit to him for being able to see a good player if we are giving out participation awards.

The Franchise 01-24-2019 06:29 PM
Go get Kwon Alexander to play MLB in this defense.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2019 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14070472)
Never asked for that. Just want competent defense. Don't care how. Be top 20ish. Spags is more of a Top 31 or 32 defense guy. JUST LIKE THE GUY WE ****ING FIRED.
I find it really hard to believe he's a 31 or 32 defense guy when you actually look at the context behind many of his poor defensive rankings.

New World Order 01-24-2019 06:30 PM
Good lord people.

Spag is experienced and has turned around defenses before.

He’s also the complete opposite of Bob Sutton

OnTheWarpath15 01-24-2019 06:30 PM
Which one of you guys...


http://i67.tinypic.com/n32bye.png

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14070498)
Kyle Fuller was also an RFA and the offer we made wouldn't have been anywhere close to what it would've taken for Chicago to not match. Same with trying to trade for Earl Thomas. Recognizing talent is nice and all, but there's a problem when you fail to get them on your team and instead sign guys like Amerson, Scandrick, and Parker.
What you’re not getting is that doesn’t mean you go and try to get every “top guy” at that position. Veach goes after players, not positions.

Out of last years FA corners Veach liked Fuller. Do you really wish he would’ve settled for Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler?

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14070513)
Good lord people.

Spag is experienced and has turned around defenses before.

He’s also the complete opposite of Bob Sutton
How is he completely opposite?

In58men 01-24-2019 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14070482)
Isn't he the person that kept Sutton for this long?
Who cares, we moved on at the right time.

petegz28 01-24-2019 06:32 PM
Though I typically like a 3-4, I think the talent we have, especially at MLB, we would fare better in a 4-3.

Hitchens will go back to what he was used too in Dallas so hopefully he improves greatly.

Ford could be the odd man out though. I can'st see him as a DE and I cannot see him as a OLB in a 4-3 unless we have been hiding his coverage ability for this very time.

Plus a 4-3 should help us stop the run better.

I think our CB's in Fuller\Nelson\Ward can be upgraded via the draft.

I think Safety is the big ? at the moment. Can you play Watts and Lucas at the same time?

petegz28 01-24-2019 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14070504)
And who the **** could they have hired that would guarantee such results at this stage? :hmmm:
Guarantee? No one.

petegz28 01-24-2019 06:34 PM
Can we some how lasso Patrick Peterson or Ramsey???? That would go a loooong wayas well

TribalElder 01-24-2019 06:34 PM
THEY JUST SHOWED SPAGNOLAS 2017 DEFENSE NUMBERS ON THE NEWS

THEY WERE EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2018 CHIEFS

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14070517)
What you’re not getting is that doesn’t mean you go and try to get every “top guy” at that position. Veach goes after players, not positions.

Out of last years FA corners Veach liked Fuller. Do you really wish he would’ve settled for Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler?
Good for him. When you end up with ****ing trash like Amerson, Scandrick, and Parker with starting roles in your secondary you have completely screwed the pooch somewhere along the way.

TribalElder 01-24-2019 06:35 PM
This is gonna be a 3 year suffering ending in a rusty womb scrape

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14070529)
Good for him. When you end up with ****ing trash like Amerson, Scandrick, and Parker with starting roles in your secondary you have completely screwed the pooch somewhere along the way.
And if he signed one of those guys our defense would’ve still sucked but we wouldn’t have had Watkins.

Rome wasn’t built in a day and Veach clearly didn’t approach last season like he was going all in. You can’t rebuild a defense in one offseason, so instead of pretending he could, Veach stayed patient and that approach got him a possible starting caliber corner in Ward.

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by In58men (Post 14070520)
Who cares, we moved on at the right time.
No, we didn't.

We moved on one year too late. If we had had a decent defense this year we would be playing in the Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

WE WOULD BE PLAYING IN THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR WITH A DECENT DEFENSE

BleedingRed 01-24-2019 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14070458)
That's what we said about Alex Smith last year. This stuff happens every year to a guy on the trade block. We may not get blue chip trade bait. But no, I don't think him being under contract is an obstacle. If a team wants him, and can't imagine why there wouldn't be interest, they're not going to wait for us to cut him. And the Chiefs are probably not above absorbing a 1 yr contract if it means getting a better trade, but I doubt it will come to that.
Please do not compare a QB to a player who doesn’t fit a teams scheme anymore

saphojunkie 01-24-2019 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14070531)
This is gonna be a 3 year suffering ending in a rusty womb scrape
No, it isn't.

mcaj22 01-24-2019 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14070517)
What you’re not getting is that doesn’t mean you go and try to get every “top guy” at that position. Veach goes after players, not positions.

Out of last years FA corners Veach liked Fuller. Do you really wish he would’ve settled for Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler?
He also liked David Amerson... first. Signed him as soon as he was cut by the Raiders in February. Then he liked Fuller, then nobody on Day 1 of the draft. Then realized his first love Amerson was a huge mistake a ran and got Scandrick and traded for Ward

So his CB haul last year was:

Amerson
Fuller
Tremon Smith
Scandrick
Ward

What grade does that get?

Hammock Parties 01-24-2019 06:39 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxt48CrU8AEafS9.jpg

New World Order 01-24-2019 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 14070527)
Can we some how lasso Patrick Peterson or Ramsey???? That would go a loooong wayas well
Spag likes to blitz. It would help immensely if we can land an elite corner

petegz28 01-24-2019 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14070540)
He also liked David Amerson... first. Signed him as soon as he was cut by the Raiders in February. Then he liked Fuller, then nobody on Day 1 of the draft. Then realized his first love Amerson was a huge mistake a ran and got Scandrick and traded for Ward

So his CB haul last year was:

Amerson
Fuller
Tremon Smith
Scandrick
Ward

What grade does that get?
Who should he have signed\traded for\drafted?

saphojunkie 01-24-2019 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14070411)
You think other teams don’t know we are not going to pay him. He has no place in a 4-3
This has nothing to do with anything.

stevieray 01-24-2019 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14070535)
No, we didn't.

We moved on one year too late. If we had had a decent defense this year we would be playing in the Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

WE WOULD BE PLAYING IN THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR WITH A DECENT DEFENSE
Ground Control to Major Tom....we would be playing in the SB if DF lines up properly.

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14070540)
He also liked David Amerson... first. Signed him as soon as he was cut by the Raiders in February. Then he liked Fuller, then nobody on Day 1 of the draft. Then realized his first love Amerson was a huge mistake a ran and got Scandrick and traded for Ward

So his CB haul last year was:

Amerson
Fuller
Tremon Smith
Scandrick
Ward

What grade does that get?
What should he have done? Who should he have added?

Fuller is a damn good NB and Ward looks like he could be a good starter. It wasn’t nearly as bad as you’re making it out to be.

Also, who the **** really cares that he signed Amerson? The guy didn’t play a ****ing meaningful down for us. Get over it.

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:43 PM
Prince Amukamara is probably the only free agent corner that would’ve made this defense better at a reasonable price.

The only problem is the guy hasn’t played 16 games more than once in his career.

petegz28 01-24-2019 06:44 PM
Can he put a defense on the field that doesn't give up 20+ yards a play in prevent?

Can he put a defense on the field that doesn't give up 8+ yards a carry?

Can he put a defense on the field that can stop 3rd & 10 at least 1 out of 3 times?

If so, he is light years ahead of where we were this season

ChiefoftheKeyboard 01-24-2019 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14070540)
He also liked David Amerson... first. Signed him as soon as he was cut by the Raiders in February. Then he liked Fuller, then nobody on Day 1 of the draft. Then realized his first love Amerson was a huge mistake a ran and got Scandrick and traded for Ward

So his CB haul last year was:

Amerson
Fuller
Tremon Smith
Scandrick
Ward

What grade does that get?
You gotta realize these guys were playing for Sutton. We may not know fully what we have in fuller and Ward. Amersons contract was created to be real low risk and we were able to release him with not much wasted. Smith was brought in to be a returner until he learned the defense, wasn’t meant to have a large role. Scandrick was a patchwork signing that I’d imagine Sutton had something to do with, seeing as how reid had to make a change Sutton wasn’t willing to do bc he hates playing young players.

New World Order 01-24-2019 06:48 PM
Ward looks like a pretty good pickup

staylor26 01-24-2019 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14070563)
Ward looks like a pretty good pickup
And if we go sign a Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler we’re still sitting here wondering about the future at that position with no Sammy Watkins.

Instead, Veach was patient/selective, continued to look for upgrades and we went from Amerson to Scandrick to Ward.

Now, we can either draft or sign a corner and if Ward wasn’t a fluke you’ve revamped your CB group in two offseasons in a cost effective manner.

ChiefoftheKeyboard 01-24-2019 06:51 PM
Let Nelson walk. Stick with ward and fuller. Let smith keep developing and draft a CB in the top two rounds. Outside of that bring in a vet on a cheap contract chasing a ring who’s familiar with spag

RunKC 01-24-2019 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14070529)
Good for him. When you end up with ****ing trash like Amerson, Scandrick, and Parker with starting roles in your secondary you have completely screwed the pooch somewhere along the way.
Kendall Fuller, Charvarious Ward, Jordan Lucas. How ‘bout those guys?

It’s not Veach’s fault that Sutton was hellbent on keeping Parker on the field. It’s also not Veach’s fault that his gameplanning sucked complete ass and was incredibly difficult to learn for everyone.

JakeF 01-24-2019 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14070551)
Ground Control to Major Tom....we would be playing in the SB if DF lines up properly.
Fair point.

So if Spagnuolo was just a little better than Sutton. Just better enough to have a disciplined defense. A defense that doesn't make stupid penalties and we're in the super bowl.

Steron 01-24-2019 06:53 PM
In with the new guy same as the old guy. I mean, why interview college talent when you can have a Reid yes-man? Jesus. At least make it look like your are looking. I'm sick of the recycled slapdicks.

TribalElder 01-24-2019 06:53 PM
His last 4 seasons as a DC:

Total Defense - 32nd, 32nd, 21st, 31st
Scoring Defense - 31st, 30th, 2nd, 27th
Rushing Defense YPG - 32nd, 24th, 3rd, 27th
Passing Defense YPG - 31st, 32nd, 23rd, 31st

ChiefoftheKeyboard 01-24-2019 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steron (Post 14070579)
In with the new guy same as the old guy. I mean, why interview college talent when you can have a Reid yes-man? Jesus. At least make it look like your are looking. I'm sick of the recycled slapdicks.
I’m not a huge fan of this hire but this dude shut down brady twice in the SB when they had a way better offense than what they have now. He ran a terrible saints defense after the staff was suspended for a targeting scandal. Rams had trash when he got hired. That doesn’t tell the whole story.

keg in kc 01-24-2019 06:57 PM
It took us 25 years to move on from niners retreads behind center. How long will it take us to stop signing retread failed defensive coordinators?

TRR 01-24-2019 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14070580)
His last 4 seasons as a DC:

Total Defense - 32nd, 32nd, 21st, 31st
Scoring Defense - 31st, 30th, 2nd, 27th
Rushing Defense YPG - 32nd, 24th, 3rd, 27th
Passing Defense YPG - 31st, 32nd, 23rd, 31st
Seems convenient for you to leave out his earlier work.

ChiefoftheKeyboard 01-24-2019 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14070587)
It took us 25 years to move on from niners retreads behind center. How long will it take us to stop signing retread failed defensive coordinators?
Can a change of scenery not bring back the coach that stopped brady twice? I wouldn’t rule it out. His situations the past 3 stops we’re terrible

ChiefoftheKeyboard 01-24-2019 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14070580)
His last 4 seasons as a DC:

Total Defense - 32nd, 32nd, 21st, 31st
Scoring Defense - 31st, 30th, 2nd, 27th
Rushing Defense YPG - 32nd, 24th, 3rd, 27th
Passing Defense YPG - 31st, 32nd, 23rd, 31st
He took over for a team going thru a targeting scandal and dumbass Ben Mcadoo’s mess. Include that in your stats

JakeF 01-24-2019 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Steron (Post 14070579)
In with the new guy same as the old guy. I mean, why interview college talent when you can have a Reid yes-man? Jesus. At least make it look like your are looking. I'm sick of the recycled slapdicks.
That's what people are really afraid of.

I imagine Andy even interviewed one of our black coaches to fulfill the Rooney rule. Nothing like doing the bare minimum to find a new coach.

wazu 01-24-2019 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefoftheKeyboard (Post 14070595)
He took over for a team going thru a targeting scandal and dumbass Ben Mcadoo’s mess. Include that in your stats
Glad he has good excuses.

RunKC 01-24-2019 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14070529)
Good for him. When you end up with ****ing trash like Amerson, Scandrick, and Parker with starting roles in your secondary you have completely screwed the pooch somewhere along the way.
Or the secondary market was AWFUL last year.

Trumaine Johnson, Malcolm Butler, Bashaud Breeland, EJ Gaines, Rahsaan Melvin.

Not one of those ****ers was worth spending money on and we all know that. The safety market was trash too.

Chief Roundup 01-24-2019 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14070575)
Kendall Fuller, Charvarious Ward, Jordan Lucas. How ‘bout those guys?

It’s not Veach’s fault that Sutton was hellbent on keeping Parker on the field. It’s also not Veach’s fault that his gameplanning sucked complete ass and was incredibly difficult to learn for everyone.
Don't forget Armani Watts. He was starting to flash good things before the injury.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-24-2019 07:05 PM
Any good cornerbacks on the market this year?

ChiefoftheKeyboard 01-24-2019 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14070598)
That's what people are really afraid of.

I imagine Andy even interviewed one of our black coaches to fulfill the Rooney rule. Nothing like doing the bare minimum to find a new coach.
That or he just had a plan in place and stuck with it. I’m not a huge fan of the hire but based on last years draft, the signing of hitchens and the swiftness of the change they CLEARLY thought it through.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-24-2019 07:06 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I feel that his leadership skills and teaching abilities, combined with his scheme, will be a great fit for our team as we move forward.”<br><br>- Andy Reid on new <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ DC Steve Spagnuolo.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1088599243819044865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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