I don't think they suck. I do believe they are capable of more than they shown and some of that is on the coaches.

One of the issues, as pointed out in this thread, is that Carr seems to have flat lined. He also has a WR that can't catch the ball in big moments.

They do have a very good offensive line that gets paid a ton. Is that a cap issue for them going forward?

I wouldn't be surprised to see them adjust and be a wildcard team next year but I would still put them behind LA.

I smell another coaching change.

For us I hope they don't. Del Rio is terrible and should stay put.

Threetard is a simpleton. You're wasting any and all time trying to intelligently explain things to him.

Doug Peterson/Matt Nagy. 2 QB’s who started at offensive quality control and became HC candidates.

Mike Kafka was hired as offensive quality control this year. Could see him being OC in a couple years.

Anybody who looks at 2016 film for Carr would understand he can be elite. Lets pray Mark "Dumb and dumber" Davis doesnt realise JDR is Carrs cryptonite....

He has to have elite talent surrounding him

I don't see it. Chuck and duck has never impressed me. Dude has always cracked under any pressure.

I think part of it is injuries but part of it is defenses have adjusted to Carr. Oakland’s coaches just aren’t good enough to develop talent and make players like Carr better.

[QUOTE=PunkinDrublic;13313851]I think part of it is injuries but part of it is defenses have adjusted to Carr. Oakland’s coaches just aren’t good enough to develop talent and make players like Carr better.[/QUOTE]

This part is 100% true. The offensive staff in Oakland is horrible. Our defense has played so much better since KNJ was fired it's just another point against JDR as HC for not having done it last offseason when we hired Pagano. I'm pretty sure it was JDR's decision to go with Downing as OC as well. JDR makes the right decision on those two coaching choices and the Raiders are a 12 win team again this year.

You would think if any fanbase understood the value of good coaching it would be KC...but apparently not. Carr is suffering from a terrible offensive staff. Musgrave wasn't great, but at least he didn't hold back Carr or the passing game.

I was truly surprised when Al axed Cable. He had flaws, but there was NO question that he was 100% Raider coach material.

(Insert obligatory OAK/LV insult here)

LMAO at the idea that the Raiders were ever going 12-4.. I called 9-7 before the season started and somehow that wasn't even bad enough.

They've got some promising young talent, but they won a ton of games by the skin of their tongue in '16. All of them in fact. Can't be that lucky every year.

Raiders Coaching Staff Reportedly Turned on Derek Carr During Loss vs. Chiefs

Derek Carr was a Pro Bowler in 2015 and 2016, but he apparently lost the support of his coaching staff this season.
Oakland Raiders broadcaster Greg Papa explained on his radio show Tuesday that the coaches ripped the quarterback during a team meeting after Week 14.
"This coaching staff turned on Derek Carr as well," Papa said, via Karl Buscheck of 95.7 The Game. "After the Kansas City game they called him out in front of a whole team meeting. It wasn’t just the offense or the quarterbacks, [or] a segment of the team. It was the whole team. And they ripped him in front of everybody and Derek’s a prideful guy."
Carr had two interceptions in the 26-15 loss to the Chiefs, which became the beginning of the end for the Raiders season. Oakland lost its final four games to drop to 6-10, averaging just 13 points scored per game in this stretch.
The 26-year-old quarterback—who signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension in the offseason—produced an 86.4 rating this year after finishing with a 96.7 mark last season.
Oakland fired head coach Jack Del Rio and is expected to replace him with ESPN announcer Jon*Gruden, per ESPN's*Adam*Schefter.
The Raiders finished in the top 10 in points scored three times in four years with*Grudenat the helm from 1998 to 2001, so they will hope he can get the most out of Carr in 2018 and beyond.

So Carr is a prideful guy and cant take criticism? You are far and away the highest paid player on the team, take some responsibility and own your weak performance.

UhOh

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t see Gruden and Carr as a great fit other then the huge improvement in scheme he will bring. Opposites don’t attract in this case <a href="https://t.co/iTa1Y4dCnY">https://t.co/iTa1Y4dCnY</a></p>&mdash; Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/948919556235579398?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Derek Carr is 4-17 against playoff teams in his career.

If the O scheme is good then there won't be any off the field trouble.

That is the hallmark of a crap coaching staff. Same stuff AS 11 dealt with in SF. Mike Nolan, Singletary, Jimmy Raye...all effing clueless when it comes to developing a passing game. Their unsophisticated crap gets exposed by any competent NFL defense, and instead of accepting responsibility for not having evolved into a modern NFL offense -- an offense that keeps the defense honest and on its heels -- they look for scapegoats. I literally hate the old school mentality across the NFL that a good QB should be able to overcome a crappy OC or game plan. How many times do we need to see guys like Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay come in and mold QBs into pro bowl quality players for the average fan to understand that coaching is critical for the development of these QBs? Heck, even AS 11 was molded into a pro bowl level QB after 6+ years of playing like crap. Carr is as talented a QB as there is in the league...look out if the Raiders ever hire an OC who is not a moron.

No matter the scheme...pressure him and he shits all over the field

Derek Carr=Kirk Cousins

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Carr is more talented with higher upside.

Bullshit. Both are overrated stat whores.

This.

I don’t understand why so many people think getting Chucky is going to change that. The overall #’s and production will be better, but he’s still going to struggle when you pressure him consistently.

News flash...most QBs struggle when you pressure them consistently, or don't you remember Brady in the first season game?

This wasn't always true. Something about getting the stuffing kicked out of you because you have no receivers open can tend to make some QBs shellshocked.

"The Raiders’ second-year signal caller leads the NFL with a passer rating of 131.8 against blitzes, according to the football analysis website Pro Football Focus. His rating is 36.7 better facing a blitz then not, the highest positive gap in the league by a wide margin."

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraider...22674560546875

So some QB’s don’t deal better with pressure better than others?

Fake stats. Watch the damn games. He sucks against pressure.

This is why I hate how people use stats to create false narratives. Who the **** said anything about “against the blitz” in particular?

This idiot doesn’t realize that you can create pressure without blitzing.

Which accounts for how many teams around the league? Outside of Jacksonville, who creates consistent pressure without blitzing? And, I never said that Carr was great with pressure, but there is lots of evidence that he has successfully beaten pressure in the past. He's not the tinsel tower that David Carr was

The Raiders led the league in dropped passes.

Carr will be back.

Due to his inaccurate throws...

Some of his throws this season were worse than anything Alex has thrown.

Gif some Carr throws.

Funny how homers here say Carr buckles under pressure... Mahommes doesn't even get set on his drop back before he starts rolling out under pressure yet he's a HOF future QB.. lol

Why even call a play with Mahommes? in 2 steps the play is dead and it becomes sandlot football

The Chiefs 2nd and 3rd stringers went to Denver and faced the #2 defense in the NFL and with Mahomes under center, shredded them.

You're not even a funny troll. You're just a butt****ing moron.

**** THAT SHIT.

Put your guard up because the only coach in the division that could truly out-game Reid is about to strut in to Las Vegas.

This is NOT good news.

AT ALL.

My only solace in this matter is knowing for a stone-cold FACT that the Chiefs possess a QB with potential to eclipse the faults of BOTH of these coaches.

If anyone is taking this lightly, you are a goddamned FOOL.

You.... Mr NachoDamas..You know all this seeing Mr. Sandlot after one game?

You mean in Mahomes' first ever NFL start? In Denver no less...

Carr does buckle under pressure and he's had several years of starts and he's just as jittery as he was his rookie year when the heat comes - in fact he's worse now.

Just admit your boy got his leg & back broke so now he's skittish. He'll never be the same QB he was before he broke his leg.

Have an example of this vs. Denver?

Your and idiot.

Yerah Be Grand
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@Cianaf
The QB who had the most intereptable passes in the NFL last year threw 36.
5:54 PM - Apr 12, 2018

https://mobile.twitter.com/Cianaf/st...50290056593409

Eye opening breakdown of just how bad Carr was last year. Good luck Chucky!

36 JFC ROFL

But I heard he was a Franchise quarterback? He is sure paid like it.

He's Cousins 2.0. Stat whore that will never win anything.

Derek Carr ****ing sucks
 

Kendall Fuller likes Carr.

https://youtu.be/IzqTi5mbBh0


Tre Boston would be a nice addition since Carr likes to throw him the ball.

https://youtu.be/jiSMHMTzk08

The Chiefs love him.

https://youtu.be/nfenNl4cjAg

Derek Carr ****ing sucks
 

Classic!

https://youtu.be/JR8HhRLNX-E
https://youtu.be/vBPQyTprSF0

This may be eye-opening news, but the NFL pays shitty QB's big money.

Pass it on!

LMAO

I don't understand that pass. College QBs would be ridiculed for it during the lowlights, and that assclown did it on MNF.

Carr looks like he is finished. Plays scared as he'll.

Just down right embarrassing for Carr tonight- I actually thought the Raiders effort and game plan was pretty good tonight but as the game went on Carr got worse. The INT and happy feet were lowlights- just an inability to stand in the pocket and deliver the football with any pressure.

Trash ass

AFC West QBs who haven't thrown 3 interceptions

Patrick Mahomes
Phillip Rivers

I remember Clay flying into several threads to defend this ****ing clown.

Derek Carr will set the franchise back a decade. Not just because of what they're paying him, but they're pot committed. They moved Mack to keep this guy.

He'll go down in Raider lore as a mistake on par with Matt Cassel.

Carrbage

Paid the wrong guy!

How much are they on the hook for if they cut him?

Eagerly F5ing waiting for a gif of that duck.

Which one? There were at least three very ugly ones tonight, lol

He isn’t good when his OL struggles. Sucks under pressure

I could have sworn you were praising Carr as the best AFC West QB last year.

I'm off the Carr wagon. I liked his aggressiveness in year 2 but he's been a god damn disappointment and you can tell tonight that Gruden isn't confident in him.

AFC West quarterbacks with zero interceptions

Patrick Mahomes

AFC quarterbacks with 4 TD passes week 1

Patrick Mahomes

Carr has never been the same since his leg got snapped. Probably scarred him for the rest of his playing career.

Shut the **** up, Tiger.

Look at this old Raider article ranking AFC West QBs

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/...on-quarterback

Carr too high

ROFL

And we beat Old Man Rivers in his own house. Yet our own fans downplay it!

I don't really much raider games, but the past few years everytime they play kc I leave wondering what's so great about this guy that analysts are infatuated with him

Gruden didn't load up on draft picks to not draft his own QB

Lol

I'm actually going to second this claim...

Every post from you (said party in quote) seems to defend Alex Smith...

Move on, go away...

We don't want you anymore

Sorry on my phone

AFC West QB's that haven't thrown a single INT.

Patrick Mahomes

Carr is 4-18 against playoff teams.

Where have I defended Alex Smith in the lounge? ALl i've said is quit comparing him to Patrick to prove his greatness cause y'all sound so petty when you do. You have some seroius ptsd issues

Again, I find it funny you are ragging on the guy you were saying would be the sole reason his team was going to dominate the divison a year ago. I don't get it. You like him or not?

Shut the **** up, Tiger.

Yes, or no? Were you cradling Carr's balls less than a year ago? Or are you going to keep deflecting?