You never know about the Browns. I don't know if there is an out for them in Griffins contract or not just know they are raving about him and what plans they have etc. You just don't draft a guy that high to set for a year or two anymore.

I am not a fan of the Bradford/Daniel signings per say but I don't see any organization as willing to invest that much into the QB position and the #8 overall in year 1 of a new staff.

Eagles surely wouldn't rely on Bradford/Daniel over a guy like Lynch.
Saints knows Bree's is 37 this year.
Rams aren't starting Case ****ing Keenum
Jets have Geno (LOL) and nothing else. They also know Fitzpatrick is a filler

It's difficult to see Lynch fall past all those teams. And that's not counting a team like Denver or Dallas trading up to get him

So I am a moron bc I don't like Lynch?? Oh no, somebody has a deferring opinion on a QB he must be a moron.

Once again I think KC needs to draft a QB. All I am saying is that you guys are getting your hopes up and no way KC gets Lynch. Too many QB hungry teams ahead of you.

Really bro?? Attacking me in another thread. I learned my lesson here guys. If you have deferring opinion on something don't post it bc on this messageboard.

Once again same goddamn story except one had more details

I would trust that he's seen more of Lynch live than we have. He's from Bowling Green and Memphis played at BG this year

He also played at KU this year...

The Chiefs sent scouts to most of, if not all of Paxton Lynches games according to Dan Patrick.

That's a lot of resources to spend on one player.

That's not just "due diligence" ...that's genuine interest.

I was at the game.. He missed right open WRs several times. Also looked scared in the pocket. Things you can't see on TV. He had good stats but lets face it BG isn't exactly a powerhouse

He needs to sit and develop

I did not know that.. Well if he falls you guys might just take him. As long as he sits a few years.. Isn't Alex's contract up in a couple years??

He threw for over 300 yards with no ints that week.

He did the same the previous week against KU [which I was at].

Certainly not on defense.

I've seen him in games on TV a few times and never came away thinking he was scared in the pocket. Quite the contrary. He seems poised and does well moving around to buy time.

What made you come away thinking he was playing scared from watching him live?

Show me where anyone has said anything other than drafting him and letting him sit and develop.

Ok. Well the 0 people who attended KU games this year will be able to weigh in equally as well.

We talking about the Bowling Green game where he went 29 of 40 for 386 yards with 3 TDs and no INTs?

I attended the KU game.

He attended the BG game.

He has one opinion.

I have one opinion.

I missed the part where he represents the entire following of BG...?

Exactly...

I don't think he really watched the game.

In this game.. ONLY game I saw live and in person. If BG DL made a push at all he would quickly dump it off even though he had guys coming open past 10 yards. He also rarely took his eyes off the dump off receivers. He was very conservative with his passes. He looked like he was always expecting pressure even if it wasn't there. Most of his big plays came from when he left pocket early and someone slipped open bc they caught BG playing flat footed.

Maybe I am passing judgment based on one game.
I have watched several QBs come in and light us up more than he did. His stats were good but I was expecting more against our bad secondary other than dumpoffs. Was it bc he doesn't trust his WRs.

I have watched tape where he looks great. But seeing him person I thought he would different. At one point I had him as my #1 QB.

I think he could develop into a good QB. On that note he is great at rolling out.

To be fair, I saw several BG games last year and have seen many over the last several years. After Clawson left their defense went in the shitter. It was never Power 5 good, but it was respectable at times. Dino Babers installed an Air Raid system, and although they scored a ton of points and racked up a lot of yards, their D was an atrocity.

I would call this the Baylor Corollary: A college QB can put up good stats against a bad defense and still play a pretty shitty game.

ESPN piece this morning did not do Lynch any favors when it came to his ability to pre-snap identify the defense.

If the plan is to draft him and have him develop then yes it is a good pick.. if the goal is to draft him and have him come in and start year 1 or 2 then it is a bad idea.

This... almost every QB comes in a puts up a lot of yards up against us. For 2 reasons. 1. Offense scores fast or gets off field quickly. 2. Our secondary is really bad.

As a guy who attended BG you come in and expect the opposing QB to have a career day

Have you not been reading? That's been the plan all along.

It was weird, as soon as he left the pocket his confidence seemed to rise and he turned into a beast. Maybe that is why he escaped clean pockets. Also I must say he has sneaky athleticism. I am going to go back and watch the game. In person you miss certain things but notice certain things like him missing a streaking WR.

If KC gets him I will root for him.

Well that changes things.. I saw a lot of people saying that you need a upgrade at QB. Which I took as people wanting to draft Lynch and have him start right away.

Nope. We need an upgrade at QB....but not until Lynch sits and develops. Smith can hold down the fort for another couple of years.

ok that makes sense.. I took this thread as a lets replace Smith now thread. With all the hate for Smith on this board, I always assume that.

My entire argument was he is not ready to come in and start. That would actually hurt your Super Bowl chances. Under the right QB and coach he develop into a good QB. If he starts before year 3 he will be a bust

I would still draft Jackson if he is there at #28.

All right guys I went and watched the BG game and will admit I was wrong on a few things. Was correct on the fact that he threw dumpoffs when he had guys open.

Now I can see that a lot of the plays where I thought were him escaping pocket too soon were actually designed roll outs. They just took long to develop. 2. A lot of those dumpoffs were designed.

I will no longer break down a game by sitting in the student section at BG. Which leaves a lot of blind spots since it's so close to the field at basically on the 25 yard line.

That being said something's were accurate. Him missing open receivers coming open and choosing dumpoffs. Should have thrown a couple interceptions. Also he didn't throw ball down field much. Which is BGs biggest weakness. Don't know if that was bad coaching or him missing guys. I do remember seeing WRs with 5 yards of separation streaking down the field and him dumping it off

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...ing-at-pro-day

2016 NFL Draft: Lynch powers through strong winds, impressing at pro day
By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
April 6, 2016 10:47 am PT

Despite howling crosswinds in the 30-40 miles per hour range, Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch was on point and impressed during his 75+ throw pro day on Wednesday.

Originally scheduled for 1 p.m. on the Tigers' practice field, the scripted throwing session was moved up half an hour due to the violent winds. However, the strong gusts were no match for Lynch's rocket arm strength as he showed off his power velocity to all levels of the field from flat-outs to deep posts. The Memphis wide receivers didn't do him many favors with several drops, but for the most part Lynch's passes were accurate and gave his targets a chance to make plays. When one of his throws was off-target, it was due to slight issues with his footwork.

Lynch has light feet and showed that on boots and rollouts, but his stride mechanics were not as crisp, which led to some placement issues. And that matches the tape. Lynch has all the physical traits from a size/arm strength/mobility perspective, but the technique is still a work-in-progress. And it starts from the ground up, refining his footwork and then tweaking his hips and shoulders to properly deliver strikes.

“I feel very confident from where I was to where I am now (since Combine),” said Lynch after his workout about his footwork. “I just wanted to show these teams what I could do in the short amount of time.”

There were 26 teams on-hand for the workout, including San Diego Chargers offensive coordinator Ken Wisenhunt, Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Greg Roman and several quarterback coaches from around the league. According to several reports, the Bills, who currently own the No. 19 selection in the first round, dined with Lynch Tuesday night.

Lynch measured 6-6 5/8-inches and 244 pounds with 34 1/4-inch hands. He focused on throwing at the pro day, standing on most of his numbers from the NFL Combine, including a 4.86 40-yard dash. Lynch also had impressive numbers in the vertical (36-inches), broad jump (9-feet-10), short shuttle (4.26) and three-cone drill (7.14).

It wasn't an ideal setting due to the weather, but Lynch didn't allow the elements to disrupt his workout and secured his spot as one of the top-three quarterbacks in this draft class. Where will he land on draft day? That's the mystery, but it will be tough for a quarterback-needy team in the mid-first round, like the Los Angeles Rams, to pass on his talent.

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There's no chance this guy makes it to #28.

Agreed Dane. Even if he somehow gets into the 20's, the Broncos will trade up to secure him IMO.

I'm guessing they all go in the top 12ish range.

I don't see how he gets past the Rams. He visited Philly a few days ago and went out to dinner with the owner and Pederson so I won't be shocked if they take him at #8. With San Diego at his workout, it probably wouldn't be shocking to see him taken at #3, as they don't have another QB on the roster besides Rivers, who's 34 years old.

The Broncos will be stuck with Dak Prescott or Connor Cook.

He makes too much sense for the Rams not to take him. New city, new QB.

Lynch and Gurley would bring some excitement.

Yep. If the Eagles don't want him, the Rams have the ammo to move up and grab him at #8.

First Round Order:
1. Tennessee Titans 3-13
2. Cleveland Browns 3-13
3. San Diego Chargers 4-12
4. Dallas Cowboys 4-12
5. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
6. Baltimore Ravens 5-11
7. San Francisco 49ers 5-11
8. Miami Dolphins 6-10
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6-10
10. New York Giants 6-10
11. Chicago Bears 6-10
12. New Orleans Saints 7-9
13. Philadelphia Eagles 7-9
14. Oakland Raiders 7-9
15. Los Angeles Rams 7-9
16. Detroit Lions 7-9
17. Atlanta Falcons 8-8
18. Indianapolis Colts 8-8
19. Buffalo Bills 8-8
20. New York Jets 10-6
21. Washington Redskins 9-7
22. Houston Texans 9-7
23. Minnesota Vikings 11-5
24. Cincinnati Bengals 12-4
25. Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6
26. Seattle Seahawks 10-6
27. Green Bay Packers 10-6
28. Kansas City Chiefs 11-5
29. Arizona Cardinals 13-3
30. Carolina Panthers 15-1
31. Denver Broncos 12-4

First Round Order- only teams in QB market:

2. Cleveland Browns 3-13
4. Dallas Cowboys 4-12
7. San Francisco 49ers 5-11
13. Philadelphia Eagles 7-9
15. Los Angeles Rams 7-9
19. Buffalo Bills 8-8
20. New York Jets 10-6
28. Kansas City Chiefs 11-5
31. Denver Broncos 12-4

If I'm looking at the teams needing QBs, that's the demand... will be interesting to see what happens and which QBs fall beyond #7. That's when trades will spike if the talent is there.

Eagles will take Lynch if he's there IMO.

Why are the Chiefs in the Qb market and the Cardinals arent'

Honestly, I would have left them out... but I know everyone here has wood for Paxton and would flame away had I left them out.

I think Denver has to hope he makes it past 20, that's really the only way they can find a way to trade up and not move a number of picks.

Oh, yeah you're right.

It's a weird year for qb teams and possibilities.

Dallas could take one with romo, SD may look around.

Should be an entertaining night

Why would Denver be interested in Osweiler 2.0 in the first round...

Well, they just offered osweiler 1.0 alot of money and are currently set to start mark Sanchez.

So I'd imagine they'd be interested and yet here I am trying to conversate with bob. Man, what the hell happened to me

The Eagles draft 8 and the Dolphins draft 13.

If it were true, the Chargers made a mistake bot trading rivers to the titans for mariota

They're a dumb organization to begin with

Your teams for #8 and #13 need swapped.

Picks 2,3 and 4 could be some shockers to people.
At #2 is the Browns, is that not fitting, they will likely take the top QB. The RGIII signing gives the possibility of them going a different direction though they are the Browns after all.
At #3 the Chargers are one year removed from talk of trying to get rid of Phyllis and moving in another direction. I doubt they go QB though.
At #4 if no QB is gone then Bosa is likely off the board so the Cowboys would likely draft one. It gets interesting if Bosa and their top QB is off the board.
At #7 the 49ers may feel stuck to Kaepernick and or Gabbert, LOL, or do they take Goff or Lynch if one or either is available.
At #8 I think both Wentz and Goff are off the board and the Eagles go a different direction. If one of those 2 QBs happen to be available to the Eagles I still think they trade out for addition picks.
At #15 the Rams could decide to improve the defense after the sever losses in the off season. Lynch is considered raw and the Rams will likely be drafting high again next season where they might have a better option.

Do the Browns, Cowboys are 49ers hope that Lynch or Cook falls to the end of the first round where they would consider a trade or to their 2cd round pick with Cook?

Ya, but whats the 5th round order?

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Jeff Driskel would be a real catch for the Broncos. All that would be needed is for Tebow to teach him how to pose on the sideline.

Did Paxton even have a solid showing against a decent team last year? He looked pretty bad against auburn , Houston, Navy and Temple. Coming from a terrible conference, is this not a huge red flag??

You had a bad showing against your uncle, but are still here...so who knows.

Yeah, I can't recall which site I pulled that from... it was dated last week and was the cleanest copy/paste. I didn't proof it, just figured with the date, they'd have the order correct.

good question...why are the Chiefs on the list? They have a QB right now that isn't going anywhere for awhile

Are you referring to my post? I already addressed it...

indeed you did...

One can only hope this team isn't dumb enough to not save $9.7M by cutting Smith after this season. It's my last hope for the future.

That is not going to happen. Andy loves Smith running his offense and I have a hard time believing they resigned some of our older vets just to cut Smith next season and start over with another QB.

He's either getting cut after this year or next. He isn't making it to 2018 without winning a SB, might as well rip the band aid off sooner rather than later.

They've got 2 young QBs on the roster that have been learning the ins and outs of the playbook for what will be 3+ years. I cant imagine they couldnt at least give you Alex Smith production numbers, if they don't like any rookie QBs.

Restructure smith would be my guess if he continues to play well

Are we defining well as "not ****ing shit up?"

Smith is playing out this contract and he's going to be top five in winning percentage with Brady, Wilson, Rodgers for the next few years

At the risk of raising the ire of positivity police, I say simply to you:

If drafting and developing a premium QB prospect is the hope of your future for KC, you might want to find a different hope and/or future.

I heard this on NFL Radio yesterday... is this accurate?

The last 'drafted QB' by the Chiefs to win a game for the Chiefs was Todd Blackledge. Is that accurate? It was from a segment with Gil Brandt and he's 120 years old, so who knows.

If true - damn.

Technically, Croyle was drafted. I think he won a game.

It's true, 100% accurate.

I thi k croyle was 0fer

Croyle never won a game as a starter in the NFL.

Gil Brandt is correct.

Nope

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Given what I heard from Lamar Jr. last night, I'd almost guarantee Reid finishes out the decade as the Chiefs' HC and will have the job as long as he wants it or doesn't crater out for consecutive seasons.

Should he not?

That's amazing... went to profootballreference and pulled it up, that would have been 9/13/1987 - KC vs SD. Wow.

Would you consider Philly's run from 2005 to 2012 worth having?

What about 99 thru 05?

Jim Johnson > Bob Sutton.. and that's not even a close comparison.

I won't bother mentioning the other key difference between the current Chiefs and the best of the Eagles in that stretch of time for obvious reasons, so draw your own conclusions.

3 straight winning seasons, 31 wins, building a young team through the draft and we have a coach whose taken teams to the Championship game 5X and a SB. This is what Clark wanted: a playoff caliber team on a regular basis like the Steelers.

Plus Andy gave us Dorsey, and he's been fantastic so far.

Given what I heard from his brother, they weren't looking for a HC that could have the Steelers' type of resume.

All they wanted was to not be the Browns; they don't want to be in a position where firing a coach is a possibility every two-three seasons and don't want to be cycling through QBs.

Damn. :shake:

Kiper said this morning on ESPN that Lynch is a 25-35 range prospect, and he's the ultimate draftnik

Umm no.

Mayock, the real ultimate draftnik, has it right. It starts at 15 with the Rams.

Starts at 8 with Doug Pederson and the Eagles. I can absolutely see him being taken by them.

What about Connor Cook?