Brandon Albert had signed his franchise tag...

But he hadn't reported correct? And he was told to find a trade correct? So the plan was for him not to be here at that time?

If I am wrong, I apologize, but im pretty sure that it was pretty much guaranteed to most that he wasn't coming back.....

Plans aren't reality.

Dorsey bet on Albert being gone and was dead wrong. As a result we have Alex Smith, and two LT's.

Shit. We have a 1.1 at RT. A 1.1 at QB. A 1.16 at LT. And a 2.2 and another pick traded away to get that QB. Don't know how I could expect our line and offense in general to look good. Especially the first number one pick in franchise history with a new regime. Don't know why I'd expect big things outta that guy.

That kind of masturbation sounds intense.

You are wrong. He didn't show to voluntary works, which got way to much attention. Why take the risk when your club hasn't shown a belief in you, and you're on a one year contract.

He wasn't told to find a trade, but it was rumored that the Chiefs were trying to find a suitor. Nobody knew the plan but the guys at One Arrowhead drive.

What? Brendan Albert was in Miami working on a contract with the Dolphins.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/4...fs-discussions

This above is about the Chiefs giving the Dolphins permission to speak with his agent.

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Haha, thank you Sorter...I haven't laughed like that in a long time.

Long time, no chat. How have you been, comrade?

Yes. The Chiefs worked out a possible trade which Albert didn't object to. They gave him the go ahead to negotiate a contact b/c the Dolphins would never agree to a trade for a player that wasn't under contract, or had already agreed to one.

That's all I was really saying, it was in limbo even after the draft. I am guessing, only guessing that they assumed that Brendan Albert would not be a Chief this year. Which would justify the drafting of Fisher at 1/1

Sorry for the confusion.

As soon as the trade failed they knew. If the trade hadn't happened by the time you pick, you have to assume it won't happen.

Fact is that high first round picks need to impact the win and loss column to be labeled a good pick and thus far, Eric Fisher has a very long ways to go before he is even considered a good player and has virtually no chance to play at a level high enough to be a big reason we win football games.

I know this statement will probably get ignored, but thus far this smells just like Cassel/Jackson.

In time, I EXPECT for people to be like "we should have drafted Tavon Austin, too bad nobody thought that at the time"

Just look at the 2009 draft.

Who wouldn't trade Tyson Jackson/Andre Smith/Eugene Monroe/Jason Smith for Percy Harvin or Jeremy Maclin...or Jarius Byrd...or Brian Orakpo...or...well, the point is made.

Those types of players impact games.

This is gonna be the exact same type of outcome where players like Tavon
Austin/Ansah/Milliner/Sheldon/Vaccaro are gonna be the guys getting paid big bucks in a few years while guys like Fisher/Joeckel/Johnson and others are lowballed in contract negotiations and will be low on the priority list because their positions offer little in terms of win/loss impact.

Just like this offseason where guys like Albert/Smith/Long/Smith/Winston/Clabo all either struggled to get paid a modest wage or were let walk for nothing.

The only way to salvage any part of this bad decision is to keep Albert and at least provide this team with a return of a run of 5 years with effective bookend offensive tackles...but no matter what it will be looked at as a somewhat wasted pick.

Just like the Tyson Jackson selection.

23 million fully guaranteed contract.

I believe I said that before, during and after the draft.

Anyway, as far as Fisher goes, he struggled in a preseason game where the entire o-line struggled. So what?

Didn't their GM get fired weeks later?

As did I. Shit, when I picked Tavon 8th overall in the CP mock some called it a big reach and I countered saying "you can never take a playmaker or a quarterback you believe in too high"

As far as Fisher goes, it doesn't bother me that he has struggled...it bothers me that he hasn't even flashed top tier ability in practice or in his 2 preseason games.

I can understand him struggling to hold blocks due to his injured thumb...I know personally how big a difference that alone can make to a blocker...what concerns me more is the mental mistakes and the lacking power in his game for being taken so high.

I really hope he starts to make strides once the thumb heals and honestly I think he will...but at this point the question begs to be asked...

Has the damage that's been done to his hand been worsened by keeping him in action and how long should we expect to wait until we see a good player out there that we spent the top pick in the draft on?

Will it be ok by week one?

Week 3?

4?
5?


The bye?

He's a freaking offensive tackle. We're not going to get a lot of "flash". We'll notice him when he ****s up, and we'll notice him when he plows somebody downfield on a misdirection or a screen. The other 99% of the time we'll forget he's even there. Hopefully.

Sexy pick, ain't it.

I think there were larger issues with the o-line this week. They all looked out of synch. Which probably shouldn't be a surprise at this point with all the changes. Hopefully they're gelled by week 1.

didnt need pff to know he had a bad game, just watch the game. lol

He should get better as he gets more experience. Still hated the pick though

small minds and all that shit....

I think we mostly see eye to eye on this. The part we disagree on is where Fisher should be at this point AS THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE DRAFT.

I guess I have higher expectations for the pick.

I expect to see him just maul second stringers to death occasionally. A couple times a game I'd like to see him win lopsided 1on1 battles and I just haven't seen that even one play.

Not in ps
Not with my own eyes in camp

Nothing.

In fact, to the contrary, I HAVE seen him get blown up more than a few times

Against starters in a game
Against backups in a game
Against starters in practice
Against backups in practice
Against SCRUBS in practice that got cut from 2 win football teams he got "walked like a dog"

Does any of this mean he will be a bust or even close to it?

No

Should all of this be a huge red flag early in his career?

Yes, and to ignore these signs would be just as bad as calling him a bust.

Haha

Ironic

Pablo gets it...you on the other hand...

Maybe this is over simplifying, but could some of the problems this team has and is facing be solved if they would draft a player and, oh, maybe let him play the position he played in college? If it were up to me, I'd draft corners to play cornerback, left tackles to play left tackle, and so on.

Fisher was a LT playing RT
Hudson was a Guard playing Center
Jeff Allen was a LT playing Guard
Albert was a Guard playing LT

lol

oh and I said this a year ago, but Jeff Allen still sucks. Cut him.

You guys are too hung up on Fisher being the #1 overall pick. The fact is, the top of this draft sucked and you would have probably been disappointed with whoever you drafted at #1 this year. There was no Von, Luck or Clowney in this draft.

Didn't I start a thread on this earlier?

oh, I disagree. There are a couple of guys that could be Von esque...


Dion Jordan, Jarvis Jones, Barkevious Mingo.

The problem is, when you already have Tamba Hali, and Justin Houston, how do you justify taking that when you just told your stud offensive tackle to seek a trade?

Yep.

They couldn't justify it. This was a bad year to pick #1 overall. And I don't think any one of those guys are comparable to Von, Von ran a 4.46 40 at 240 pounds LMAO. The guy is a freak of nature.

Very true, but IMHO, Brandon Albert is far from being a stud which is why he was available in the first place and why the Fins would not offer a high pick this year - even after they let their stud LT walk.

I didn't even notice this, but apparently someones bible when it comes to stats, rated him as the 25th best tackle.


but, I have heard he was God, and was supposedly rated in the top 5 of O TACKLES in the game. But yet, while alex smith played like SHIT, I saw him watch a corner come over him on a blitz, and he didn't pick him up at all, even though he had no one to block.

Again. Not defending Alex Smith. But there is no equal Librium here. You cant just say, yeah, the entire offense played like shit.

And it did. Every single olinemen got their ass handed to them repeatedly. Alex Smith threw bad passes, targets dropped passes, backs missed blitz pick ups, and essentially the entire Chiefs offense looked like ass. No. We have to say it was one guy, and blame one thing.....

Its stupid myopic logic. but yet, its the Pro Alex guys who get crushed. Because no one else can be blamed. Its really stupid stupid stupid logic.

i would have taken the best CB or Safety at this point

we could have used Milliner

who cares if its taking a CB at 1

I don't know about safety. Kenny Vacarro was considered the best safety, but yeah, Milliner could of been an option.

No there isn't.

CB at 1.1 still makes more sense than RT at 1.1.

I agree.

Thought Fischer had a bad game, but I don't think it was as bad as PFF made it out to be. He was a meh first overall pick in an underwhelming draft. Part of being the chiefs organization is getting the first overall pick the year after draft with quarterbacks like Andrew Luck and RGIII. I'll save my judgement for a little while.

Not if you are trying to trade your LT.

Tackle at #1 makes no sense. Period.

Unless you are a team with literally no holes anywhere and are in no way needing a playmaker then I guess go ahead and throw the #1 pick away on a tackle, but, of course, if you are a team with no holes and in no way of needing a playmaker you aren't picking #1.

You are going to verbally assault me either way, so it is what it is. But, 3 of the first four picks in the draft, were offensive tackles. It clearly was the thought process of a lot of teams in the draft. Not only that, but with a Guard going at 7, and 10, and another tackle at 12, you are looking at 7 of the first 12 picks being linemen. It was a linemen heavy draft, with the other positions being pass rushers which the chiefs didn't see as a need.

Its not ideally the pick you want. Of course the Chiefs would rather of had a true qb worth taking at one. They just didn't see it.

They were ****ed. No one wanted to trade up.....It sucked ass.

Ahhhh. The current cesspool of the NFL decided to all be idiots and take tackles atop the draft. And you wonder why they are who they are.

**** the playmakers! I want to have one of the best tackles in the game like the Browns!

lol, well yah.

Why do you got to bring my browns and their senior citizen qb into this man.

LOW BLOW.....

Can't wait for that Chiefs/Jags AFC Championship here in a couple of years.

Let's just give both the lines time to gel and it's ****ing on!!

And it wouldn't be shocking in the slightest if all three of those teams miss the playoffs again. Any non-playmaker is a waste of a top-5 pick, period. Even if Fisher or Joeckel turns out to be the second coming of Orlando freaking Pace, I'd still rather pick a playmaker.

Im sure given the fact that today they traded Baldwin, I bet if they could go back you would have to think that Tavon Austin would of been a consideration.

I'm far more concerned w/ C & LG than Fisher @RT. I'm deifnitely not going to overreact they were out of sync vs one of the premeir defensive from 7s in football in the 2nd pre-season game. Let's wait to panic until after Week2 at least, when Dallas runs up 40 points in our home opener and the fan-o-meter can't peg 50+ after the 1st quarter.

Watch the game dumbass. This isn't a "they" issue. Fisher was beat repeatedly in one on one situations by 2nd string players.

We aren't throwing a fit b/c of sacks and pressure. If you paid any attention at all, you would know that was a product of the 49ers blitzing all night. Not picking up blitzes is a coaching problem, not necessarily a player problem. Especially when the entire oline failed to pick them up. Coaches need to get that sorted out.

The 49ers' second string players are "premiere"?

God, you are just a mental midget, aren't you?

Who's got it better than us?!

First person that says "The ravens" is gay. Gay! Gay! Gay! lol

But seriously, Fisher should be fine.

He was just going up against some Hungry, Hungry, Hippos.

I still think he'll be a serviceable lineman WCS.

He was burned twice pretty badly. That shit's gotta stop, but his feet aren't slow. We saw that in college and the combine. It's possible he's just adjusting to the fast snap counts and the muscle memory of firing off from the right side.

I don't know. I just don't see him getting dominated in the trench fights as others saw. In terms of actual trench battles, he was outbattled (but not really dominated) by a tremendous talent in McDonald on short yardage situations, and he was pretty average in other battles. Not the elite talent you want to see out of a Right Tackle, but given his inexperience against top competition, at the Right Tackle position, and possibly battling hand issues, his level of play in trench fights can easily be explained away.

I'm with you. I didn't see anything that couldn't be corrected.

Run Blocking should and probably will be the focus during the season.

I think you guys'll be solid there.

There was a Tavon Austin, who could do more than slot. Oh wait; we have Mc****ster! What am I thinking????

Oh wait; we just sucked San Francisco's dick some more today!


JFC, the Chiefs...

I dunno about that. you traded a guy who was going to get cut...

Wasn't really that big of a deal either way. If you get anything out of Jenkins its an upgrade.

Your team plays in San Francisco.

Its a line from Blue Streak

I just thought it was ironic you'd say that :)

I'm looking forward to see how he plays against Woodley. The starters on both teams should play for a while so we should get a good look.

Fisher GIFs:

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1.1 BABY!!

Don't worry guys. That's how they're supposed to look.

That's pitiful.

I'm not so sure about this one. I think this might have been a busted screen play. Both Albert and Fisher and making the "weak block push him into the backfield" move... Watch Albert's eyes go to where the RB should be, looking for the pass...

I would rather of used that 1.1 on a playmaker and have Stephenson at RT and sign Albert long term.

That's just silly talk.

It's early. This guy could be a ten year starter at RT. He could go to Pro Bowls.

Why would you want some sort of flashy pick that's always trying to make it all about him and spiking the football in the endzone? Doing silly dances and high fiving and stuff...

Well right now through 2 pre season games Stephenson is better than Fisher. Doesn't mean it can't change

I'm in full agreement. People just freak becasue he was taken 1.1. People in KC don't know this but former Oiler Bruce Mathews, perhaps the best O-Lineman ever, was ABUSED his first year where he once gave up 4 sacks in 1 game to the Dallas Cowboys and I believe 3 of them were to Ed "Too-Tall" Jones. He went on to play every position on the OL and become All Pro at 3 of them and was voted to the Pro Bowl 14 times...Patience.

Oh yeah, man.

I think Alex Smith could be the next Rich Gannon too.

Some guys will just never grow up.

Good clips.

Notice how little he uses his right hand in those gifs. Think it's pretty clear that his hand is bothering him. In some cases, he's overcompensating. There's one clip where he throws his shoulder at the guy. In others, he tries to block the guy with one hand. In another, he has happy feet -- he looks almost worried to throw that punch in there. That's different from the way he played in college.

Bruce Mathews got off to the same kind of start as Eric Fisher is off to. It took years before he reached his potential. (Drafted in 1983 was 1st team All Pro 1988 and never looked back) Even a dipshit like you knows that and knows what kind of player he turned out to be...IF Fisher is half the player, the Chiefs have a very good one.

Or learn from their past...

You may as well have called those "Albert Gifs" and circled him. He sucks on every one of those plays.

Fisher struggled for sure, but you're being really subjective if you single him out from an entire offensive line unit that sucked.

Seriously - EVERYBODY IS GETTING DESTROYED IN ALL THESE GIFS. The entire pocket ****ing disappears.

Whatever.

I'm pretty tired of people appealing to statistical outliers to defend Chiefs who suck early in their career.

People were doing it with Jon Baldwin and where is he now? Oh yeah, he's not good. Oops.

I'll be very surprised if Fisher doesn't get his ass kicked on Saturday.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J...Am4hILyerl.jpg

That's not true at all.

The OL was bad, and Albert didn't have a perfect game, but Fisher stood out as the worst lineman.

Unlike you, I'm a Chiefs fan and not a meth addict.

Clay, however, is just an attention whore.

Both lead to horrible ends. You win nothing this round.:shake: