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htismaqe 01-02-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9267786)
So did Earl Campbell..played with it his entire career.

So did Marcus McNeil, who fell from the top of the first to 2nd round even though he played a premium position.

lcarus 01-02-2013 11:14 AM

If Geno Smith has a slightly better chance of panning out than Wilson or the rest of the QB class, we should take him. If Te'o is a little better than the next ILB, big ****in deal. We gotta spend our pick on a QB that absolutely has the best chance to pan out. That's our #1 priority in this draft no matter what.

Dave Lane 01-02-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9266464)
I take you wouldn't want this scenario if it presented itself? That would be stupid. Like I said, I doubt it would tho

Trading out of the #1 pick for a measly extra 2nd is stupid. If you guarantee me we get Geno and trade down then yeah maybe. Otherwise no dice. St Louis got 3 #1 and a #2 for the 2nd overall to drop 6 spots. No way I trade #1 and drop 8 spots for a 2nd. Stupid.

Hootie 01-02-2013 12:22 PM

if we take an OT or Teo #1 I'm going to turn the draft off right away and stop thinking about football for several months...start posting in DC with Direkshun.

Resign Albert and Bowe

DRAFT A ****ING QB

I don't ****ing care if that QB turns out to be nothing better than JeMarcus Russell. WE WASTED $120M ON TYSON JACKSON AND MATT CASSEL.

Pretty ok with potentially throwing $23M down the drain on a QB bust and missing out on Monte ****ing T'eo or Luke Jizzel.

Dave Lane 01-02-2013 12:33 PM

This time last year people had RGIII going to us at #11 and some didn't even have him in the first round. I predict the same will happen once dumb mother****ers start actually watching tape instead of talking out of their asses.

Dave Lane 01-02-2013 12:45 PM

http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

ALL the mock drafts there that have been updated recently show Geno Smith at the #1 pick...

Go see for yourselves...

Dave Lane 01-02-2013 12:45 PM

Yep bad year to have to pick at number 1.

whoman69 01-02-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9268410)
Yep bad year to have to pick at number 1.

Its QB or nothing for the Chiefs. I would rather go with a young guy who fails than to go with a Alex Smith type who would get us another three years of 7-9. I think the fanbase would be a lot more forgiving that the Chiefs finally tried and failed than to go back to the Chiefs way. If our QB fails we repeat the exercise in three years.

gta0012 01-02-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 9268720)
I would rather go with a young guy who fails than to go with a Alex Smith type who would get us another three years of 7-9.

Alex Smith is way better than a 7-9 QB

htismaqe 01-02-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gta0012 (Post 9268757)
Alex Smith is way better than a 7-9 QB

9-7!

YEAH!

the Talking Can 01-02-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9268408)
http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

ALL the mock drafts there that have been updated recently show Geno Smith at the #1 pick...

Go see for yourselves...

yup

Quesadilla Joe 01-02-2013 04:57 PM

This one would be interesting LMAO

The Chiefs pass on Geno, only to see Oakland take him two spots later.

DISCLAIMER for SNR: * I have never seen a mock from Optimum Scouting before, Matt Williamson recommended them on twitter, and after checking around they do scout for agents and "professional teams" but that could also mean the arena league. *

http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft...medium=twitter

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1. Kansas City Chiefs – Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State*
While the team has tried (and for the most, failed) to add to its defensive line in recent drafts, it’s not as dominant as one would expect. Combine that with the fact that a new coach may consider a 4-3 defensive change, and that Bjoern Werner is the best player in the draft (from my perspective), he’s the best bang for the #1 pick buck. Quarterback is certainly an option, but it’s by no means a lock, and I’ll say they pass now in favor of Alex Smith and/or a 2nd round rookie instead to get maximum value.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars – Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri (Declared Article)
Adding to the defensive line (in particular, at DT) seems like the most logical move for the Jaguars, and fills a major need with Tyson Alualu being solid but not spectacular this year. Richardson is our top rated DT prospect, and showcases a fantastic motor, interior strength, and active pass rush ability. Similar to the Chiefs plan, attacking free agency/the 2nd round for a quarterback may be the wise decision in year one of a potential “rebuild” once again.

3. Oakland Raiders – Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
With Carson Palmer not showing much and Terrelle Pryor not someone to hang your career on, I’d expect Reggie McKenzie to make a move to find his franchise quarterback this season. The offensive pieces are in place, and while Geno isn’t a lock to be worth this high selection, he’s the best quarterback in the draft.

4. Philadelphia Eagles – Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M*
With Jason Peters returning and the Eagles offensive line already having talent, this may not seem like the logical answer. But without knowing who the new head coach will be, it’s unclear what the Eagles will do at their biggest need, quarterback. For now, offensive tackle seems like a safe idea, as the position players are already in place in Philly.

5. Detroit Lions – Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M (Declared Article)
With their draft needs (OG, WR, and CB) not matching with up value wise with the 5th pick in the draft, they’ll have to take the best player available. Adding to an already fantastic defensive line, Moore can replace free agent Cliff Avril and become the team’s new feature pass rusher on the edge.


6. Cleveland Browns – Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
With DT seemingly in good shape with Rubin/Taylor/Billy Winn, finishing up the defensive line with Dion Jordan paired with Jabaal Sheard (and moving Frostee Rucker to a rotational spot) could give this defensive line the completeness it needs to consistently cause havoc against Big Ben, Joe Flacco, and Andy Dalton.

7. Arizona Cardinals – Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M*
The Cardinals are in desperate help of a stable offensive line, and Matthews could make his case as the best in this class. The quarterback issue isn’t solved yet, but with Andy Reid having the inside track and possibly bringing Michael Vick with him, the offensive line should be where the team starts it’s building.

8. Buffalo Bills – Matt Barkley, QB, USC
The Bills have made it clear they need a franchise quarterback, and they’ll likely target there’s in the draft. With it being difficult to say who they’ll pick without a head coach, I’ll stick to our 2nd rated quarterback in Matt Barkley, though it could be anyone from Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson, and Ryan Nassib.

9. New York Jets – Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
This is certainly a long-shot to happen, as it doesn’t seem teams are as intrigued/excited about Ryan Nassib as I am. But I know the Jets have serious interest in Nassib, they need a quarterback, and they likely won’t be able to get him in the 2nd round. A reach here, but so was Mark Sanchez at the time.

10. Tennessee Titans – Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
Defensive tackle isn’t a glaring need, but the Titans generally go with the best player available in each and every draft, and Star is arguably a Top 5 talent. Adding him to Jurrell Casey and Sen’Derrick Marks could give this team one of the best defensive lines in the AFC.


11. San Diego Chargers – Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
It may be crazy to think about now, but Eric Fisher may be the best offensive tackle in this draft class. He’s THAT talented. The Chargers need offensive line help badly, and Fisher has experience at left guard, right tackle, and left tackle, and should give Phillip Rivers some breathing room immediately.

12. Miami Dolphins – Robert Woods, WR, USC (Declared Article)
While the value doesn’t say to take a receiver at this point, the Dolphins have to address their biggest need early and often. Getting the first crack at the 2013 receiver class is a great luxury to have for Miami. I’ll take Robert Woods at this point, but Keenan Allen and DeAndre Hopkins (if he declares) are both options as well.

13. Tampa Bay Bucs – Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU*
While Manti Te’o gets (and deserves) most of the love at the lienbacker position, he may not be the best in this class. That belongs to Kevin Minter of LSU, who has been the unheralded reason for that team being a Top 10 ranked team all season. Fast, strong, instinctive, and aggressive, he’s the total package at linebacker.

14. Carolina Panthers –Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State (Declared Article)
The team has needed to address the defensive line for two seasons now, and have failed to do so. Luckily, Hankins is still here to build their interior presence, as he could develop into one of the league’s premier nose tackles.


15. New Orleans Saints – Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Adding to the secondary seems to be a yearly need for New Orleans, but it’s clear to me they still have a need there. The best cornerback on the board, Banks may be a slight reach here, but quenches the Saints pass-defense thirst.

16. St. Louis Rams – Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan*
They invested heavily in the mid rounds at receiver last year, and I wouldn’t rush to think they’ll look at receiver early here either. The offensive line is still a concern, and the possibly of adding Lewan to push Rodger Saffold to the right side could be a dream option for Sam Bradford’s development.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers – Manti Te’o, ILB, Notre Dame
With Larry Foote’s contract expiring, the Steelers have a minor need on the interior. Having the luxury to add one of the country’s best and most instinctive linebackers is something the Steelers should relish, and adding Te’o makes this defense THAT much scarier for the future.

18. Dallas Cowboys – Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Simply put, the Cowboys have consistently neglected the offensive line in the draft. Outside of Tyron Smith, who’s been good but not great, putting Doug Free as the starting offensive tackle, again, over rated in my eyes, and using free agency to add to the guard spots, the Cowboys are desperate for more stability for Romo. Warmack is the best offensive guard prospect in recent years, and should work wonders for the Cowboys passing game.

19. New York Giants – Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
Despite what the preconceived idea is on the Giants, the pass rush wasn’t nearly as consistent/dominant as it has been in year’s past. But the thought of adding Ansah to that crew of Pro Bowl talents is scary enough. Still, with few needs offensively, the Giants can either add a linebacker or have the luxury of getting one of the draft’s best athletes.

20. Chicago Bears - Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
Whoever the new coach is, they’ll likely be clamoring for offensive line help. While there’s no offensive tackle value at this point in the draft (DJ Flucker/Justin Pugh are solid but would

htismaqe 01-02-2013 04:58 PM

The thing about Werner is that you have to make the assumption that the new coach is going to completely overhaul the defense and move to a 4-3. Doesn't seem real bloody likely right now.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2013 05:30 PM

Geno is definately the best QB in this class and the cream will rise to the top before all is said and done. ROFL at Glennon being the only R.1 QB selected.

RealSNR 01-02-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9269671)
This one would be interesting LMAO

The Chiefs pass on Geno, only to see Oakland take him two spots later.

DISCLAIMER for SNR: * I have never seen a mock from Optimum Scouting before, Matt Williamson recommended them on twitter, and after checking around they do scout for agents and "professional teams" but that could also mean the arena league. *

http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft...medium=twitter

I would rip your guts apart, but I'm enjoying the woody seeing Manti Te'o get drafted AFTER Kevin Minter.

By draft day, Te'o will drop completely out of the first round, but it's never too early to begin the dissemination of truth.

eclipse31satx 01-02-2013 11:44 PM

as stated in a post i made earlier i dont think we should use the #1 for a QB but if we do i definitely dont want Barkley and i am iffy on G Smith. Personally i like Bray. 6' 6" 215 with a rocket for an arm. needs a little work but i think he has a ton of upside.

Exoter175 01-03-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9267247)
I still say we draft a punter #1 overall Exoter. We saw how valuable Colquitt was this year so I think we should let him walk and take the best punter on the board #1 overall. Agree?

If we could draft 22 Colquitts, I'd be in heaven.
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9267311)
You never take a safety at #5 overall!!!!!!!!! NEVAR!!!!!

I Mean who does that?
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Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 9267361)
You're literally the only person in the world using this logic. Drafting a QB #1 is never "wasting a draft pick" even if the QB doesn't pan out; it's how 31 other goddamn teams in this league do business. It's how any legitimate team starts the rebuilding process. And the CBA means that you can draft a QB without the attendant risk of a bazillion dollar contract. There's literally no good reason to not draft a QB at #1 now, even if Luck and RGIII aren't available. YOU'RE GETTING THE MOST VALUABLE POSITION IN FOOTBALL AT A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER PRICE. Using the #1 pick on a position that is 100x less valuable, like say ILB, makes no ****ing sense.

Of course, this will all be moot when Geno tears up the combine and all the so-called experts decide he's truly deserving of the top pick after all.

Funny how you're talking about value at that #1 pick now, see? I'm contagious! And yeah, I'm fully expecting Geno to go beastmode at the combine.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9267411)
Background: I have never been a QB or bust guy with the Chiefs first-round pick. I have debated quite intensely at times on this board about the guys available to the Chiefs at No. 1 (speaking out markedly against Sanchez and also Matthew "Front Mullet/China Doll/One above-average season" Stafford).

But this year? In this draft that doesn't offer any other true impact options at the Chiefs pick? I'm a "draft-a-QB" guy.

I think expecting a QB of high value to fall to No. 33 might be a bit optimistic.

The Jaguars are likely bringing in Tebow, but it wouldn't surprise to see them take a REAL QB at No. 2.

The Raiders need a QB, unless they're pinning their hopes on one game of Terrelle Pryor (in which he posted a 70.1 QB rating - as a Chiefs fan, you hope for this, right?)

The Browns took Brandon Weeden a year ago, but he stinks ( and was a later 1st round pick).

The Cardinals need a QB more than any team not called the Chiefs.

The Bills could draft a QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick is just OK, and he's not a spring chicken (He's 30).

The Jets need a QB, as Sanchez is terrible and Tebow is likely gone.

The Chargers have an old and declining Philip Rivers (31) and might be looking to backfill.

That's seven other teams that could logically draft a QB based on need/opportunity. It doesn't account for smart teams (like the Patriots) that would draft a QB if they feel it's the best talent there.

I don't think there are THAT many QBs of equal talent level that you can EXPECT one to fall to No. 33. Especially THE guy. Best thing for the Chiefs would be someone like Jarvis Jones just completely blowing up at the combine, enough to separate himself as the clear No. 1 pick (Joekel works here, too). That would make it a little easier to trade down and get the QB they want, and maybe nab a few extra picks.

But if trading down doesn't work, overdrafting a QB in this draft is just fine, IMO. The only way KC can really mess this up, IMO, is drafting Manti Te'o at No. 1. Talk about overdrafting... nothing screams "BUST" as a No. 1 pick like a guy who lacks positional value, isn't an impact player at that position, and is an average CFB athlete at his position.

If you're going to overdraft a player, overdraft an impact position player (QB, pass rusher, cornerback - though there are none that fit the bill this year). Don't overdraft a position of limited impact that can be easily filled in later rounds.

We'll see how Joekel grades out as draft day nears. He's a truly elite pass blocker, but his lack of ability in run blocking (where he is just OK, not great) separates him, IMO, from guys like Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, etc.

I think the Raiders will forgo QB, the Jaguars will do the same, no doubt about it. Bills will likely wait a few rounds to get a project QB to stick behind Fitz, Cleveland won't turn this fast on Weeden, and on and on.

This happens every year, people say X team and Y team need QB's, they're going to take one. Then 4 of those XYZ teams actually take a QB in the first two rounds. Why? Because it doesn't matter if the QB position is the most valuable and on paper you are getting the most valuable pick for the money, you still have to like the guy and think he fits your team, before you even take the next step. 3 QB's at max will be taken in the first round, likely 2 will go to teams in need of a QB, and the 3rd being taken by a team in need of a mechanically sound young gun to sit behind an aging vet. The saints are a GREAT example of a team who might actually take a QB in the first round or second round. You won't hurt Brees' pride, everyone in Louisiana knows that the Saints go nowhere without a QB and he's one of the best to ever play the position. Why not get your next guy in line behind one of the best? That's what the Patriots did when they snagged Mallet, arguably one of the best selections of that draft for them.

QB Talent will remain high going into the 2nd round, of that I have no doubt. Then again, I also doubt that we make it to the 2nd without already drafting a QB now that Reid is all but signed.

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head (Post 9267688)
no Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?



I'd like Geno a lot more at the top of round 2. There is some fantastic top end defensive talent. The Raiders are going to get Jarvis Jones I'm afraid. The Raiders and Jags should make out very well with the #2 and #3.

That 1st pick in round 2 is a 1st rounder value IMO...especially in what should be a pretty deep defensive draft. I also like some of the WR with late 1st round grades. We need talent at WR and 5th rounders is not the way to do that.[/QUOTE]

No linemen please, but we could use a fast route runner with decent size at the WR position.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9268410)
Yep bad year to have to pick at number 1.

Its never a bad year to have the #1 pick, it just isn't the best year to have it, 1 year late for us.

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9269671)
This one would be interesting LMAO

The Chiefs pass on Geno, only to see Oakland take him two spots later.

DISCLAIMER for SNR: * I have never seen a mock from Optimum Scouting before, Matt Williamson recommended them on twitter, and after checking around they do scout for agents and "professional teams" but that could also mean the arena league. *

http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft...medium=twitter

**** NO

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Originally Posted by eclipse31satx (Post 9272167)
as stated in a post i made earlier i dont think we should use the #1 for a QB but if we do i definitely dont want Barkley and i am iffy on G Smith. Personally i like Bray. 6' 6" 215 with a rocket for an arm. needs a little work but i think he has a ton of upside.

I'm on Bray's nuts right now, I like his upside quite a bit, but I haven't seen enough game film to be sold on the floor of his downside in terms of decision making as it transitions to the NFL level.

eclipse31satx 01-03-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272195)

I'm on Bray's nuts right now, I like his upside quite a bit, but I haven't seen enough game film to be sold on the floor of his downside in terms of decision making as it transitions to the NFL level.

i've liked what i've seen. there are some youtube highlights of a few of his games this year. he had some trouble near the end of the year but which of the college QBs this year didnt. i believe when this season started he was ranked the #3 QB behind barkley and g smith. most of the experts reports i have read on him love his agility, athleticism and his arm but they do say he will need a coach to bring him along. i agree in that his decision making will need some work.

cdcox 01-03-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9272195)
I'm on Bray's nuts right now, I like his upside quite a bit, but I haven't seen enough game film to be sold on the floor of his downside in terms of decision making as it transitions to the NFL level.

Ah, we have found the problem.

The floor absolutely does not matter for a potential staring QB. Zero. Less than zero. If he isn't a franchise QB, or on the arc to become one, then you need to be moving on to the next guy. It is worse to have the 18th best QB in the league than the 30th best. Why? Because you keep hoping the 18th best guy will get you there, but unless you have an elite once in decade defense, he never ever will. But you keep avoiding the decision to move on because he is just good enough to tease you.

The metric on which to draft is the %chance of becoming a franchise QB. If you don't have a franchise QB and you can draft a guy that is above 30% chance of becoming franchise, you pull the trigger with your first pick. Because if you don't have a franchise QB, your number 1 priority of your franchise is to get one. You keep rolling the dice until you hit.

I don't think Bray has the maturity to accept the coaching that he would need to become a franchise QB, but that is just a very knee jerk impression. I'd need to collect more data.

eclipse31satx 01-03-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9272255)
I don't think Bray has the maturity to accept the coaching that he would need to become a franchise QB, but that is just a very knee jerk impression. I'd need to collect more data.

the so called experts have also said this. i cant judge his maturity but in my opinion he is every bit as good and possibly better than g smith and i know he's better than barkley with more upside. like all the QBs in this draft and as much as i like him i dont think he is #1 pick. i say again pick a non QB bad ass and get a QB in the 2nd round.

Ugly Duck 01-03-2013 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by clyde05 (Post 9265370)
Hell, if this guy is spot on which is highly unlikely, just take Geno in 2nd round.

Hey! Thats what Mel Kiper says.....

(From Bill Williamson ESPN) Kiper thinks the Chiefs can be one of the top newsmakers in the draft even if they wait until the second round to take a quarterback. Here are his thoughts:

"Kansas City is in line to deliver a huge splash. The Chiefs draft No. 1 overall, and quarterback is a huge need. Right now, I don't have a QB rated among my top 20 overall players, but when that position is a major need, sometimes the value equation changes. That said, what if the Chiefs were to take Te'o with their first pick, and then target value at quarterback early in Round 2, landing them (Geno) Smith?"

Xanathol 01-03-2013 12:57 AM

This mock doesn't even have Mingo in the first, yet most have him as a top 5 pick.... smh

Sorter 01-03-2013 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Xanathol (Post 9272336)
This mock doesn't even have Mingo in the first, yet most have him as a top 5 pick.... smh

Well, that is KnowMo for ya...

cdcox 01-03-2013 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by eclipse31satx (Post 9272278)
the so called experts have also said this. i cant judge his maturity but in my opinion he is every bit as good and possibly better than g smith and i know he's better than barkley with more upside. like all the QBs in this draft and as much as i like him i dont think he is #1 pick. i say again pick a non QB bad ass and get a QB in the 2nd round.

Just watching a little video, he uses a 3/4 delivery, carries the ball too low, and and has poor footwork. The latter two are coachable, but why hasn't he made progress on these issues to date? Tennessee only asks him to read one side of the field on most plays: two options and pick the best one. He'll be asked to do much more the pros. Great arm and quick release are positives -- but he probably has those through natural talent. Where has his game improved as a result of coaching? He has potential, but has he shown any evidence that he wants to reach it? His stats on a per pass basis improved a little between 2010 and 2011, but 2012 is basically the same. I'd like to see more growth. People don't change that much in terms of attitude and work ethic. If he hasn't shown a desire to improve his game so far, I think he is unlikely to be a good prospect for molding into a future franchise QB.


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