Appears OU and Texas are going to the PAC. Probably OSU, as well. Tech remains the shakiest, but will probably also get in as some concession to Texas.

UConn to ACC is heating up.

Saw a tweet that West Virginia has applied for membership to the SEC.

Not looking good at all.

That's awesome! Kentucky-West Virginia should be the key rivalry there (how about the Moonshine Jug?), and Tennessee-West Virginia would be interesting.

The Big Ten has to act now... there might not be a Big East for Baylor and Iowa State to join, either.

According to the same source "Barring a last minute change- Texas has decided to join the Pac 12."

Here are the latest details:
* Longhorn Network will "blend, dissolve or do whatever" into Pac-12 Network in a way that lets UT save face.
* Texas Tech, OU, OSU will join as well.
* A second league office in Dallas.
* FB Championship and BB Tourney rotates between LA & Dallas.

Sounds like the Pac12 made a deal with the devil just like the BIG 8 did.

Pac-12 is especially concerned with the academic integrity of the conference, which is why, of the four schools being added, only one of which is worth a shit academically.

KU is so f***ed unless Big 10 goes to 16 and KU gets in as the last choice @ 16.

UCONN to ACC. W Virginia to SEC. UT, OU, OU, TECH to Pac 16.

Conferences:
Big 10 (12 teams)
SEC (14 teams)
ACC (15 teams)
Pac (16 teams)

That essentially leaves 6 spots if there ends up being the 4 SUPERCONFERENCES


Remaining "BCS" teams not in AQ Conference (in order of perceived importance):
Notre Dame (Big 10?)
Missouri (Big 10? SEC?)
Kansas
Rutgers (Big 10?)
Kansas State
Iowa State
Louisville
South Florida
Baylor
Cincinnati

Other major players:
Boise State
TCU
BYU
New Mexico

Rustshack will save the day

Looks that way...

There is no way Texas ever goes to the ACC. ACC teams aren't going to pay to travel to Texas.

Welcome to the MWC KU and K-State.

:(

I heard on Fescoe's show that Texas has KU's back and wouldn't move to a new conference without Kansas, so there's nothing to worry about.

If & when things do go BOOM! KSU & KU will head to the Big10
ISU & Baylor have the most to worry about.

Details, details...

As this person explained it later, the agreement is that UT keeps their network in name only. The revenue split will be identical for all schools. Because 1/16th of the the Pac-16's TV deal will be worth more than all the proceeds from the LHN. So all 16 teams will get an even split. That lets UT save face, but get the deal together.

Nah won't happen(at least for KU). Well at least not for BBall. Frankly it wouldn't even be that much of a big deal. KU would go independent at least for BBall. For football who really cares?

The ****? No

PAC-16 Top 40 TV Markets
#2 Los Angeles
#5 Dallas
#6 San Francisco
#10 Houston
#12 Phoenix
#14 Seattle
#18 Denver
#20 Sacramento
#22 Portland
#28 San Diego
#33 Salt Lake City
#37 San Antonio

30% of the Top 40 TV Markets thats not too bad.

Why not? ANYTHING would be better than going to a completely worthless conference playing completely worthless teams(which describes every non major conference). You don't think KU could easily negotiate a national contract for BBall alone to televise every game with either ESPN or Fox Sports for serious money? Once they the contract in place scheduling is fairly straight forward. If they have the contract set up right then it's merely a case of saying 'For that game we'll split say 40% of revenue' with accelerators for name programs or top 25 teams. This isn't rocket science. KU has a national BB brand why wouldn't they leverage it rather than play for a complete shit conference?

You're insane. There's a reason that there are no basketball independents. How are you going to schedule 30+ games when every other team in the country is playing conference games the second half of the season?

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lol, what?

For the stability of your new conference I hope your right, but I wouldn't trust Texas. Even if the LHN gets assimilated into the Pac 16 down the road Texas will find a way to take a hold of the drivers seat.

You join the MWC, but just call yourself an "independent."

We've decided to play these teams; best preparation for the tournament.

It's easy. They will just have quality teams from power conferences take a break from their conference seasons fly to Lawrence in late February. It makes perfect sense.

So our 'soft landing spot' in the Big East is hemorrhaging schools, eh?

Mizzou is very very ****ed.

Nicely done, fellas.

Relax. BD said that he had a lot of confidence in the future of the Big 12, so we should be good.

You are assuming that the Pac-12 minus Texas was inherently as weak as the Big-12 was minus Texas. They weren't. Not even close.

Pac-10 owns all of the western US TV Markets.

LA, San Diego, SF, Seattle, Sacramento, Portland, Phoenix, Colorado, SLC

Texas has no leverage to demand much of anything. Their departure from the Pac-16 won't destroy the conference like it would the Big-12.

It's not like UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, ASU, UA, Washington, Oregon are going to join the Mountain West.

How is Mizzou ****ed?

I be no expert in these here matters, but if I were the Mizzou folk I'd get my begging shoes on and I'd be calling everyone in the SEC 5 minutes ago.

"We have more teeth than those West Virginia fellers, take us, take us."

I wouldn't wait around for a Big 10 invite, even if it's a better fit. It's pure speculation but I still wouldn't rule out some kind of Big 12/Big East merger, but will that conference get to be a BCS Superconference, or will it just be a basketball conference that happens to play some football.

Good luck fellas... It was fun while it lasted.

Your and idiot X2. Big 12 is defunct. Quit spewing worthless shit.

This clip has been applied throughout the threads on here, but I feel that it is applicable to the teams that are currently on the outside looking in.

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The B1G isn't expanding - it just isn't.

The rumors are that the SEC is looking towards VA for their 14th.

The Big East is just another dying conference.

The ACC...jesus, really? That's our new home?

The music looks like it's really close to stopping and if this thing stays like it is - MU is homeless next year. It really only takes 1 season in limbo like that to do a decade worth of damage to your prestige, recruiting, etc...

MU's in bad bad shape if something doesn't come together very soon and I have absolutely zero faith in our leadership at this point.

LMAO

If UCONN gets ACC bid, then there are 8 spots left for survival: ACC (1) SEC (3) Big 10 (4)...if you arent in that group, you are in trouble.

Heh.

Thanks for the geography lesson on what cities are on the western side of the states. I still stand by my comments. Like I said I hope I am wrong for the sake of your conference, but do not presume so easily that you will not have drama with Texas in your conference down the road.

I would look for this to be a near certainty due to necessity.

KU never should have gotten rid of Lew Perkins. Or Mark Mangino...but that's a different thread.

I would love to see KU in the Big10 as that makes most sense from a regional standpoint IMO. Would be great to see KSU, KU, and MU all in the Big10 together.


However, I haven't been following this drama THAT closely so I am not sure how realistic that is...

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WTF makes anyone think that there are 4 slots in the B1G?

They've shown precisely zero interest in expanding.

And again - the XII is done next season. For MU to have a home next year, they need a conference that's looking to expand immediately. It sure looks like that's not the B1G. And it also looks like the SEC isn't interesting in going to 16 in the near future either.

There appears to be a very good chance that MU is playing an indy schedule next season and that will absolutely cripple them going forward.

We don't want your lame ass fan base in our conference.

I think they would expand if it lands them Notre Dame.

Signed, Larry Scott (not that long ago)

He doesn't know shit. Big 10 hasnt said know to anything or anyone since they said no to Missouri
Big 10 is just sitting like all of us & waiting to see what,& if anything happens.
If expansion is the best move at that time for the Big 10. IMO KSU & KU are no brainers out of the big 12

https://twitter.com/#!/Andy_Staples Interesting stuff.

Texas & OU to the B1G Ten? Interesting.

ESPN crawl:
Austin newspaper........ Oaklahoma, Okie State, Texas and Texas Tech to join Pac 12. Announcement as soon as Monday.

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@BoldSlugger @BrendanPrunty The other thing is it has to be frustrating for fans. So much misinformation. Everyone in the dark.

The SEC isn't looking at VA. They're looking at WV, and they aren't going to stop at 14. That number doesn't work well for conferences. In the end, I think the SEC adds WV, Mizzou, and someone from the Big East (likely Louisville or Cincy if they don't mind city schools).

The Big East is on life support, and ND may decide that they need a new home. That could lead to them landing in the B1G.

The B1G either moves to 16 early, or they get forced to get last pick in the future if they ever do expand. I don't think they want to be at 12 when the ACC, PAC, and SEC are all at 16.

If everyone goes to 16 the B1G will end up doing it too. They said they weren't going to start it, but they will follow if other conferences start. But if the SEC stays at 14(assuming they add WVU), and B1G stays at 12, theres still room for a fifth BCS conference.

Do you think they're that good at leak control?

In fairness, I should say they've shown zero interest in an expansion that includes MU.

The smoke has included Texas and ND, but that's it. And outside of the 'superschools', you simply don't hear any rumors at all out of the B1G.

I refuse to believe they simply have that conference on super-secret lockdown. There are too many people that have an interest in this for something, even rumors, to not slip out if there was legitimate interest.

I think they're just fine with 12. They know they can keep it at 12 and still get invited to the "Super playoffs" with their Conf. Champion. Hell, they could probably split into 2 6-teamers and still get their division champions invited.

They have no pressing need to expand unless its for ND or Tx. If they felt it, they'd have done it by now.

At this point, KU's best chance is probably for ND to decide the Big East is dead and they have no choice but to go to the B1G.

If the Big 10 expands to 16, Kansas has to be on that list due to the sheer lack of alternatives, but if ND is not available, they could stay at 12.

The problem that the B1G has is that by not acting, they may effectively have the choice made for them to never expand. Expanding to 16 may be shut off as an available option for them if they sit out.

Here's a cool toy, feel free to play with it and share your prediction.

http://res.dallasnews.com/graphics/2011_09/realignment/

My wild-assed guess as of tonight:

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Texas won't destroy the Pac-1x conference like they have the Big-12. The revenue from the geographic monopoly that the Pac-1x has is far more powerful than Texas. That wasn't true of the Big-12. Texas has far less leverage with the Pac-1x than it did with the Big-12.

So unless you are agreeing with that fact, you are wrong.

That's not to say that "drama" can't come, but if it does, the Pac-1x has the leverage to show Texas the door. And Utah, Arizona and possibly Colorado aren't giving up the money from the LA, SF and other Cali markets to follow Texas anywhere.

Texas is joining the Pac-1x because it's their best available option. As long as it's mutually beneficial, the Pac-1x will let them in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/sp...l/19pac12.html

The New York Times' guy has weighed in. I believe they were the first to officially report A&M's move. He says Texas is not talking to the ACC anymore, the four teams to the Pac 12 will play out over the next 7 to 10 days. According to him Scott has not approached the Pac 12 presidents officially yet, and (no surprise) the Arizona schools, Utah and Colorado all have concerns about the deal. Also, the academic reputation of OU, OSU, and TT.

Suggests Mizzou and the SEC really don't have that much interest in each other, but might do the deed out of necessity so Mizzou isn't left hanging. Also, the Big East and Big 12 leftovers could merge based on what's left.

Much earlier in the thread, I posed a question about researching funding for state universities. Where does this money come from? State appropriations? Part of the larger tuition pie?

All of this was based on the ruse that academics matter in any of this.

Utah: shit
OU: shit (but a better smelling pile than some of the other shit)
OSU: shit
TT: shit

There was another rumor being floated on the KUSports thread, and maybe some of you K-Staties can weigh in on it, I'll pull it verbatim:

So, has anyone heard anything about that angle. If it is true, it could explain why MU has hardly made a peep about realignment, really ditto for KU and KSU as well. Of course, that same silence could be explained by an absolute helpless feeling as well!

Research and local? Local what? LMAO. Please want us, please want us, please want us.

At this point, boys, all of the major three local schools are in some trouble.

When Tom Osborne talks the Big 10 listens. KU & KSU should kiss his feet

A few days ago I was hearing a lot of Texas, ND, ISU, and Mizzou to the B1G. But it would be nice if ND still decides to stay out, and ISU, Mizzou, KU, and KSU go instead.

Would Mizzou to the Pac with Texas, Oklahoma, and OSU make any sense?

I think what this poster was trying to say is that the State of Kansas (local) won't let the two schools be separated and the B1G wants to be associated with that billion dollar grant (research) going to KSU.

I don't know the guy, I imagine he is a KSU fan and looking for the KSU saves KU (and possibly MU) angle from conference oblivion. Apparently the grant is a huge animal research project, and since KSU has one of the top veterinarian colleges in the nation, they got the grant.

Oh and blah blah blah I know TV sets are the main thing driving this(even though the B1G hasn't acted that way whatsoever), but ISU is the best fit of any school in this for the B1G in terms of everything they look for and want in a school.

Hasn't it already been said several times that KU and KSU don't have to stay together in this?

Most of the PAC chatter about excluding Tech was about replacing them with KU actually. The ideal situation for the PAC was UT-OU-KU-MU, but OU and UT are sticking up for their in state neighbors.

Does this mean the PAC doesn't go through? It could, but it wouldn't necessarily be the saving grace for the Big XII as the SEC would surely try to get involved.

According to this poster (and I am not vouching for any credibility) ISU's best shot is if MU jumps to the SEC.

I don't believe that KSU is coveted as an academic institution by an "elite" conference for any reason. I know that sounds like I'm blasting KSU, but I'm not. I'd gladly send a child there--good place.

But we have to be realistic about this whole thing, too.

That's correct. But, you'll notice that KU hasn't been out actively campaigning itself, neither has MU for that matter.

I would agree with you, unless this billion dollar grant gives KSU at least the appearance of an AAU university even if it hasn't received the title yet. Remember, the CIC amount the B1G gets is 6 billion a year. I know that's an annual amount, but you can see how large this grant is to KSU.

Please, MU, KU, KSU are all better fits for the B1G than ISU. Of those four, MU is the best fit, and I would put KU a distant second, with KSU and ISU way behind both of them.

Neither has Syracuse or Pitt. OU and UT can be confident, but for most teams there is no reason to be seen publicly whoring yourself out. Everyone's burning the phone lines in the background.

No, all of your nonsense was based on the report from my source (who's reports appear to be confirmed by other reporting today) that people in the Pac-1x office had interest in Rice being paired with Texas because of their academic rankings and their presence in Houston.

But you make it into whatever you want. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, but Syracuse and Pitt had something that KU and KSU didn't: large TV markets. It wasn't likely those two schools were going to be without a spot at the dinner table. They could afford to keep a low profile.

You know what is really fun......watching how all the speculation has changed so much in this thread.

It would be fun to have some stat geek actually plot the movement of the rumors of each school.

FYP

Iowa State is way better in academics than Kansas State. Not to mention its a better school than both Kansas and Nebraska. Only Texas, A&M, and Missouri are ahead of Iowa State in the B1G academically.

The "Chatter Movement" Graph

Lets do this!