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Frankie 01-17-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5400557)
Satan! GET BEHIND ME!

I thought you wanted to get into priesthood.

Frankie 01-17-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5400674)
Seriously what is all the hatred for Marty? He made us the 2nd winningest franchise in the 90's. his last job he went 13-3. Some bad coaching and a lot of bad luck in the playoffs ya, but he's one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL period. His day will come.

Why do so many hate a guy that did so many great things for this Team? He turned this team around from being a turd to a perenial playoff team. Dont want him back if you like, but to laugh at him like he's a joke is ridiculous.

To get a championship, a team HAS to go through the playoffs. Hence Marty IS a joke.

wazu 01-17-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 5400095)
I personally think Shanahan was building a Superbowl team in Denver. It's true that he's let the defense go while he focused his efforts on offense - especially the last two years when he liquidated Jake Plummer and started to build a team around Jay Cutler. But right now the Broncos have a powerful young offense and we're moving into this offseason with more cap money and draft picks than we've had in a decade to spend primarily on defense... And at that, Shanahan's personnel guy (Goodman) has done a superb job the last two years - probably better than anyone in the league. You'll note that while Shanahan was fired, we kept his personnel guy - effectively making him the team's GM.

Yep, agree. Fortunately Bowlen tossed us a lifeline. McDaniels seems like a good pick, if you haven't just finished firing Mike ****ing Shanahan.

Taco John 01-17-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5400652)
That's ridiculous. The Broncos rescources have been spent primarily on defense for the last sevaral years.



Are you high or something? You shouldn't embarass yourself with such uniformed takes in a public forum.

keg in kc 01-17-2009 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 5400852)
Are you high or something? You shouldn't embarass yourself with such uniformed takes in a public forum.

What kind of uniform? Like, police, or a french maid?

Taco John 01-17-2009 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 5400833)
Yep, agree. Fortunately Bowlen tossed us a lifeline. McDaniels seems like a good pick, if you haven't just finished firing Mike ****ing Shanahan.



I hear ya... Firing Shanahan, keeping his personnel guy, and then hiring a younger version of him... that doesn't make too much sense to me.

I could have seen if we hired Spagnuolo...

But whatever. I think there's more to it behind the scenes between Shanahan and Bowlen than they're letting on out in the open.

melbar 01-18-2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5400809)
To get a championship, a team HAS to go through the playoffs. Hence Marty IS a joke.

So Marino is a joke and not a great QB because he has no ring?

Manning was also a joke till he got his.

Elway should have been benched after 15 yrs of no ring right? At that point he was a joke and ownership should have given up on him. He sucked. He had 15 yrs and couldnt get it done. Why would you let that loser keep playing?

Dallas Chief 01-18-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 5400860)
I hear ya... Firing Shanahan, keeping his personnel guy, and then hiring a younger version of him... that doesn't make too much sense to me.

I could have seen if we hired Spagnuolo...

But whatever. I think there's more to it behind the scenes between Shanahan and Bowlen than they're letting on out in the open.

Who is his personnel guy?

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-18-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5400916)
So Marino is a joke and not a great QB because he has no ring?

Manning was also a joke till he got his.

Elway should have been benched after 15 yrs of no ring right? At that point he was a joke and ownership should have given up on him. He sucked. He had 15 yrs and couldnt get it done. Why would you let that loser keep playing?

Because there was "Magic in the Way He Sucked":

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...rr/Elway-3.png

Frankie 01-18-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5400916)
So Marino is a joke and not a great QB because he has no ring?

Manning was also a joke till he got his.

Elway should have been benched after 15 yrs of no ring right? At that point he was a joke and ownership should have given up on him. He sucked. He had 15 yrs and couldnt get it done. Why would you let that loser keep playing?

To the best of my recollection, none of them has coached an NFL team. If they do and never make it past playoffs, I will call them a joke, AS A COACH!

keg in kc 01-18-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5400916)
So Marino is a joke and not a great QB because he has no ring?

Manning was also a joke till he got his.

Elway should have been benched after 15 yrs of no ring right? At that point he was a joke and ownership should have given up on him. He sucked. He had 15 yrs and couldnt get it done. Why would you let that loser keep playing?

Elway is a bad comparison, he went to two Superbowls in the 80s. Marty never even sniffed the championship game.

Marty's been coaching in the NFL since 1975. He's been a head coach in the NFL for a full twenty years. Hey, if you want to give him another go 'round, thinking he'll finally find lightning in a bottle at 65 years of age, and somehow overcome his own inherent martyocrity, well, more power to ya.

Frankie 01-18-2009 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5400938)
Elway is a bad comparison, he went to two Superbowls in the 80s. Marty never even sniffed the championship game.

Marty's been coaching in the NFL since 1975. He's been a head coach in the NFL for a full twenty years. Hey, if you want to give him another go 'round, thinking he'll finally find lightning in a bottle at 65 years of age, and somehow overcome his own inherent martyocrity, well, more power to ya.

I agree with your post. But Marty actually made it to the AFC Championship game once with Montana. And didn't one of his Cleveland teams lose to Elway in an AFC Championship game?

DeezNutz 01-18-2009 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5400938)
Elway is a bad comparison, he went to two Superbowls in the 80s. Marty never even sniffed the championship game.

?

'86 and '87. Both losses in the AFC Championship Game. I'd consider that a sniff.

The KC run is obvious, so I'm not listing that.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-18-2009 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5400938)
Elway is a bad comparison, he went to two Superbowls in the 80s. Marty never even sniffed the championship game.

Marty's been coaching in the NFL since 1975. He's been a head coach in the NFL for a full twenty years. Hey, if you want to give him another go 'round, thinking he'll finally find lightning in a bottle at 65 years of age, and somehow overcome his own inherent martyocrity, well, more power to ya.

And Rat has tasted all he ever will. Bank it!

melbar 01-18-2009 12:39 AM

Come on you know what I'm saying here! OK mr. apples to apples...
Dungy went 11 yrs losing in the playoffs till he won.
Coughlin went 11 yrs without winning a sb.

Shula went 22 yrs after their 73 championship and never won again.

Marty has a higher winning pct. than all of them.

melbar 01-18-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5400938)
Elway is a bad comparison, he went to two Superbowls in the 80s. Marty never even sniffed the championship game.

Marty's been coaching in the NFL since 1975. He's been a head coach in the NFL for a full twenty years. Hey, if you want to give him another go 'round, thinking he'll finally find lightning in a bottle at 65 years of age, and somehow overcome his own inherent martyocrity, well, more power to ya.

He has one of the highest winning percentages in history!

To the contrary he would have gone to the SB with the Browns if Byner hadnt fumbled on the goal line. NOT Martys fault. Would that justify all the other wins after? Shula didnt win another SB in 22 yrs till he retired.

bowener 01-22-2009 12:06 AM

Word.

Colorado Chief 01-22-2009 12:12 AM

Drew Souchier on channel 9 (NBC) news here in Denver also reported the same news that they received from their NBC affiliates in KC..

Surprised ESPN hasn't heard of this..

blueballs 01-22-2009 12:15 AM

Shanahan needs a fat D coordinator
Out with Hermin and the German
in with Shanny and the Fanny

DenverChief 01-22-2009 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5414567)
Word.

:)

Direckshun 01-22-2009 01:03 AM

So what's the update in this thread?

Is Shanny a realistic possibility?

Hammock Parties 01-22-2009 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5414618)
So what's the update in this thread?

Is Shanny a realistic possibility?

Yes. He has been for some time now.

JuicesFlowing 01-22-2009 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Colorado Chief (Post 5414576)
Drew Souchier on channel 9 (NBC) news here in Denver also reported the same news that they received from their NBC affiliates in KC..

Surprised ESPN hasn't heard of this..

Oh they have. They just don't give a crap about KC. They are too focused on worshiping the Cowboys.

smittysbar 01-22-2009 03:06 AM

What hatred we would have in the West............I love it

DaKCMan AP 01-22-2009 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 5414683)
Oh they have. They just don't give a crap about KC. They are too focused on worshiping the Cowboys.

Get over the inferiority complex. Yesterday the Chiefs "supposed" interest in Haley was the 2nd topic discussed on both ATH and PTI.

BigRedChief 01-22-2009 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Colorado Chief (Post 5414576)
Drew Souchier on channel 9 (NBC) news here in Denver also reported the same news that they received from their NBC affiliates in KC..

Surprised ESPN hasn't heard of this..

What news?

Also what about the "Rooney Rule"? Pioli can't hire anyone without the job being officially open. Then he has to interview a minority candidate. Herm doesn't count.

MahiMike 01-22-2009 07:16 AM

This IS truly the best scenario that could happen with the Chiefs. The best GM + the best coach available. Shanahan's teams were dominant even before he was GM. Without those worries, he'll have us in the playoffs in 2 years. And for all you "gotta groom a QBOTF" guys, he's your man.

Goapics1 01-22-2009 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5414618)
Is Shanny a realistic possibility?

Right now, I will puke if Shanny is Chiefs coach. I'm anxiously awaiting to get Whitlock's opinion. JWhit may sway me to accept this.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5414619)
Yes. He has been for some time now.

Only in your mind, my young padawan.

ChiefMojo 01-22-2009 07:31 AM

Shanny has been in the cards of nearly a week or more. That is fact. It has been proven he has talked with the Chiefs about the job. While the National media ran around lost with their heads stuck in the ground making up stories about Todd Haley, the Chiefs have only been worry about Shanahan and possibly Cowher. Wouldn't surprise me they have already dealt with their Rooney Rule candidate also.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Goapics1 (Post 5414759)
Right now, I will puke if Shanny is Chiefs coach. I'm anxiously awaiting to get Whitlock's opinion. JWhit may sway me to accept this.

I could have a plate of delicious ribs in front of my face, and if Twit walked by and said "those are really good, you'll like them", I'd get up and leave the table AND the food.
(which was probably what he wanted anyway)

VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION RAT!

BigRedChief 01-22-2009 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 5414765)
Wouldn't surprise me they have already dealt with their Rooney Rule candidate also.

No need to. when you change GM's exsiting black head coaches qualify for the Ronney rule.

Reerun_KC 01-22-2009 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5414779)
No need to. when you change GM's exsiting black head coaches qualify for the Ronney rule.

Not according to Zouk..... Besides where in the Rooney rule does it state that you cant interview a HC when you have a HC under contract?

BigRedChief 01-22-2009 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5414785)
Not according to Zouk..... Besides where in the Rooney rule does it state that you cant interview a HC when you have a HC under contract?

Possibly
Adam Schefter
Rooney Rule still in play for Chiefs <!-- p class="post-info-author">By Adam Schefter</p -->


Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Kansas City Chiefs, Herm Edwards, Scott Pioli
It hasn’t come up, and it might not. But if it should, here’s the answer to a question that some have posed since the Kansas City Chiefs hired general manager Scott Pioli on Wednesday.

Pioli’s meetings with Chiefs coach Herm Edwards don’t meet the requirements of the Rooney Rule, which mandates that NFL teams interview at least one minority head-coaching candidate.
The interpretation of the Rooney Rule is that teams can’t meet with an incumbent minority for the purpose of creating a vacancy and claim that they have followed the rule. The rule isn’t followed unless a legitimate minority candidate is interviewed.

It’s permissible for Pioli to fire Edwards, but it isn’t permissible for him to hire, say, Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz without first interviewing at least one minority head-coaching candidate.

Pioli said Wednesday that he plans to meet with Edwards before making any decisions about whom the Chiefs’ head coach will be. If Pioli retains Edwards, this point is moot. But if Pioli moves in another direction, he and the Chiefs still must comply with the Rooney Rule.

FringeNC 01-22-2009 08:01 AM

I just don't think the Rooney Rule is going to be a problem. All it requires is an interview, and who says the interview hasn't already occurred. The real question is whether there is mutual interest between Pioli, and Shanahan. If there is, then this will get done. And frankly, I don't put a lot of stock into what Jack Harry says, especially the time frame.

Edit: Here's an easy scenario in which the Rooney Rule becomes irrelevant. Suppose you agree to terms with Mike Shanahan as HC and Romeo Crennel as DC. To satisfy the Rooney Rule, you bring in Crennel, and interview him first, and notify the NFL you interview him for HC, when in reality you didn't, he knows it, and is fine with it.

Amnorix 01-22-2009 08:08 AM

My view of Pioli's view.

1. BB has the HIGHEST regard for Shanahan. The two of them have obvious, tremendous mutual respect. I would not be surprised if BB considers Shanahan the best HC in the NFL (other than himself, if he's that immodest). That would mean Pioli would want Shanahan.

2. I would think Pioli would be VERY CONCERNED about Shanahan's ability to work FOR someone else. He has run his own show in Denver for a long time. Can he agree to give up control over player acquisitions. Shanahan's own history is what works best in Pioli's favor here, but I imagine before Shanahan gets hired they will have VERY LONG talks about this subject.

3. Pioli no doubt wants the same "mind meld" on players and team building that he had with BB. I'm dubious that he can get that with Shanahan, who is older and been successful, etc., and is more likely to be inflexible.

We'll see. I think Shanahan is a tremendous coach, though I've hated that rat faced jerk for ages now. Shanahan the Coach's worst enemy has been Shanahan the GM. With a good GM...

Lzen 01-22-2009 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5397850)
Is there anyone who would rather have Herm over Shanahan?

That's like asking if you would prefer to eat a pile of crap over a pile of vomit.

FringeNC 01-22-2009 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5414825)
My view of Pioli's view.



2. I would think Pioli would be VERY CONCERNED about Shanahan's ability to work FOR someone else. He has run his own show in Denver for a long time. Can he agree to give up control over player acquisitions. Shanahan's own history is what works best in Pioli's favor here, but I imagine before Shanahan gets hired they will have VERY LONG talks about this subject.

.


That's why I question whether this will happen, along with how to structure Shanahan's salary so he won't effectively be working for free.

Rooster 01-22-2009 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5398823)
I'll say this.

If this actually happens, and we end up hiring Shanahan, we will be hiring an amoral cheater who has not accomplished anything outside of Elway, whom I've sworn to always hate and disrespect, as our decision-maker on the field.

Basically, I will hate it.

This

Lzen 01-22-2009 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 5414765)
Shanny has been in the cards of nearly a week or more. That is fact. It has been proven he has talked with the Chiefs about the job. While the National media ran around lost with their heads stuck in the ground making up stories about Todd Haley, the Chiefs have only been worry about Shanahan and possibly Cowher. Wouldn't surprise me they have already dealt with their Rooney Rule candidate also.

Fact? Proven? Please point me to the links that show that fact and prove this.

Codered 01-22-2009 08:23 AM

I just find it amusing that the one thing you hear when it comes to Scott Piloi is that he is tight lipped and he is very thorough in his processes.

Yet people (including media members *cough* Jack Harry) fall for water cooler talk.

The Chiefs will have to go through some sort of interviewing process if/when Herm is fired. Even if they go into the process with a front runner when it begins all bets are off.

Rooster 01-22-2009 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5414817)
I just don't think the Rooney Rule is going to be a problem.

I assumed that the Rooney rule was null and void now that Obama is president. :D

the Talking Can 01-22-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5414825)
My view of Pioli's view.

1. BB has the HIGHEST regard for Shanahan. The two of them have obvious, tremendous mutual respect. I would not be surprised if BB considers Shanahan the best HC in the NFL (other than himself, if he's that immodest). That would mean Pioli would want Shanahan.

2. I would think Pioli would be VERY CONCERNED about Shanahan's ability to work FOR someone else. He has run his own show in Denver for a long time. Can he agree to give up control over player acquisitions. Shanahan's own history is what works best in Pioli's favor here, but I imagine before Shanahan gets hired they will have VERY LONG talks about this subject.

3. Pioli no doubt wants the same "mind meld" on players and team building that he had with BB. I'm dubious that he can get that with Shanahan, who is older and been successful, etc., and is more likely to be inflexible.

We'll see. I think Shanahan is a tremendous coach, though I've hated that rat faced jerk for ages now. Shanahan the Coach's worst enemy has been Shanahan the GM. With a good GM...

#2 is my concern...eventually the Rat is going to get fat and happy again and start agitating for control...but Pioli is getting big bucks to handle this, so...

and, honestly, the Rat has made a crap ton of terrible personnel decisions in the last 5-6 years, especially in FA...and in the playoffs, he has been destroyed and humiliated worse than the Chiefs....

i'm worried the guy is just out of good ideas....the only thing that excites me about him is that he will not be afraid to draft a QB....i'd almost say that his hire meant we're gunning for a QB with the #3 pick

i'll warm up to it, but I think Pioli is really going to have to enforce limits with him: "You coach. Period"

Frankie 01-22-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Goapics1 (Post 5414759)
Right now, I will puke if Shanny is Chiefs coach. I'm anxiously awaiting to get Whitlock's opinion. JWhit may sway me to accept this.

He's already on the Haley bandwagon.

RustShack 01-22-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5414817)
I just don't think the Rooney Rule is going to be a problem. All it requires is an interview, and who says the interview hasn't already occurred. The real question is whether there is mutual interest between Pioli, and Shanahan. If there is, then this will get done. And frankly, I don't put a lot of stock into what Jack Harry says, especially the time frame.

Edit: Here's an easy scenario in which the Rooney Rule becomes irrelevant. Suppose you agree to terms with Mike Shanahan as HC and Romeo Crennel as DC. To satisfy the Rooney Rule, you bring in Crennel, and interview him first, and notify the NFL you interview him for HC, when in reality you didn't, he knows it, and is fine with it.

Who says it hasn't occured? Probably the fact we aren't supposed to interview people since we already have a head coach?

BigChiefFan 01-22-2009 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5415008)
Who says it hasn't occured? Probably the fact we aren't supposed to interview people since we already have a head coach?

Who says we can't interview another coach when we still have one? Vermeil ring any bells for you?

jwazzie 01-22-2009 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 5414829)
That's like asking if you would prefer to eat a pile of crap over a pile of vomit.

That is a tough one...anybody have salt? No, I change my mind, I will take what is behind door number three

splatbass 01-22-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5415008)
Who says it hasn't occured? Probably the fact we aren't supposed to interview people since we already have a head coach?

Like we didn't talk to Vermiel before Gun was fired?

Reerun_KC 01-22-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 5415088)
Like we didn't talk to Vermiel before Gun was fired?

Or like when Carl didnt tamper with Herm before DV retired...

Gonzo 01-22-2009 09:32 AM

Maybe he'll hire gruden as a coordinator that way I can go ahead and take the next 5 yrs. worth of Sundays off.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 5415125)
Maybe he'll hire gruden as a coordinator that way I can go ahead and take the next 5 yrs. worth of Sundays off.

Cordoba!

Reerun_KC 01-22-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 5415125)
Maybe he'll hire gruden as a coordinator that way I can go ahead and take the next 5 yrs. worth of Sundays off.

Like we havent taken the last 3 off with Herm?

Gonzo 01-22-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5415219)
Like we havent taken the last 3 off with Herm?

Nope,
I've always watched. I just don't know wether or not I'm going to if they do hire this pos.

Maybe, maybe not.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 5415247)
Nope,
I've always watched. I just don't know wether or not I'm going to if they do hire this pos.

Maybe, maybe not.

What? You don't want to watch four quarters of the rat hunched over his clipboard, meandering around like John McCain, and nibbling cheese?

You are un-American, Sir. :rolleyes:

Reerun_KC 01-22-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 5415247)
Nope,
I've always watched. I just don't know wether or not I'm going to if they do hire this pos.

Maybe, maybe not.

Fair enough... Now you know how I felt about Herm...

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 10:06 AM

Ah yes, latest news on the wire:


NO LEGS TO SHANAHAN RUMOR.

Thank you, and good...****ing...night!

Hammock Parties 01-22-2009 10:07 AM

Please don't spread misinformation, DCS.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5415290)
Please don't spread misinformation, DCS.


ROFLROFLROFLROFL

I'm sorry, for a moment there my vision blurred and I thought you said, "Athan, please don't spread misinformation".

Hammock Parties 01-22-2009 10:14 AM

Don't make me hit you, boy.

Archie Bunker 01-22-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5415282)
Ah yes, latest news on the wire:


NO LEGS TO SHANAHAN RUMOR.

Thank you, and good...****ing...night!

LINK?

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-22-2009 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 5415325)
LINK?

Radio my friend, no linky. Source was Kyle Shanahan.


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