Neither do I. Maybe he can trade LJ and a 3rd or lower. I really think Pats are way out of line asking for a high 1st for Cassell.

How much value does LJ really carry now though?

Whoever falls to us at 3 is the best.

:)

Ball State QB Nate Davis to enter NFL draft early
By Associated Press | Tuesday, January 13, 2009 |

INDIANAPOLIS — Ball State coach Stan Parrish wasn’t surprised that quarterback Nate Davis decided to give up his senior season to enter the NFL draft.

"I always knew it was a possibility, a strong possibility when you have a player like him in today’s football climate," Parrish told the Associated Press in a telephone interview. "We talked about this a year ago."

Parrish, the former Ball State offensive coordinator who recently moved up to replace Brady Hoke as head coach, made the announcement Tuesday.

Davis led Ball State to a 12-0 start this past season, during which the Cardinals were ranked as high as 12th. The Cardinals lost to Buffalo in the Mid-American Conference championship game, then to Tulsa in the GMAC Bowl.

"I know what I’m about to do won’t be easy," Davis said in a statement. "But it’s what my heart and head want to do at this time. It’s the right thing for me and my family at this time."

The junior threw for 26 touchdowns and only eight interceptions this season and his quarterback rating was 13th in the nation.

The previous season, he passed for school records of 3,667 yards and 30 touchdowns. He leaves as the school’s leader in touchdown passes (74), yards passing (9,233), attempts (1,124) and completions (678).

Parrish said Davis, a 6-foot-2, 217-pound right-hander, has the tools to excel in the NFL.

"He can make every throw," Parrish said. "He can make the long throws, the touch throws. He’s got a lot of God-given talent you really don’t coach."

Davis stood out in Parrish’s mind as a leader.

"I don’t think he ever missed a day of practice, hurt or not hurt," Parrish said. "He has a passion for the game that I thought spilled over to the other players."

Davis said his one regret was that he never won a conference title. But Parrish said Davis and Dante Love, the receiver who led the nation in yards per game before suffering a career-ending spinal injury this season, raised expectations for future Ball State teams.

"Nate and Dante, in particular, took this program to new heights," Parrish said. "That bar is very, very high. And wouldn’t you rather the bar be high than low?"

Parrish said he’ll miss Davis.

"He’s like a son to me," Parrish said. "Like all fathers, you want your son to go out and do great in the world. I think he will."

Carl made Leon hard to trade. But if he really wants out and Pioli wants him out maybe they can get together and tear up the old contract and do a new one to make him more tradable. Maybe some team will still have some love for him.

Si. Color me unimpressed with that guy.

And what a premature ejaculation-fest of gargantuan "Meh" THAT would be.

I want no part of Matt Cassel.

Possible, but feels like a big stretch doesnt it?

I'm going to be nervous as **** on draft day. I will be devestated if they are picked 1 and 2 and are off the board.

5th rd pick at most. And that's not even factoring in the money.

Leon???

I think you've forgotten who we just hired. If The Man wants Matt or Mark, then Matt or Mark he will have.

Occasionally, rarely, in the same way Haley's Comet comes about, 810 produces a gem of helpful knowledge.

This Century's entry is the following:

"GM's will more often than not be happy to trade that first-round, first pick. Why? If that pick is a bust it's on their heads, and most of them are not that brave".

We will get who ever the hell Scott Pioli wants.

Print It!

I will say this, as someone who holds no love for Matt Stafford (gee, you think):

If Pioli has a choice between the two and chooses Stafford, I will shut the hell up about the flaws that appear glaring to me and get 100 percent behind him.

Weird. Nice to have a GM you actually trust...

aint it though?

Pioli can do whatever he wants & I'll support it.
I'm sure there will be times I wonder WTF, but I have faith in Pioli.
I feel the same way about Dayton Moore too.

Frankie you shouldn't be allowed to post in QB threads all you talk about is how you don't want em, you did it last year and now you're doing it again...

If Frankie was our GM we'd never have a QB ever.

The fear of the QB position it's back out just like it was last year, last year it was Croyle now it's Thigpen, the same things said about Ryan are being said about these guys...never fails.

What's the lowest possible spot you see Sanchez falling to?

I think he's a lock in the top 15...I'd have said all 3 of them were probably locked in the top 15, now with 2 of them and it being these 2, I think they're both off the board by 10.

I agree.

I don't think either of them would have declared if they weren't given the impression by the advisory board and others that they weren't going Top 10.

Damn! Pick up some picks as well as draft Sanchez before he gets to San Fran, Great Scott!!

I wouldn't do that.....a QB is the position that could make a team give up alot to move...a cheap team like Cincinnatti probably wouldn't have a problem dropping down for that kind of offer either.

Ah I see. It's pretty much draft him at 3, not even view offers at trade down to the 5 spot because of the offering value of other teams. Leaves us with a chance to squander our QBOTF chances.:rolleyes:ROFL

Im sure Aaron Rodgers thought the same thing.

Check out this mock, like our 2nd round pick?

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...mock_draft.htm

ROFL

reeruns.

Looks like Frankie has a mock.

So, even though we haven't have the combines, stats, etc etc (Not that it's gonna matter much to Pioli) it's almost a sure thing that Stafford is a top 5.

Let's assume the Lions take Stafford, and the Rams take a OT, which leaves the Chiefs and the possibility of getting Sanchez for the 3rd pick. Keep in mind I'm only asking, but would it be considered a "reach" even though he is projected at top 10, but not a "Top 3" or "Top 5" status?

Plus Everette Brown falls to the 2nd round......

34!? :eek:LMAO

Jeezus, they need a disclaimer:

*This mock was assembled by the finest lab-monkeys PETA could steal for us...:doh!:

Wrong. I'm saying they have not shown ENOUGH for me to "want" them at 3. I'm all for getting players AT VALUE. To me neither has shown the value of 3rd pick. I consider Sanchez closer to that value than Stafford, btw.

Check out this mock, like our 2nd round pick?

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...mock_draft.htm
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Reverse the picks and you would have a better chance of that happening.

I agree. Detroit will perhaps take one at 1 (big reach, IMO, especially for Stafford). Other teams might get antsy and reach for the other.

I'd be happy with that.

Damit n00b:cuss:

Think thats funny

Check out their 2010 mock draft:
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...FL%20Draft.htm

This really means nothing, but I found it interesting anyway.

If you use Sanchez' season stats and compile a NFL passer rating, it comes to 113.04

If you do the same for Stafford, it comes to 101.72.

Mock drafts for a current year are unscientific and inaccurate enough. Projecting drafts for a future years are downright asinine.

Not only that but.....

12 QB, Colt McCoy, Texas Chad Pennington is not the long term answer for the Dolphins and McCoy is a big, tough, winning quarterback with a nice arm.

The biggest problem with that is they have the bronco's picking at 12 not the Dolphins

Insane isnt it?

People want us to make the same mistakes we made last year.

*This mock was created by the finest dartboard and blindfold money could buy.

What mistake? We had no shot at Ryan.

I don't get it..what is the fascination with Stafford and Sanchez? When was the last good QB to come from those programs, respectively? People on here whine about how posters are afraid to take a QB in the top 3 pick, but why are you scared about taking a DE with a top 3 pick? Yes, I know, you are not scared, but it'd be stupid to take a DE instead of a QB, great talk. This "Planet" has as much intelligent life on it as Pluto.

I'm pretty sure that Carson Palmer guy is pretty good.....

So how about you think about what you say before you say it, some of us don't want a DE because they aren't worth those picks, anyone who thinks Brian Orakpo is worth the 3rd pick is crazy.

Is he?! What has he been able to do for his team other than put up great regular season stats? The only thing missing from your post is calling me a noob, that would really make things complete..

....Are you really going to tell me Carson Palmer sucks....cmon go for it, it's dumb but that's basically what you're doing.

Ah well it's no more dumb than claiming that someone isn't a good prospect due to the school he went to. I guess someone should have informed Steve McNair that since he went to Alcorn State that meant he couldn't be any good.

By the way, when did we take Derrick Thomas?

Didn't say that..but you're basically making my argument for me..yes he's great and all, but what has his team done with him behind center? Not a whole lot considering his defense has been horrible over the years. Plus, I've seen you discuss how big 12 QB's are horrible as a whole, so take a step back..

None of these guys are remotely that kind of prospect....do you realize how good the top of that Derrick Thomas draft was?

If you don't like QB's you better start listing off who you like better, and if you list off some guy who's likely not a top 10 pick I will laugh at you...

I'd love to see someone try to argue for Orakpo talk about a school I wouldn't draft a player from that's one of them.

All the Big 12 QB's are in the spread...I wouldn't draft a spread QB...

I don't see why that is a big deal, guys coming from a pro style offense are much more likely to succeed.

I like trading down is what I prefer, to get more picks..which I'm pretty sure Pioli will do. He does find pretty damn good prospects in the lower end of the draft. Especially at QB. The not so obvious choices. There were only 3 guys ahead of Thomas, so that's not arguing much. Aikman and Sanders were good, but Mandarich?

The odds of trading out of a top 5 pick is slim and none not to mention when the Pats built their team they didn't trade out...they stayed put and took Seymour and moved up for Warren who are 2 of the higher drafted players on their roster.

And yes Mandarich was the 1 bum but the other top 5 picks where...Aikman, Barry Sanders. DT, and Deion..

There's nothing like that this year.

Unless I missed something, Beli-balls didn't come to Arrowhead with Pioli. This is PIOLI'S show now, and he may choose to do things a bit differently than he did with his old mentor in New England.

I think it's really funny and weird to see some people acting like because of Tom Brady he won't draft a QB high...

I'm pretty sure Tom Brady has made him value the QB position as much as anyone in the league and don't think a guy as smart as Scott Pioli doesn't realize what a luck of the draw getting him in the 6th round was.

Cassell hide a nice season but the difference in Brady and Cassell was 5 games and playoffs and no playoffs.

Jets, Vikings, Niners all should have reason to move up to our spot..

.....the Jets and Vikings would have to trade 2 1st round picks plus alot more...they're way to far down you also don't drop from 3 to 20, that's just not smart. But frankly those teams would have to give up to much to move that far.

Don't expect a trade down, teams in the top 5 don't trade down even when they want to.

The most absurd aspect of that take, is that you have to assume a hypothetical that just doesn't exist!

Even if he was still with NE that scenario doesn't exist, and is not going to repeat itself!
This years draft is not last years draft, or the draft(s) before THAT! :doh!:
This also happens to be a different team with different needs! Oi!

There's a very simple three-part formula to this process, and you follow it.
Under special circumstances you wheel and deal if necessary, but the basic formula is sound.

And you forgot that Cassel had only started 15 games compared to Brady's, what, 110 games?

The point is why would anyone think a guy coming from a team that has always had a upper tier QB just all of the sudden not value the position?

I'm sorry the guy is way to smart to just think he can pull another HOFer out of the 6th round.

And knowing that from the get-go, as it relates to his college "starts" what do you think NE was looking at when they signed him?

Could it be.......Mechanics? Technique? Form?

Boo-ya! You just made a better case for Mark Sanchez in one post than I have in 20.

So why did they wait until the 7th round to take him? Because he wasn't the obvious choice. Nobody else saw the talent except those attached to the Pats organization. But anyways, I'll go ahead and take Pete Carroll's word for it over yours..compare the guy to Leinart and Palmer. Palmer had a good start but has since fallen off and Leinart hasn't done jack since he's been in the NFL.

But it doesn't matter, I don't claim to be an expert or anything, I won't be back until the draft in April..GO CHIEFS!

Pete Carroll is mad as a mother****er over this, and even a blind man can see it. I'd be mad too. Mark is a once in a decade player who could easily take USC to the Big Show next year. He's as ready to jump to, and learn the next level as he will ever be.

As for Cassel, I'd call that good research meets BPA in the slot. If you wish to call it a calculated "choice", then we disagree.

Pioli has also shown the propensity to make a trade even if he's not getting exactly what the value chart shows, to make sure he benefits his team. Which is smart IMO. Like if the chart says you're supposed to get two firsts. He may settle for a first, and a 2nd, and a later pick, because it would be the best thing for his team.

And also because they were smart enough to know that he could be had that late in the draft. Why take him sooner when you don't have to? That doesn't make any sense.

I think Stafford has the most potential to become one of the GREATS, BUT I believe Sanchez is the sure deal. It almost seems like a lock to me that this guy will come in, and succeed. Although I know that it is impossible to say so for sure.

I'm glad to see you've come around on the DE's.

I was a fan of getting Palmer even before his great senior season. But I have to be fair here. He has had basically ONE great NFL season. So has Derek Anderson. Can't really use Palmer as a great example here.

Orakpo is overrated.

How big would the meltdown be if....Pioli decided to trade down pick up some extra picks & then picked Nate Davis in the 3rd round?

I can only imagine.

If we switch to 3-4 any time soon, Orakpo would be a beast OLB.

Even if Pioli thinks Nate Davis is a future HOFer?

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I can't believe all of this Sanchez = Leinart bullshit just because they went to the same school. Does Peyton Manning = Tee Martin? :doh!: Sanchez has more physical tools than Leinart and is also reportedly a student of the game versus party boy Leinart. Sanchez's lack of experience is a concern but the fact that he played at USC isn't, IMO.

IMO, Everrett Brown bypasses Orkapo when comes to flat out taking over games

I agree.

He takes over games against poor competition like Gholston did.

He was a force in his bowl game, and are forgetting about Demarcus Ware. He went up against shity competition in college and dominated there like he's doing in the pros. furthermore, Brown is more consistent than Gholston when comes to his proficiency.

Brown was hot and cold. Against Florida - no sacks, no tackles for a loss. Against Georgia Tech - no sacks, 1 tfl. Againt BC - no sacks, 1 tfl. He had some monster games (V. Tech), but also struggled against some of the better teams that FSU faced.

Very good post. Rep.

Once Bradford said he was staying wasn't it just in Sanchez's best interest to declare for the draft?

I'm inclined to believe that Bradford and Tebow's decision to return to school DID have a large bearing on his choice to come out. It makes sense from a positional standpoint though I'd be very curious to see where Bradford and Tebow would have ended up in the rankings after the Combine.