i sure will :)

you can stand me up at the gates of hell and I won't back down

How did you post in this thread then?

Anyway, Something tells me you're more likely to get banned than get your thread starting abilities back.

thread making i meant-and thanks for your opinion kstater, didn't know we needed opinions from a k-state fan

Heh, guess I was right.

Eh, I just dropped a temp on him. The real mods will decide his fate.

What's Pioli?

Works for me. He's gone for 2 days.

Heh, go ahead and disregard my PM.

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nah..we'll just ban ya

yeah why would somebody post false news

i couldn't agree more just ban him

So, who's mult was it? I bet it was Bugeater. Surely that guy isn't dumb enough to come back as the same name.

Na, it was him.

Which means, clearly he was dumb enough.

He's a VP. No personnel executive is above him in the Pats, but Belichick wears the crown.

Surely kstater was kidding. He'd better be at least, I'm in the infracting mood right now. :evil:

LMAO

I knew his Chiefs' views were stupid, but I didn't know he was full bore reerun.

Please don't infract me, it might push me over to get a drink.

Well you son of a...you WEREN'T kidding! Why I oughtta...:cuss:

So I guess he only has 2 1/2 hours to make a decision? Anything new on this front?

Did i miss something? Since when is bugeater a mod?

He's not. Any of the "supporters" (people in bold) can give out infractions. Three infractions = automatic temp ban.

So I can ban people? Where's Darth?

I really don't care that much, but how much do you have to donate to become a supporter? I've donated money in the past

I think that's a really bad idea.

Meh, it's been there since we changed to the new server.

And as for "how much," I have no idea. It's Kyle's deal.

$8075 in casino cash.

I know that, and doesn't appear to have been abused yet, but you know evetually some dumbass with money is going to get that and abuse it.

Not really, if any of us were to abuse the privilege we would lose them. About the only time I'll do anything is if someone is pissing all over the board, or threatening to in this case. This dipshit had a history of doing the same damn thing in the past, that's what he lost his thread starting ability for.

Did you give him all three infractions yourself or did you have help?

I did all three, I wasn't going to do anything other than report the post until he got smart with me. It has to be a pretty extreme situation before I'll do anything. The only other time I've taken any action was with a couple of Marlboro Chief's aliases.

I'd have helped if I'd known we could do that.

I didn't know it right away either, it wasn't until after one night when Marlboro Chief was able to litter the board with gay porn because there wasn't a mod around that I found out I could have stopped him.

I think we were all wrong about the NFL policy. I was under impression they could interview them during the bye week at least but the NFL has confirmed that club execs can't be interviewed at all until their teams season is over

There must be a loophole somewhere, as Spagnoulo, Schwartz, and Rex Ryan have all had interviews set up for this week.

They changed the policy for coaches but not execs. Why they didn't include execs I have no idea.

FYI

They never did.

This question came up years ago and I provided both a link and phone number to the NFL offices (when we had to give up picks for Herm.)

There was a TEMPORARY ban on trading coaches for picks while the NFL/OWNERS evaluated the situation after the Gruden trade/raping of Oaktown.

Temporary.

As I understand it you can now trade for coaches and the FO personel were never subject to the temporary ban and never had to be compensated for.

Cleveland Plain Dealer: Cleveland Browns like Eric Mangini, Scott Pioli, too. Can...
 

Cleveland Browns like Eric Mangini, Scott Pioli, too. Can they get them both?

The Browns' strong interest in fired Jets coach Eric Mangini could impact their search for a front-office executive, a league source with knowledge of the situation said Thursday.

The Browns interviewed Mangini on Tuesday night and were impressed with him. They interviewed Patriots Vice President Scott Pioli on Wednesday and liked him, too.

But it's unknown if the two would be willing to work together after the Spygate scandal, so for the Browns, it might come to this: Do they hire the coach they love or the general manager they love?

If the Browns hire Mangini, knowing there is evidence that the coach is the biggest indicator of a franchise's success, he'd probably already have his own right-hand personnel man in mind. If they hire Pioli, he'd undoubtedly be given the authority to hire his own coach.

One thing is certain: The Browns want their coach and GM in complete synch this time, so they'd let each man choose his partner. Pioli and Mangini were once close, but it is unknown exactly where they stand after the yearlong controversy over the Patriots' taping of the Jets' defensive signals.

Pioli left his meeting with the Browns still intent on going through with his scheduled interview with the Kansas City Chiefs. A source told The Plain Dealer on Thursday that the two sides parted ways with no timeframe for a decision from Pioli. The source said a report in the Boston Herald that the Browns gave him a deadline of Thursday was untrue.

The Browns were scheduled to interview Falcons President Rich McKay on Thursday, but the interview was postponed because McKay wanted to focus on Atlanta's playoff game Saturday in Phoenix against the Cardinals, a source said. Foxsports.com's Jay Glazer also reported Thursday that McKay and the Browns talked but "McKay informed them he is happy where he is and did not want to interview for the job or consider it until after the rest of the candidates had run their course in Cleveland."

Perhaps McKay sensed the Browns were going in a different direction, and that direction would be either Pioli or Mangini.

The Browns continue to interview other head coaching candidates, but it could be difficult for any of them to trump Mangini. They interviewed Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo on Thursday and will meet with Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz on Saturday. They've also received permission to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and will interview Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker over the next couple of days.

Tucker also will interview for the Jets' head coach vacancy, profootballtalk.com reported Thursday.

If none of those candidates outshine Mangini, the Browns - who want to act fast - could offer Mangini a contract soon.

But the Browns also were of the mind that things could change quickly and that Pioli could be ready to leave New England. A source said Pioli had things to work out before making up his mind on what he wanted to do.

Spagnuolo also interviewed with the Lions on Thursday and will meet with the Jets on Saturday. He's believed to be the Jets' No. 1 candidate. McDaniels also is being wooed by the Broncos, ESPN.com reported.

The Browns are still interested in talking to fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, but he is not expected to be a top candidate.

Meanwhile, Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, who would reportedly be on Pioli's short list of candidates, said Thursday after the Outback Bowl: "Scott's a great friend of mine and I think it's a mutual thing. I think it's presumptuous to think anybody knows what he's doing right now. He and I haven't talked in three weeks. We've both been doing our jobs. I've got a great job at Iowa. I've said that many, many times. The people are fantastic and I just feel very fortunate."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:
mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670

The biggest negative about Pioli at this point is the strong potential that he may hire the likes of Ferentz or Mangini if he's hired as a GM.

And from the same site.

Scribbles in my Browns notebook
by Terry Pluto, Plain Dealer Columnist
Friday January 02, 2009, 12:15 AM

Don't be surprised if Eric Mangini becomes a major figure as the Browns look for both a coach and a general manager. The former New York Jets coach met with the Browns on Tuesday, and they came away impressed. The Browns want a different-type coach from Romeo Crennel, with more emphasis on discipline and organization, and they think Mangini could be the guy.

The Browns prefer not to hire a rookie coach. They have done a ton of research and believe a coach in Mangini's position -- having spent a few years with one team, then fired -- often is much better the second time around. Tony Dungy (fired by Tampa Bay, Super Bowl in Indianapolis) and Bill Belichick (fired by Art Modell, Super Bowls in New England) are two recent examples. Mangini spent three years as the Jets' coach: 10-6, 4-12 and 9-7. He will be 38 on Jan. 19.

Based on their research, the Browns believe a new coach's most important hires are the offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, offensive line and defensive back coaches. The research also shows rookie head coaches often swing and miss in two of those key four hires -- whereas experienced head coaches have more success building a staff that works well together.

Yes, the Browns will talk to some assistants who have not been head coaches before, but it does not seem to be the direction that they want to go now.

Looking back to 2005, Randy Lerner was a rookie owner who hired a rookie GM in Phil Savage and a rookie head coach in Crennel. The two coordinators -- Todd Grantham and Maurice Carthon -- also were rookies. The Browns don't want to get through all that again.

The Browns are not sure where they stand with New England Vice President Scott Pioli. Kansas City is also courting him and it would not be a shock if he decided to stay in New England for another season. Like Bill Cowher, he can go on the market after the 2009 season and still be a hot item. I sense the Browns would love to put together Pioli and Mangini. Supposedly, the two with Belichick roots still get along despite Mangini turning in Belichick on the Spygate charges.

Leadership, communication skills and creating an identity for the team remain on the top of the list as the Browns interview coaches and executives. After firing Crennel and Savage, they targeted these three experienced football men: Mike Holmgren, Cowher and Pioli. Holmgren and Cowher say they will sit out 2009. They did interview Pioli, but realize they have to find other candidates. When Mangini was fired Monday, the Browns were immediately intrigued because they like his leadership skills.

What about the Jets' collapse? Mangini had them off to an 8-3 start, then they lost four of five to miss the playoffs. There were problems, but the biggest was the arm injury to Brett Favre. In the 8-3 start, Favre had 20 TD passes and 13 interceptions. In the 1-4 decline, it was two TDs and nine interceptions as Favre was playing with a torn bicep.

Quarterbacks can make or break coaches. Derek Anderson's hot start saved Crennel's job in 2007 and helped the coach to a contract extension. The Jets thought Favre had a better chance of staying healthy than Chad Pennington, whom they cut. Pennington went to Miami, didn't get hurt and made team president Bill Parcells look like a genius as he had 19 TDs compared with seven interceptions.

If the Browns do hire Mangini, they must pair him with a GM who is committed to the coach. Part of the Browns' problem in 2008 was a huge split between the front office and coaching staff over several players. That led to finger pointing from both directions. The Browns see how the Indians and Cavaliers stay not just on the same page, but even in the same sentences when their GMs and head coach/manager appear in public.

As for Mike Shanahan, the Browns might talk to him. But the former Denver coach has won only one playoff game since 1999, and is .500 over the past three seasons. As of now, he does not appear to be at the top of the list. Nor is Marty Schottenheimer in the current picture. Everything is subject to change, but Mangini is in the center of conversation right now.

I like Pioli, but I've said it before, he's a better fit in Cleveland.

I also tend to think De Costa and Polian have better draft records.

You would think that the fact that they are not going to allow the new GM (whoever it is) to choose the HC would be a big reason why some guys wouldn't take that GM job.

I seriously doubt Pioli goes to Cleveland if they are already interviewing coaches. If he can't choose the coach, why would he leave New England?

Seems to me it's KC or NE for Pioli.

I think it's true that Pioli wants Ferentz, and that Mangini would be a package with his close friend from the Ravens George Kokinis. The Browns are really stupid if they choose the latter team over the first one.

The more I read about DaCosta the more I like. I also like Marc Ross of the Giants.

Thought I would bump this back to the first page since I saw another Pioli thread there.

It would be nice to keep all the "Piloi" posts in one place.

So this is what started the what if threads

Apparently Pioli is supposed to be in town today to meet with Clark

Man I hope so. I want to see some signs of life in this GM search.

Couldn't this have gone int he Pioli watch thread?

How the hell does manboobs make Shanahan irrelevant
Warning to all NFL personnel: Just stay the **** away from Cleveland
or don't read the CLeveland's version of WPI

You would think that is the reason they merged the others.:doh!:

If that's where it belongs then a mod can certainly place it there. I typically like the news source stories to stay out of the multipage threads because I don't have the patience to go through 30 gabillion pages. YMMV.

Linky?

This is not accurate.

I heard it during an 810 "sportscenter" update, they haven't talked about it so far this morning though on sorens show

thanks

I would think any interview would happen in New England and not in Kansas City.

I'm just going off what i heard on an update, what do you know

I like Mark Ross. Also, Mangini got a bum wrap in NY. He was basically Jimmy Johnson w/the Dolphins. Handcuffed into playing an aging has-been. JJ got more time because of his reputation.

$100.00 and he'll get you an update.:p

Well i heard another SC update on 810 again and said he could "possibly" meet with Clark Hunt as early as today....

:shake:

Pioli's not going to fly to KC, Clark will go to him for the interview. It's not like a free agency visit.

So the story may be true, just flip-flopped. It's Clark "in town" to meet with Pioli.

Wrong wording, either way no official word yet..

Do we have somebody out at the airport to confirm this?

When is the interview with Pioli?
 

From the Cleveland Plains Dealer Newspaper:

One thing is certain: The Browns want their coach and GM in complete synch this time, so they'd let each man choose his partner. Pioli and Mangini were once close, but it is unknown exactly where they stand after the yearlong controversy over the Patriots' taping of the Jets' defensive signals.
Pioli left his meeting with the Browns still intent on going through with his scheduled interview with the Kansas City Chiefs. A source told The Plain Dealer on Thursday that the two sides parted ways with no timeframe for a decision from Pioli. The source said a report in the Boston Herald that the Browns gave him a deadline of Thursday was untrue.

Nick "the so called erroneous one" Athan has been all over this story on WPI and has provided information on the when and where of the meeting. However, since he has no credibility here, it would be pointless to quote the info he provided.

I believe it's scheduled for the day before he accepts the Browns' offer.

ROFL:clap:

Ok. That was funny!!!

With whom exactly is he going to interview? Is it just Clark Hunt?

Interview also seems like a strange way of putting it, unless it is meant as Pioli is interviewing Hunt.

From the New England Press Guide.

Scott Pioli is in his ninth season with the Patriots and along with Head Coach Bill Belichick has instilled a football philosophy designed to create a consistent championship contender in New England. Their work has produced an NFL-best three Super Bowl championships, four conference titles and six division crowns in the seven seasons since 2001. Pioli and Belichick's nine seasons together makes them the NFL's longest-tenured current personnel director/ head coach tandem.

Pioli's primary personnel objective is to build a team, not to simply collect individual talent. As a result, the Patriots have been able to prosper despite the NFL realities of injuries and the salary cap, which have proven in many cases to be impediments to long-term success in pro football. The depth and versatility of the clubs that Pioli and Belichick have assembled have been integral to the Patriots' success, as players from a wide spectrum of previous experience have played important roles in the team's achievements.

Once Pioli and Belichick arrived in New England in 2000, it took the pair just two seasons to rebuild the foundation of the team. Since orchestrating the franchise's first Super Bowl victory following the 2001 season, Pioli and Belichick have produced consistently solid results, becoming the only personnel director/head coach tandem in NFL history to win three Super Bowls in a four-year span (2001-04). The Patriots are the only NFL team to win at least one playoff game in each of the last five seasons (2003-07) and are the only team in the league to win nine or more games in each of the last seven seasons (2001-07). Additionally, New England's 11 playoff wins over the last five seasons are tied for the highest total by a team over any five-year span in NFL history. The Patriots' 14 playoff wins this decade tie the NFL record for most playoff wins in any decade, equaling the marks of the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers and the 1970s Dallas Cowboys.

In recognition of his achievements, Pioli was awarded The Sporting News' George Young NFL Executive of the Year award (voted on by NFL executives) following the 2003 and 2004 seasons. He is one of just three NFL executives, along with Bill Polian and Bobby Beathard, to win the award in consecutive years. Pioli is the youngest executive to win the award.

In 2007, the Patriots embarked on a record-setting campaign during which they became the first team in NFL history to complete a 16-0 regular season. Of the 53 players on the Patriots' Super Bowl XLII roster, 50 were acquired since 2000. New England set team records for total points scored (589), largest point differential (+315) and most touchdowns (75), while tying the league mark with 18 overall wins. Additionally, quarterback Tom Brady's 50 touchdown passes set an NFL record and Randy Moss's 23 touchdown receptions also set a league mark.

In each of the last five seasons, the depth and versatility of New England's roster helped overcome key injuries to win five straight AFC East titles. The Patriots have used an average of 40 different starters over the last five seasons, and claimed two NFL records for success in that category. In 2005, the Patriots set a post-merger league record for a division champion by utilizing 45 different starters. In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion. In 2004, the Patriots employed 40 different starters as they won their second consecutive Super Bowl, and in 2006 won their fourth straight AFC East title while using 39 different starters. Last season, the Patriots tied the all-time NFL record with 21 different players scoring touchdowns. Of the 53 players on the Patriots' Super Bowl XLII roster, 43 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001 and 31 were acquired since the team's third title in 2004.

The Patriots have used an effective combination of free agent signings, trades and draft picks to acquire championship-caliber players. In 2007, six Patriots players drafted by Belichick and Pioli were selected to the Pro Bowl and were named to the Associated Press All-Pro first or second teams. Those elite players came from a wide variety of draft positions - Tom Brady (sixth round), Dan Koppen (fifth round), Matt Light (second round), Logan Mankins (first round), Asante Samuel (fourth round) and Vince Wilfork (first round). Since 2000, Belichick/Pioli draft choices have earned one Associated Press Most Valuable Player Award (Brady), three Super Bowl MVP awards (Brady and Deion Branch) and 15 Pro Bowl berths (Seymour 5, Brady 4, Light 2, Koppen 1, Mankins 1, Samuel 1 and Wilfork 1). Veteran free agents signed by Belichick and Pioli include defensive co-captain Rodney Harrison, outside linebacker Mike Vrabel and three-time Pro Bowl special teams captain Larry Izzo among dozens of other contributors to New England's championship squads. New England's trades have netted improvement in drafting position that led to the ability to exchange draft picks for key veterans such as Randy Moss, who set the NFL record with 23 touchdown receptions in 2007, Wes Welker, who tied for the NFL lead with a team-record 112 receptions in 2007, and Corey Dillon, who set the Patriots' single-season rushing record in 2004.

Pioli was honored with Executive of the Year honors from national media outlets following the 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2007 seasons. Following the Patriots' first Super Bowl victory, the Dallas Morning News picked him as the league's top executive. Two seasons later, following Super Bowl XXXVIII, he earned Executive of the Year honors from Pro Football Weekly (voted on by the media), The Sporting News (voted on by NFL executives) and Sports Illustrated. In 2004, Pioli's accolades included the NFLPA's Award for Executive Achievement and NFL Executive of the Year awards from The Sporting News, USA Today, the San Francisco Chronicle and SI.com. In 2007, Pioli again earned Executive of the Year honors from Pro Football Weekly, the Dallas Morning News and the San Francisco Chronicle.

Pioli began his NFL career when Belichick hired him as a pro personnel assistant for the Cleveland Browns in 1992. In Cleveland, he was responsible for the evaluation of both college prospects and veteran free agents as well as negotiating various player contracts. He also coordinated all player tryouts. He was promoted to director of pro personnel after the Cleveland franchise moved to Baltimore in 1996. He spent one season with the Baltimore Ravens, where he oversaw all aspects of pro personnel and negotiated the contracts of free agents and several draft choices.

In 1997, while serving as head coach of the Jets, Belichick hired Pioli as the director of pro personnel. He was credited with the signing of a number of veteran free agents who played critical roles in the Jets' rebuilding process. In just two seasons, the Jets completed a worst-to-first turnaround, rebounding from 1-15 in 1996 to 12-4 in 1998. The 12 wins were the most in franchise history and gave the Jets their first division title since 1968.

Pioli played defensive tackle at Central Connecticut State (1983-87), where he was a three-time Division II All- New England selection. In 1988, after graduating with a degree in communications, he accepted a two-year graduate assistant position at Syracuse University, where he also earned a master's degree from the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications.

He accepted a full-time coaching opportunity at Murray State, where he spent one season as the offensive line coach (1990) and one season as the defensive line coach (1991). He left the coaching ranks to join the Browns personnel department in 1992.

Pioli was born on March 31, 1965 in Washingtonville, N.Y. He is an avid baseball fan. He currently serves on the board of directors for various non-profit foundations and serves on the board of directors for the College for Every Student Foundation, a national non-profit organization that partners with public schools in high-need communities to raise student aspirations and performance. He remains actively involved in fund raising for several organizations in his hometown (Washingtonville, N.Y.) and at his alma mater (Central Connecticut State). He established the Rose Pioli Scholarship in the name of his grandmother to benefit children of educators, professional firefighters, police and other emergency medical service providers. He was enshrined in the Central Connecticut State Hall of Fame in 2005. Scott and his wife, Dallas, have a daughter, Mia Costa Pioli.

From Wikipedia.

Scott Pioli (born March 31, 1965 in Washingtonville, New York) is a professional American football executive, currently serving as the Vice President of Player Personnel for the New England Patriots of the National Football League.

Education and athletics
Pioli attended Central Connecticut State University between 1983 and 1987, graduating in 1988 with a degree in communications. He was a three-time Division II All-New England selection as a defensive tackle. In 2005, Central Connecticut State inducted Pioli into their hall of fame.

College coaching career
At Syracuse University, Pioli earned his masters degree while also serving as a graduate assistant with the Syracuse football team from 1988 to 1989. In 1990, Pioli began a two-year stint at Murray State University as a offensive line coach in his first year, and a defensive line coach in his second year.

Professional executive career
In 1992, Pioli was hired as a pro personnel assistant by now-Patriots coach Bill Belichick, then the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Even without prior NFL scouting experience, Belichick put Pioli in charge of evaluating college players and handling some player contracts.

When Belichick was fired following the Browns' move to Baltimore in 1996, Pioli stayed with the Ravens and was promoted to director of pro personnel.

A year later, in 1997, Pioli rejoined Belichick, who had followed Bill Parcells as an assistant coach to the New York Jets. Again the director of pro personnel, Pioli's moves helped the Jets to a franchise-high 12 wins and their first AFC East title in 20 years.

When Belichick accepted the Patriots' head coaching position in 2000, Pioli again followed Belichick as the Patriots' assistant director of player personnel.

In their seven seasons with the Patriots, Pioli and Belichick have led the team to three Super Bowl championships and five division titles. In his tenure with the Patriots, Pioli has earned promotions to Director of Player Personnel and Vice President of Player Personnel in 2000 and 2002, respectively, as well as a contract extension in 2005.

Coaching resume
Syracuse
(Graduate Assistant)
Murray State
(Offensive Line Coach)
Murray State
(Defensive Line Coach)
Cleveland Browns
(Pro Personnel Assistant)
Baltimore Ravens
(Director of Pro Personnel)
New York Jets
(Director of Pro Personnel)
New England Patriots
(Assistant Director of Player Personnel)
New England Patriots
(Director of Player Personnel)
New England Patriots
(Vice President of Player Personnel)

Awards and honors
Pioli is the youngest and only one of three NFL executives to win the Sporting News' George Young NFL Executive of the Year Award in consecutive years, a feat he accomplished after winning the award for the second straight year following the 2004 season.[1]

2001 season
Further information: 2001 New England Patriots season
Dallas Morning News - NFL Executive of the Year Award

2003 season
Further information: 2003 New England Patriots season
Pro Football Weekly - NFL Executive of the Year Award
Sporting News - George Young NFL Executive of the Year Award
Sports Illustrated - NFL Executive of the Year Award

2004 season
Further information: 2004 New England Patriots season
NFL Players Association - Executive Achievement Award
San Francisco Chronicle - Executive of the Year Award
Sporting News - George Young NFL Executive of the Year Award
Sports Illustrated - NFL Executive of the Year Award
USA Today - NFL Executive of the Year Award

2007 season
Further information: 2007 New England Patriots season
Dallas Morning News - NFL Executive of the Year Award
Pro Football Weekly - NFL Executive of the Year Award
San Francisco Chronicle - Executive of the Year Award

Personal
Pioli and his wife Dallas have a daughter named Mia Costa. Dallas is the daughter of former Patriots coach Bill Parcells, making Pioli a son-in-law to Parcells.
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I love how he worked his way up the hard way - starting with coaching at Murray State. This guy is a real football man, not some stats-obsessed lawyer or accountant.

Parcells might be on the market if he decides he doesn't like the new Dolphin owner.

I think Marty is out there to pick him up.

Any updates on if Clark made it to NE?