Brodie can't throw down the field? Is that what he's saying?

What he sees in practice??? :shrug:

Basically. "We aren't going to go crazy."

So he extrapolates that to a game scenario?

For all you that are bashing DV I remember a time when the Chiefs were 13-0 and the East and West cost media were talking about us going 16-0. I would rather have a team that could score and make it interesting than a team that cant score a friggn field goal.

It's all a part of the plan. It's just to back up his conservative approach to the game. Brodie will never grow with this guy.

Failure is always an option.
That's simply not an excuse for not trying.

I think Herm needs to let loose more..no doubt, BUT i also think that there are other factors involved and it's not JUST one thing.

My .02

Up until last week probably. Now knowing herm and his MO it will take him till the rest of the regular season to figure out what many can see now. Herm is conservitive to a T. I don't expect him to let Brodie go wild on his first or second start in the NFL.

"We need to play to our strengths, and our strength is playing defense."

He then complains about not scoring many points.

Okay, I'm a football reerun, but even I can see the problem here...

kcnut, is that you?

Some like offense some like defense but unless you want to go far in the playoffs you must have defense and during that 13-0 season I think that was more than evident.

he should just be a defensive coordinator if his mind is so fixated towards defense. I think that makes more sense.

yep, they shouldn't even try to win.

Herm looked like the proverbial deer in the the headlights when he was asked, "You're 31st in rushing, so how are you going to win the game?"

This guy really is an idiot. For a while, I had hoped it was just a clever ploy.

Our defense needs to learn to get turnovers and take them to the house with herms attitude.

And therein lies the question, Mr. Donger. This point has been made before, but what the heck. Herm's trying to find refuge in this "we're not good on offense, so we don't put pressure on the offense" argument. In other words, limit what the players are asked to do because he believes they can't do stuff.

The problem is that, If Herm could truly evaluate a players on-field performance based on what he sees in practice, why have we been playing Drummond? Maybe, in the "big picture", it's the dismal ST blocking that's the problem. If so, why inactivate Drummond?

You have to question either a) Herm's ability to transfer his expectations of a player's performance to the field based on what he sees in practice or b) Assume that he's not exactly being honest about this.

Either way, it's time to burn the stadium.

FAX

Um ... no

But I guess I could return the favor and say chiefsfan1963 is that you?

Did you get that impression too? He didn't say it, but he sounds more confident of the defense scoring than the offense.

That may happen if they lose this weekend

I think we can agree that with this offense many of us believe this as well.

I agree DV needed more defense... but if you ask me who could take a team futher it's not Herm.

It is sad, isn't it!? Do you suppose the players have figured that out as well? Some of them are pretty sharp.

He seems to think this is last year's ravens defense

The part I don't understand is that Herm seems to be of the opinion that the offense under Croyle sucks. Based on what exactly?

Really, his reverse logic is truly marvelous to behold. He has an amazing ability to make an argument that has cause and effect backwards. I wonder if he has too many X chromosomes.

Let's burn the stadium and throw his chromosomes on the coals.

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He's a total dumbass, he's afraid croyle will throw 15 ints if he throws beyond 10 yards

Thats the problem. The reason they have lost three in a row, the defense isn't scoring. Brilliant.

I don't, at least not until what Croyle can do without having one of his hands tied to Herm's balls.

Maybe but I will hold off on that until we can have a more compairitive sample. So far Herm has matched DV results like it or not 1 lost playoff game. And I believe if we can fix the offensive line we will see a great increase in the productivity of the offense. IMO

It's clear now. Huard got beat to hell. The Chiefs aren't going to let Brodie get beat to hell. They will do everything in their power to prevent it.

That never happened.

I will concur until that the offesive line is fixed and we can run the ball to open it up more for Brodie. Until then I don't think we will see what Brodie can truely do. Well that and get rid of Solari and Curl.

I think he would say, film study. Clearly, our line sucks and Brodie isn't going to change that directly.

However, the argument could be made that a QB who can get the ball out faster, deeper, and with greater velocity and who gives us the threat of a rollout and, generally, more mobility under center would translate into improved line play.

Herm won't see it that way, though. Right now, it sounds like he's found a comfortable excuse that he's not going to put Brodie at risk. That doesn't explain the playcalling during Downfield's tenure, though. And, I promise you this ... Brodie doesn't want Herm to protect him from jack.

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You are painting funny pictures.

Herm might be the most stubborn man alive.

Maybe.

FAX

Am I? That's how I interpret Herm's comments.

The playcalling CHANGED in Indianapolis. We were MORE conservative than usual.

I've been trying to tell everyone this for two days now. I wrote about it.

They are coddling Brodie. They didn't coddle Huard.

Will they coddle him the rest of the season or open up the playbook sunday and hope we get 13 points this time?

Why would they change?

They don't want Brodie to get beat up.

It's obvious now. We're gonna run 30 times a game from here on out. No sense in letting Brodie throw too much!

This is great column fodder. Priest is the new Pinata!!!

Bingo! That is exactly what I was doing, interpretting the picture the way I see it. That is all any of us can do, because we only have the information they give us, or is leaked. Connecting the dots and drawing your own conclusion is half the fun and all we can do. For what it is worth, I tend to agree with you on this. However, I am extremely skeptical of Herm for the reasons already cited.

Thanks for the correction... Started 9-0 and ended 13-3 I believe. I still don't see Herm ever getting close to that type of record.

I find it amazing how a QB change reveals what the real problem on offense is?

I just remember last week, or a couple of weeks ago how many were bashing Huard. Croyle showed us he is better then Huard, and has upside, but just look how that shows and reveals who the real problem is?

Amazing.

I actually think he's saying this today to confuse Oakland. I predict we see significantly more downfield passing with Croyle at home. We'll see.

I have some free advice for Herm. Don't ever go into business for yourself buddy. It's too risky. You might lose money.

I think this is the most frustrated I've seen Herm in two seasons.

He's just flustrated at things not coming to fluition.

It's his own fault. That's what happens when you repeatedly do the same thing over and over expecting different results. That is Herm's problem.

Did he turn chinese all of a sudden?

I used to think it was some kind of attempt at cutesy affectation.

I'm now convinced it's just that he's a fucking idiot.

Herm "Chaos Theory" Edwards?

I like how King Carl was right there with Herm today.

The Chiefs don't go into any press conferences single-handedly. They bring the whole crew! Herm, Carl, Bob Moore, probably Bob Gretz and Pete Moris, too.

I predict that we will see more of the same shit, different day. Same kind of game we beat Oakland with at their house. Heck, he might be even more conservative, if that is possible, because he will think that he can count on Oakland to fug up more(turnovers), a key component to all of his game plans.

Look, he basically threw the entire team, especially the Offense, under the bus with that presser. Not once did he ever mention that he talked to Mike to make him mix it up a little on first down? Nor did you hear him take any responsibility for them not showing a scintilla of creativity in their play calling. Nope, its all on the talent of the team. None of the responsibility is in the OC, the game plan, or Head Coach.

Sorry about that. That chit doesn't wash with me anymore. If you do what you have always done, you will get what you always got. Herm ain't changing. I actually think if he had Tom Brady, Matt Light, and Randy Moss he would STILL find a way to score less than 14 points.

If you judge him on what his says in his press conferences and his parrot like ability to repeat himself both in his words and actions I predict we'll see no more success under Herm than we did with Gunther.

What's really maddening about this is that Herm seems to think everyone expects the #1 offense.

WE DON'T. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE REALIZE THAT IS GONE AND NOT COMING BACK.

The vast majority of fans would probably be satisfied with the offense as it produced last year.

"WE ARE NEVER WRONG"

The 2007 mantra of the Kansas City Chiefs!

Im wouldn't be satisfied with that.

Heck I want a good offense, and a good defense. Im tired of this franchise always been one-dimensional and lack balance.

I'd almost guarantee it -- mainly because we're at home.

When that fool sees a lot of red, as in empty seats red, and the few left are booing his ass when he runs Priest off the LGaurds ass for no gain, then maybe he might throw a couple of passes. But even then, they will never be beyond the first down marker on 3rd down.

I agree with this, too.

Most of the criticisms aren't of the "do the exact opposite" variety, i.e., "let's throw the ball 50 times a game."

Most critics, IMO, understand and accept Herm's strategy (at least in the Indy game). They just want to see some tactical changes. Go deep occasionally to loosen up the D. Call plays that force the D to defend the whole field. Throw on first down. Throw past the down markers. We have a QB now that, I think, can do that stuff better than the old one.

It's about how and when you pass, not how much. But when every pass is a virtual extension of the running game, you're not gonna accomplish much.

Do you read this forum? There's plenty of stupid people who don't realize that.

and score some damn points!

Now you're just being unrealistic. That's Arena League stuff. This is the NFL, son.

This team is such a joke. Did anyone else notice Terry Bradshaw giggle when the Chief’s were mentioned at halftime? Pathetic just pathetic.

Well stated, Mr. siberian khatru. That's exactly how I feel.

Interestingly, none of those items necessarily lead to additional danger to Brodie from the baddies. In fact, they would reduce the danger.

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Good point, they are the same people, but just look different.

I backed Huard, but he was part of the problem towards the end. However, you're correct in that Herm Edwards philosophy is the biggest offensive liability on this team. Has been from day one.

OK. So at the end of last year the high octane offense puts too much pressure on the D. Now the low octane Offense is putting too much pressure on the D. Which is it?

There was no high octane offense last season. I dont know what games you were watchin.

Herman Edwards thinks that Bill Belichick is really screwing up by scoring all those points.

Rain Man, have your permanently altered you brain chemistry or something?

Have you ever heard about that phenomenon where people's hair turns white if they live through a highly traumatic event? Well, last Sunday turned my attitude white.

What color was your attitude before?

The media needs to call him out on it, but lure him in...

Herm, your strategy worked well for 3 quarters, and really kept the team in the game. It was 10-10 after 3 quarters, and I know no one in this room thought that would happen [chuckle]. However, after Croyle had just driven the team down for a touchdown and forced the Colts to punt, you deferred on offense and gave the ball back to soon-HoF quarterback and commercial star Peyton Manning. You forced the Colts to punt again, yet deferred again. Exactly how many times would you have done that until you realized the Colts aren't going to do anything stupid either, and actually try to score points on offense?

ROFL

That question would have sent him into a stuttering fit the likes of which has not been seen by man nor beast. He would have wound up talking about laundrymats or something.

FAX

Red, with gold trim.

So how does not going for a first down on 3rd and long help the defense?

[HemiEd with hand raised!] See if you run the draw play, or complete a short pass, the clock keeps running. So essentially you have shortened the game and time the defense needs to be on the field.
If you throw on 3rd and long, (everyone knows we don't have the talent to complete it), the clock will stop.

Herm does have this shit figured out, anyone else notice our game was over a full 30 minutes quicker than normal? Ticket prices should go down, the games are shorter!

Hey, don't knock it. My capture this week was only 3.8 GB instead of 4.5.