They seem confident his medicals won't be a long term issue from the reports I'm reading. Better be right.

Not a single ****ing brain cell in my body can support this pick right now. Not one. Absolutely ****ing mind boggling. I can't express how much I hate it.

I've seen a lot of shitty picks from this franchise in the past but this one has the potential to be among the top 5 absolute worst ever at an absolutely critical juncture.

They need to pray to baby Jesus that he defies all odds, and those odds are horrendous.

Just not a fan of taking someone in the first round who won't help us next year.

Picking up the fifth was phenomenal. Absolutely a homerun.

Andy seemed happy. Talent is there. Could be a major steal.

yep. traded down, got a free 5th, and picked up the best OT as far as the tape goes.

veach is a ****in baller.

If nothing else, it would be cool if Simmons is healthy enough to be a solid Right Tackle when Taylor leaves next year. Even if he's damaged goods as a LT, maybe he can still be pretty helpful at the RT spot.

Where’d you get your medical degree sir?

I’m sure they did their homework- they know a lot more than any of us

Yeah, but any player can sustain a serious injury. I wish they picked Conerly but Washington had to snag him away.

Doesn’t matter. Jaylon Moore and jawaan are here. And they’re exactly the type of guys you play right away but don’t feel too sorry if someone outplays them. Take your time with Simmons.

LIES….Stop the hate!

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Like we did with Skyy Moore?

You'd have backed any swinging dick they took.

No, I absolutely will not ignore literally every single data point that has EVER existed.

This is ****ing dumb.

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.