It probably happens more often then we get to see... they just don't show those interactions.

They still talk to clearance, ground, tower, and departure. ESPECIALLY around DC.


DC is the most controlled airspace in the world.

The Swiss cheese holes lined up.

Military aircraft avionics are complete shit compared to most civilian aircraft.

I was hanging out in the Amarillo FBO some F-16s pulled up and parked.

I don't ever pass up the chance to talk to the baddest ass mother ****ers on the planet so we chatted about stuff. I was flying a low tail Piper Lance (a very nice one) and they asked me about it. Had dual Garmin 430's in it which was sensational back in 2002. I took them out to show them and they were blown away at how nice the dash was. One guy said he would kill to have one moving map GPS in his plane. They had a light indicator that verified via GPS receiver that LORAN was accurate.

That blew me away. 25 million dollar airplane. I hope things have changed.

Looks like the ATC was working two different areas, simultaneously ... Yikes.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/staffing-...ion-faa-report

This is a nothing nonsense inflammatory story. This happens all the time, everywhere.


That would actually HELP the situation, not hinder it.

Good to know. Not passing judgement, just going to follow what the NTSB investigation uncovers

Just pointing it out mostly because the article makes it sound like one person running both is overloading the ATC guy but actually coordinating everything with one person has less room for error than two. Communication is essential when there are two.

Sounds like the onus is completely on the Blackhawk to maintain "visual separation".

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If the Blackhawk had ADS-B out the plane would have known exactly where he was and probably would have been all over it.

The situational awareness that system provides is amazing.

Rerunkc should give us the skinny

Edited to put the video in spoiler tags. There is something about seeing in detail the moment that 60+ people lose their lives that I feel needs a warning. Watch at your own risk. -Dartgod

Jesus.

Damn talk about a head on

After watching that video I don't want to here shit about understaffed air traffic controller's...That was one of the worst ****ing video's I've ever seen in my life. How do you not see a commercial jet, lit up like a football stadium, barreling down at your position?