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PHOG 05-02-2022 09:16 AM

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BossChief 05-02-2022 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16278165)
JFC guys, do you not understand that the Chiefs simply didn't want him? They knew they were done with him before last season even started.

This has nothing to do with what Tyran wanted or "business decisions".

The Chiefs made the proper evaluation to move on.

Veach only wants to buy prime years if he’s spending prime money. He’s purely making these moves to objectively and removing subjective data. Which shows growth and why Veach chose to fire Dorsey to promote Veach.

The one he signed without being objective was Sammy Watkins and he sees that as a mistake he doesn’t want to repeat.

kcgreene 05-02-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16278177)
If this was Veach waiting until signing a guy until after 4 PM.....you'd be calling this a good move. Just because we're ****ed out of a comp pick...it's not.

I honestly don't post much, so you don't know a single damn thing that I think, and don't act like such, especially when you're arguing against something I never said. Don't try to pick a fight because you decide that somebody who brings a thought o the table is problematic to you. I never complained about the signing, I'm just saying that you would think it would be in the best interest of the league.

I find arbitrary deadlines that people actively attempt to skirt around to be BS. It's one of those "letter of the law" versus "spirit of the law" things.I just think that if the spirit of the comp pick rule is to help teams regain assets from highly paid losses in free agency, then negotiatied deals before a deadline should be punishable. It's punishable before the tampering window deadline, so it should be punishable here too. It's a "letter of the law" attempt to skirt around such.

I'm just saying I thought it would be in the leagues best interest, discourages these players waiting around until after some arbitrary deadline, it would encourage players into OTAs and minicamps sooner, potentially creating a better product on Sundays, which potentially means more revenues.

Personally though, I really don't care. Doesn't affect my day to day, and this is way down on the list of priorities. I'm just saying it's curious that the league does this when going about it the other way would arguably create a superior product.

arrwheader 05-02-2022 09:28 AM

100% count on him taking shots at the Chiefs once he signs there.

BryanBusby 05-02-2022 09:30 AM

Good for him. Moving on.

scho63 05-02-2022 09:31 AM

He's dead to me......

louie aguiar 05-02-2022 09:34 AM

And we don’t even get a comp pick for him. Disappointing.

R Clark 05-02-2022 09:37 AM

Good riddance

kcgreene 05-02-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 16278249)
100% count on him taking shots at the Chiefs once he signs there.

Unfortunately, your probably right. It's a shame. I like the guy, but I have a feeling that is going to go sour really fast. I hope I'm wrong though.

ThaVirus 05-02-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16278150)
Eh..."much" better? We lost Ward and Matthieu. Have brought in some good replacements but not sure it's even better at all. Kind of just hoping we maintain status quo. Probably the best thing to happen to this secondary was losing Sorenson.

We lost, probably, a top 15 CB and top 15 safety.

We added a young dude and several rookies.

Only a Chiefs homer would claim we got better in the secondary. On paper, we got worse. In practice, we have no ****ing clue how these new guys will play together.

ToxSocks 05-02-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16278290)
We lost, probably, a top 15 CB and top 15 safety.

We added a young dude and several rookies.

Only a Chiefs homer would claim we got better in the secondary. On paper, we got worse. In practice, we have no ****ing clue how these new guys will play together.

The Chiefs got younger and more athletic in the secondary.

On paper, they're younger, faster and more athletic.

It was clear as day that Mathieu lost a step last season. Reid is going to be more than an adequate replacement for Mathieu.

The Franchise 05-02-2022 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16278290)
We lost, probably, a top 15 CB and top 15 safety.

We added a young dude and several rookies.

Only a Chiefs homer would claim we got better in the secondary. On paper, we got worse. In practice, we have no ****ing clue how these new guys will play together.

Ward was the biggest loss.

Reid and Mathieu are basically a wash....except at least Reid is younger, more athletic and willing to actually tackle people.

TwistedChief 05-02-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 16278245)
I honestly don't post much, so you don't know a single damn thing that I think, and don't act like such, especially when you're arguing against something I never said. Don't try to pick a fight because you decide that somebody who brings a thought o the table is problematic to you. I never complained about the signing, I'm just saying that you would think it would be in the best interest of the league.

I find arbitrary deadlines that people actively attempt to skirt around to be BS. It's one of those "letter of the law" versus "spirit of the law" things.I just think that if the spirit of the comp pick rule is to help teams regain assets from highly paid losses in free agency, then negotiatied deals before a deadline should be punishable. It's punishable before the tampering window deadline, so it should be punishable here too. It's a "letter of the law" attempt to skirt around such.

I'm just saying I thought it would be in the leagues best interest, discourages these players waiting around until after some arbitrary deadline, it would encourage players into OTAs and minicamps sooner, potentially creating a better product on Sundays, which potentially means more revenues.

Personally though, I really don't care. Doesn't affect my day to day, and this is way down on the list of priorities. I'm just saying it's curious that the league does this when going about it the other way would arguably create a superior product.

Blah blah. This does nothing to change anything for OTAs or minicamps. It does nothing to put an inferior product on the field. You type a lot about this for someone who claims to not care.

ThaVirus 05-02-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16278297)
The Chiefs got younger and more athletic in the secondary.



On paper, they're younger, faster and more athletic.



It was clear as day that Mathieu lost a step last season. Reid is going to be more than an adequate replacement for Mathieu.


On paper, they’re unproven.

I’m not so sure all this Mathieu talk isn’t overstated. He wasn’t as good in 2021 as he was in 2020 or our 2019 Super Bowl run, but he was still better than the average safety.

There’s a chance Reid gets here and busts.

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16278298)
Ward was the biggest loss.



Reid and Mathieu are basically a wash....except at least Reid is younger, more athletic and willing to actually tackle people.


This may be true in the long run but Reid is still an unknown on our squad.

Say what you want about Mathieu but even making some business decisions and being annoying af sometimes, we knew what we were getting with him.

Valiant 05-02-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 16278174)
We lost Ward, HB thought he was worth more money than he is. He was better when he first got here. I feel that we upgraded safety as we have added someone that is faster than HB and is a team player as well.

We won't know if we are better as a secondary until we see them play together. We added a lot of younger faster pieces to the secondary so there is hope.

We added depth at CB and even more depth at Safety. We now have 3 safeties that should be able to play Spags defense and not be a liability in pass coverage. Yet this is just speculation until we see them play.

Strangely we do. That is how bad the safeties we're last year. Never in on plays. Don't like to tackle, constantly beat deep. We basically played with 9 menm hopefully that was the players and not the scheme.


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