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suzzer99 11-04-2018 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13868886)
Clock was running......
The game clock was not running. The refs never windmilled their arms. The clock only started when Mahomes snapped it - as it should after a penalty with less than 2 minutes left in the first half - whether declined or not.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/p...clined-penalty

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The clock stopped following that play because the Cowboys had been called for an offsides penalty. And even though the Giants declined the penalty, the rules say the clock doesn't start until the snap after penalty enforcements in the final five minutes of the game -- even if the penalty is declined.
I believe it's last 5 minutes of the game and last 2 minutes of the first half - same as out of bounds.

DaFace 11-04-2018 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13868882)
Wrong.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

There MUST be pressure on the QB for an intentional grounding penalty to be called.

IT'S IN THE ****ING RULEBOOK

None of that shit in your post is.

THEY MADE THAT SHIT UP

*autistic screeching*
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mpression=true

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13868889)
Ok let's break this down. The only thing we're disputing here is #3 right?
No.

Read the rule.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...nal-grounding/

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It is a foul for intentional grounding if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
That is the FIRST SENTENCE in the rulebook for intentional grounding.

Mahomes was not facing an imminent loss of yardage because of defensive pressure.

Ergo, not intentional grounding.

And then there's this:

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Item 3. Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.
NOWHERE in item 3 does it mention any nuance in regards to the clock spike.

THEY MADE SHIT UP ON THE SPOT TO COVER THEIR OWN DUMB FAT ASSES

suzzer99 11-04-2018 05:14 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ZagtXl5.png

Sounds like two competing confusingly worded rules.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13868901)
Wrong.

That article is just citing what was said on the broadcast. WHICH IS WRONG.

IT'S NOT IN THE RULEBOOK

IT'S WRONG.

suzzer99 11-04-2018 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13868904)
NOWHERE in item 3 does it mention any nuance in regards to the clock spike.

THEY MADE SHIT UP ON THE SPOT TO COVER THEIR OWN DUMB FAT ASSES
"is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time" - I guess in their minds that implies it is not legal if the game clock is not running and a spike would not save time.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 05:17 PM
There is exactly ONE mention of the term "spike" in the 2018 NFL rulebook.

It says NOTHING about "impermissible spikes" or "clock stopped"

THEY LIED

Kyle DeLexus 11-04-2018 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13868908)
https://i.imgur.com/ZagtXl5.png

Sounds like two competing confusingly worded rules.
Technically after the ball was snapped the game clock was running.

notorious 11-04-2018 05:20 PM
We’ve all watched a million games. It’s ****ed. The official is supposed to spot the ball and wind it. What took him so long? Why do we have to get highly technical with the specifics and even the rules contradicts each other.

Let it go, because it’s been done hundreds of times in the past with no calls.

suzzer99 11-04-2018 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 13868924)
Technically after the ball was snapped the game clock was running.
True.

suzzer99 11-04-2018 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13868919)
There is exactly ONE mention of the term "spike" in the 2018 NFL rulebook.

It says NOTHING about "impermissible spikes" or "clock stopped"

THEY LIED
Yeah if that's really the only line of the rule - that's pretty damn ambiguous and it sounds like the refs overreached. Will be interesting to see if the league clarifies.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 05:25 PM
you'd overreach too if you were trying to cover your dumb ass in front of 80,000 people

SupDock 11-04-2018 05:26 PM
That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball

rabblerouser 11-04-2018 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13868963)
you'd overreach too if you were trying to cover your dumb ass in front of 80,000 people
There were not 80,000 people in that stadium today.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2018 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SupDock (Post 13868970)
That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball
I don't know why any of this is confusing.

Mahomes met all the printed stipulations for a legal spike.

He avoided all of the printed stipulations for intentional grounding.


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