Well, first off, do the takeaways and defensive touchdowns count? Seems in this thread, for the Chiefs they don't and are just luck :D

But they were def a good defense. Lets look at the Chiefs in 14,15, 16 to compare though. This may take me some time.

You asked top 5 by what metric and he showed you. No need to start trying to move the goalposts around. The fact is, the Rams D was top 5, the Chiefs D was nothing close.

2014
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/2014/opp.htm

2015
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/2015/opp.htm

2016
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/2016/opp.htm

Great teams don't cough the ball up all the time. Great teams are going to be able to stop your pass rush. You need a defense that is fundamentally good, i.e. not near the bottom of the league in every yardage stat, if you are going to beat great teams that don't turn the ball over.

I'm not moving any goalposts.

The Chiefs D in 2015 were a top 5 defense in points allowed per game. Top 7 in 16.

I wouldn't be. They've already alluded to that they think it's the players fault from last year and not Suttons. Which is why they completely overhauled the defense.

If the Chiefs finish at or near the bottom of the league again like last year, I'll bet money on it that Sutton is sent packing, as there will be no more excuses for him . . . .

Great defenses force turnovers though.

We're going to see.....

Yeah, I definitely agree it's a make or break year for him.

And stop the run and stop the pass......and don't blow huge leads in 1 half of football....

If this offense performs on the Vermeil level and we have even a halfway competent defense, we will destroy people.

I think our defense is MUCH improved this year. I'm expecting we are in the beginning of a dynasty.

I like Veach,Reid,Bienemy and when Sutton has healthy players he'll get her done.Last year Ford was hurt, Houston was 70% and covering , Hali was old , DJ was old and Peters was a non tackling cancer. Thats ALL GONE!

Yes, for sure.

The years that the Chiefs have had good defenses under Sutton, they've done the first and not the second though.

I agree we were gimped from a roster perspective last year. I am looking back over the course of Sutton's reign here and I see a lot of the same shit every year. Playing soft on the WR's. Huge gaps over the middle. Not blitzing in 3rd & long and unfortunately, not making enough key stops when you need them.

I will go back to the first game against Denver at KC. We are up by 7 against Manning. Denver has 0 TO's and 1:47 to go with the ball on their 20. First play he hits a guy wide open over the middle for 20+ yards.

We all know how it ended. And he had a compliment of good and healthy players that game. It was Monday night, at home and you're ahead by 7. You get 1 stop. 1 stop and you win. We lost.

Was that the Charles fumble game?