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Eleazar 05-02-2016 09:27 AM

He's continually improved and was dominant at times last year, and CP hated the pick like no pick ever, so I'd say his future is probably... top 10 LT, maybe pro bowl.

DJ's left nut 05-02-2016 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12211781)
The downside of giving Fisher the 5th year option is trying to negotiate him down from that $12M option number. That's top 5 tackle money and I don't think Fisher is worth that.

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Again - not a fully guaranteed option.

He can't anchor at $12 million when he could still get cut in the offseason and not get a dime of it.

RunKC 05-02-2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12211794)
He's absolutely not worth $12 million. He was respectable this year.

Not great, not top 10. Respectable.

And in some games played like $3it. Not to mention the whole ankle situation where Stephenson (sucked so bad he's gone Stephenson) played great while Fish nursed a sprained ankle of questionable magnitude.

It's one thing to say he went from clear bust in year one to respectable/solid starter in year 4. I think that's fair.

To say he's worth $12 million is insane. Hell, Smith and co. managed to make the playoffs when he played like ass his rookie year.

I'd overpay Poe and Berry with that money before I gave Fisher a dime over $6 mil....

Even average LT's are extremely difficult to find nowadays. He's got a lot of value here and he looked like a top 10 caliber LT at the end of the season.

I think $10 million is the right area for him, but I was just talking about $12 million or losing him.

He struggled early, but he's clearly an above average as of the end of last year and he's played 32 of his last 34 games so he's been very reliable the last couple of years.

BossChief 05-02-2016 09:35 AM

If they can ink Fisher for 11m per, it would be a solid deal.

Fisher plays a position of huge importance and has improved every year and was pretty good down the stretch and in the postseason.

If he has a solid offseason on strength and technique work, he will continue to ascend at a position we need to be very good at to win this division.

Von Miller, Demarcus Ware, Shaq Barrett, Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Khalil Mack, Calhoun, etc...lots of good pass rushers.

We need Eric Fisher to be here long term and to keep improving.

DaneMcCloud 05-02-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12211828)
If they can ink Fisher for 11m per, it would be a solid deal.

Fisher plays a position of huge importance and has improved every year and was pretty good down the stretch and in the postseason.

If he has a solid offseason on strength and technique work, he will continue to ascend at a position we need to be very good at to win this division.

Von Miller, Demarcus Ware, Shaq Barrett, Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Khalil Mack, Calhoun, etc...lots of good pass rushers.

We need Eric Fisher to be here long term and to keep improving.

Not to mention, starting over at square one if they allow him to leave.

It's more likely than not that the Chiefs will be drafting at the bottom of the first round for the foreseeable future and as we all know, top tier tackles go in the Top Ten (unless you smoke pot with a gas mask on, make a video and post it to Instagram).

The idea of giving up picks in order to move up from #28 to #10 to draft probably the second best left tackle in the draft is completely unappealing. Any trades into the top ten should involve a QB, not a lineman.

DJ's left nut 05-02-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12211851)
Not to mention, starting over at square one if they allow him to leave.

It's more likely than not that the Chiefs will be drafting at the bottom of the first round for the foreseeable future and as we all know, top tier tackles go in the Top Ten (unless you smoke pot with a gas mask on, make a video and post it to Instagram).

The idea of giving up picks in order to move up from #28 to #10 to draft probably the second best left tackle in the draft is completely unappealing. Any trades into the top ten should involve a QB, not a lineman.

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You said trade up in the first! Holy shit that's rich. Top form, Dane. Top form man.

Here's a thought - we could let Fisher walk, trade BACK in the first and draft 3 tackles in the 5th round while praying that at least one of them doesn't suck dicks and that 29 other teams were just flat out wrong about him 4 separate times.

Could totally happen.

O.city 05-02-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12211870)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA............

......{INHALE}...........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You said trade up in the first! Holy shit that's rich. Top form, Dane. Top form man.

Here's a thought - we could let Fisher walk, trade BACK in the first and draft 3 tackles in the 5th round while praying that at least one of them doesn't suck dicks and that 29 other teams were just flat out wrong about him 4 separate times.

Could totally happen.

Who did you have an eye on trading up for this year? I know you were vocal about doing it, don't remember if you ever put a name out who you wanted to go up for.

BossChief 05-02-2016 10:10 AM

The good news is that Dorsey has been talking to Fisher, Berry AND Poe about extensions for at minimum a few months.

Hopefully, Dorsey get something done with all 3 sooner or later.

I mean, he needs to get something done with Berry JUST TO HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO SIGN THE ROOKIE CLASS.

BossChief 05-02-2016 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12211870)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA............

......{INHALE}...........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You said trade up in the first! Holy shit that's rich. Top form, Dane. Top form man.

Here's a thought - we could let Fisher walk, trade BACK in the first and draft 3 tackles in the 5th round while praying that at least one of them doesn't suck dicks and that 29 other teams were just flat out wrong about him 4 separate times.

Could totally happen.

You saw Steinburgs tweet that KC tried to move up for Lynch, right?

O.city 05-02-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12211877)
The good news is that Dorsey has been talking to Fisher, Berry AND Poe about extensions for at minimum a few months.

Hopefully, Dorsey get something done with all 3 sooner or later.

I mean, he needs to get something done with Berry JUST TO HAVE THE CAP SPACE TO SIGN THE ROOKIE CLASS.


Iirc, the rookie money is already slotted into the cap. You can't spend it

DJ's left nut 05-02-2016 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12211882)
You saw Steinburgs tweet that KC tried to move up for Lynch, right?

Is ineffective better than complacent?

BossChief 05-02-2016 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12211883)
Iirc, the rookie money is already slotted into the cap. You can't spend it

Well, I wonder if that's right.

I just checked overthecap and we used to have under 2m in cap space and now we have 5.7m.

Maybe that's because the difference is what the NFL holds back to make sure the rookies are paid and everybody gets to camp on time.

Viper400 05-02-2016 10:52 AM

Has Fish reached his ceiling? He has seemed to show improvement, although that doesn't mean that he is any more than average.

An extension has to be in the works. He is not worth 11.9 mil.

BossChief 05-02-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12211897)
Is ineffective better than complacent?

What we know...

KC didn't have a third rounder
Denver traded up using their 3rd rounder to move up.
This was a very deep draft with 1st/2nd round talents falling into the deep third and early fourth round.

Barring injury, Lynch wouldn't play in KC for at least 2 years.

So...

We would have Lynch (who wouldn't play for 2 years) and then picks starting in late round 4 to help fill holes on the roster to outbid Denver to move up.

Instead, Dorsey turned that into Chris Jones, KeiVarae Russel, Parker Ehinger, Eric Murray and DJ White.

I wanted Lynch, too...but passing (due to not having a third) and adding all that talent to the existing roster that will contribute the next 2 years (where Lynch would have sat and learned) probably means the Chiefs in 2016 and 2017 are going to be a much better team that if we had moved up for Lynch.

Alex Smith is under contract the next 3 years and there are going to be more QBs in the draft that Dorsey will scout and hopefully draft.

O.city 05-02-2016 11:09 AM

If they wanted lynch, they could have gotten him. I don't think they did, especially seeing the report that they had a deal in place with Dallas to go down if he were there round 1.

From where I'm sutting, looks like they'd honed in on Jones from the beginning, figured they could get him where they did and we're blowing alot of ass smoke


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