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beach tribe 03-06-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10470812)
That's simply not true. Some of the best pass rushers in the league are lining up all over the front, including wide against the right tackle.

Von Miller goes against the right tackle often enough that the idea of the right side being somehow less in the spotlight is just silly.

As if, having a lock-down left tackle, but giving up double digit sacks on the other side if just fine.

I was going to make this point, but not everyone is ready to accept RT being even close to as important, even though Pass rushing from all angles is the only way to win a championship in this day and age without an elite QB.

People view pass rushers as the 2nd most valuable position in the league, but don't seem to value the guys who can negate them in the same light.

htismaqe 03-06-2014 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10470812)
That's simply not true. Some of the best pass rushers in the league are lining up all over the front, including wide against the right tackle.

Von Miller goes against the right tackle often enough that the idea of the right side being somehow less in the spotlight is just silly.

As if, having a lock-down left tackle, but giving up double digit sacks on the other side if just fine.

You can get right tackles ANYWHERE. Literally, you can pick them up as undrafted free agents and not give up "double digit sacks".

Spending the first overall pick on a right tackle isn't even poor value. It's throwing value down the toilet.

htismaqe 03-06-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470822)
People view pass rushers as the 2nd most valuable position in the league, but don't seem to value the guys who can negate them in the same light.

The best right tackles in the league weren't, by and large, 1st round picks, let alone the first pick overall...

beach tribe 03-06-2014 05:07 PM

RTs block the Von Millers and Justin Houstons of the league but still get treated like second class citizens.
Reid, and Dorsey have made it clear that they do not think that way. They might want to keep Fisher at RT for that reason, being that he has more experience there now, and even if Fisher becomes an all-pro there, and stone walls Von Miller twice a year, some will still see it as a wasted pick.

beach tribe 03-06-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10470829)
The best right tackles in the league weren't, by and large, 1st round picks, let alone the first pick overall...

But 3 went in the top 4 picks in that draft.(if they don't convert)

So in 3 years, some of the top RTs in the league, may be top 5 picks.

htismaqe 03-06-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470832)
RTs block the Von Millers and Justin Houstons of the league but still get treated like second class citizens.
Reid, and Dorsey have made it clear that they do not think that way. They might want to keep Fisher at RT for that reason, being that he has more experience there now, and even if Fisher becomes an all-pro there, and stone walls Von Miller twice a year, some will still see it as a wasted pick.

You're looking at this completely backwards.

It's not about the value of right tackles. It's about the value of the 1st overall pick.

You can get right tackles, competent right tackles - hell, ALL PRO right tackles - anywhere.

htismaqe 03-06-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470839)
But 3 went in the top 4 picks in that draft.(if they don't convert)

So in 3 years, some of the top RTs in the league, may be top 5 picks.

Those other teams are as bad as the Chiefs then...

Rausch 03-06-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470818)
Kelce, and Cummings have a real shot at making a huge difference on this team, but that cannot be counted on one iota.

This.

Dorsey invested huge in the future.

I'm not against that. I think it's the way to go, to be honest.

I really like the play of guys like Abdullah and Cooper. But his draft picks went down last year before round 1 and they damned well better show up this time around...

htismaqe 03-06-2014 05:15 PM

They're building this team around a QB that I like but he's a QB that requires playmakers around him. They better start drafting some.

Deberg_1990 03-06-2014 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10470848)
They're building this team around a QB that I like but he's a QB that requires playmakers around him. They better start drafting some.

And yet he played one of the best games of his life while missing some playmakers in the playoffs.
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Dante84 04-19-2015 09:47 AM

Bump for interesting read.

Red Dawg 04-19-2015 10:06 AM

BPA is a bullshit myth. If you have a stud at a certain position a team will not draft that same position in the first round even the best player in the entire draft was available.

chiefzilla1501 04-19-2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11444847)
BPA is a bullshit myth. If you have a stud at a certain position a team will not draft that same position in the first round even the best player in the entire draft was available.

For every position except QB or K/P (who you're not taking in the first anyway). Justin Tuck and Kiwanuka were taken even when they had Strahan and Umanyiora. Will Smith was drafted when the Saints had 2 exceptional pass rushers. On OL, you can often let two guys compete for a job, and let the loser shift somewhere else on the OL.

I would rather have a playmaker at a position you don't need than a solid but unspectacular player at a position of need. Just my opinion.

Saccopoo 04-19-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11444847)
BPA is a bullshit myth. If you have a stud at a certain position a team will not draft that same position in the first round even the best player in the entire draft was available.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/files/2...80924_main.jpg

RealSNR 04-19-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11444847)
BPA is a bullshit myth. If you have a stud at a certain position a team will not draft that same position in the first round even the best player in the entire draft was available.

How do you explain the Dee Ford pick?

Or Phillip Gaines when there was still a ****ton of WR talent available, which was the Chiefs' most urgent position of need that entire offseason?

No team that claims to go with a BPA draft strategy will follow it verbatim, otherwise you'd see a draft one of these years where 4 or 5 players of the same position get drafted (even though last year came close with the Packers and Jaguars both picking 3 WRs each).

But there are quite a number of teams that definitely embrace the spirit of the BPA philosophy. If the 2014 (and 2013 draft to some extent) are any indications, then we can expect John Dorsey's Chiefs to fall in that category.

How far will that philosophy extend this year? Would the Chiefs pick Alvin Dupree if he fell to 18? My guess is they'd probably try to weasel a trade down, but we all know how much Dorsey sucks at negotiating those kinds of things. If nothing was available in the way of a trade down, and the options basically come down to Cam Erving or Alvin Dupree, I'm guessing that Dorsey would take Alvin Dupree.


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