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Donger 08-04-2012 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 8790934)
how come I was successfully able to handle a car at .10 then ?
Because you were lucky and/or no situations arose where your impairment (and reduction in reaction times) caused an accident. Also, you don't know that you were handling the car fine.

You ARE aware that alcohol impairs one's judgment and reaction times, yes?

BigMeatballDave 08-04-2012 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by barry_smilez20 (Post 8790917)
Might as well play devil's advocate.

Let's get off our high horse, morality police. Are we to say that drinking and driving is definitively more dangerous than sober driving at 75-80 mph on crowded highways? Driving drunk AND driving at high speeds? Yes, of course... but what about driving drunk on 35 mph roads? What then? Especially in regard to fatalities. Which is more dangerous? I know what we are wired to believe, but if we really are trying to protect our fellow American citizens, why not take away the convenience of high speed? Set the max limits at 35-40MPH. I guess it's because we can rationalize one convenience and not the other.
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OnTheWarpath15 08-04-2012 04:03 PM
Don't wanna get busted for circumventing the filter.

Donger 08-04-2012 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by barry_smilez20 (Post 8790917)
Are we to say that drinking and driving is definitively more dangerous than sober driving at 75-80 mph on crowded highways?
Yes.

BoneKrusher 08-04-2012 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 8790841)
Personally I think it should be, I drove home last night and blew a .10 and was perfectly fine driving ( my buddy owns a breathilizer)
i used to think i was driving fine while loaded until one of my buddies video taped me.
i wasn't, that straightened my ass out about drinking and driving.

Rain Man 08-04-2012 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8790964)
i used to think i was driving fine while loaded until one of my buddies video taped me.
i wasn't, that straightened my ass out about drinking and driving.
That's pretty cool. Was he in the car taping you, or did you do some sort of driving test in a parking lot? And what about that changed your attitude?

barry_smilez20 08-04-2012 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8790949)
So you're suggesting that we lower the speed limit universally so that drunk people can drive? Or am I missing your point?
No. It should still be illegal. But the people who get really passionate against it are misled. Speed kills. They should fight that battle, but they won't. Nobody wants to drive slow. It's ironic

barry_smilez20 08-04-2012 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8790959)
Yes.
I mean in terms of fatalities.

DaFace 08-04-2012 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by barry_smilez20 (Post 8790969)
No. It should still be illegal. But the people who get really passionate against it are misled. Speed kills. They should fight that battle, but they won't. Nobody wants to drive slow. It's ironic
Interesting factoid that I dug up out of curiosity: roughly one-fourth of traffic fatalities occur on roads with speed limits of 35mph or less. It's higher at high speeds, but not dramatically so; roughly one-third of traffic fatalities occur on roads with speed limits of 55mph or higher.

So basically, unless you've got some source you're using that says otherwise, speed is only slightly correlated with traffic fatalities.

Data source here if anyone cares:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...atalities.html

Donger 08-04-2012 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by barry_smilez20 (Post 8790969)
No. It should still be illegal. But the people who get really passionate against it are misled. Speed kills. They should fight that battle, but they won't. Nobody wants to drive slow. It's ironic
No. Acceleration kills and resulting damage kills. And, if two drunks hit each other head on at 35 mph, that is the equivalent acceleration of a single person hitting a bridge at 70 mph.

BoneKrusher 08-04-2012 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8790968)
That's pretty cool. Was he in the car taping you, or did you do some sort of driving test in a parking lot? And what about that changed your attitude?
he was the in a car behind me,
we left a club where he was taping a set of a band i was gigging with.
they tried to take my keys (i wouldn't have any of that) and i took off thinking i was fine.
the next day i saw the clip, i was all over the road. thankfully it was late at night and very little traffic on a two lane road.

Setsuna 08-04-2012 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8790964)
i used to think i was driving fine while loaded until one of my buddies video taped me.
i wasn't, that straightened my ass out about drinking and driving.
That should be a requirement for all people turning 21. That would definitely be a deterrent. I think you should really try to get that out there to people that can champion it.

barry_smilez20 08-04-2012 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 8790971)
Interesting factoid that I dug up out of curiosity: roughly one-fourth of traffic fatalities occur on roads with speed limits of 35mph or less. It's higher at high speeds, but not dramatically so; roughly one-third of traffic fatalities occur on roads with speed limits of 55mph or higher.
That is interesting. Good stat. I might be inclined to believe that many of those are one car accidents (Darwin if driving drunk) or that they were driving 50+. Theoretically, the 35 MPH roads would be <20 MPH roads. That whole revoke the license for twice the limit might change some minds. Maybe.

FTR, Im not proposing anything.

mr. tegu 08-04-2012 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8790984)
That should be a requirement for all people turning 21. That would definitely be a deterrent. I think you should really try to get that out there to people that can champion it.
You want more people out driving drunk? How about this, if you are drunk, don't drive. It isn't hard.

Cephalic Trauma 08-04-2012 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8790858)
No, not really.

The science behind it is fairly well established to this point. For the average person, their reactions begin to suffer recognizable impairment at .08.

I'm not going to get into a debate as to the "I was fine" element because it's irrelevant what an individual claims. There are 12 yr olds that are better drivers than people in their 30s - that doesn't mean I'm lowering the driving age to 12 any time soon.

Laws have to be written with the average impact in mind. After a fair amount of scientific study it was shown that a BAC of .08 is sufficient to impair reaction times. That's good enough for me.
QFT

OP, n=1 in this instance. Research says you're wrong


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