Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6761043)

They're not just numbers. He's been pegged as a guy who knows how to win games. And yet he was horrendous at third down efficiency and atrocious in 4th quarters. And looking beyond the numbers, rarely was he ever asked to be anything special in the 4th quarter. It's a lot easier to win games when you have the best defense in the league that holds your lead for an entire 4th quarter. He was a game manager. I thought he played fine for a rookie, but when people elevate him to a clear future franchise QB based on 2009, that's just ridiculous. As I said before, if we're so tough on our own being franchise QBs, why are we so loose about calling other QBs franchise QBs?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6761105)

They are just numbers.

Sanchez made a couple of big plays in the playoffs, plays that the Jets needed him to make.

Numbers don't tell us that.

Does any of it mean that he's going to be a great QB?

No.

But don't throw numbers out there and try to tell me it proves anything, because numbers mean jack.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6761167)

But they weren't just numbers. When it comes to the playoffs, it proved that he wasn't asked to do very much in the 4th quarter--how many playoff QBs have that luxury? And it showed that a lot of his scores required him to do virtually nothing. If you look beyond the numbers at the regular season, you'll see that in most games, the Jets won because the defense held the lead for an entire quarter or held a small deficit to exactly the same margin--how many defenses are that good that they can do that?

He was a game manager who made about 3 or 4 big plays of 40-50 yards. That's the best way to describe his playoff performance. That's not a bad thing. But a few months ago, everyone acted like being a game manager was such a terrible thing.

Like I said, not saying he was good or bad. Just saying that right now, he's a game manager. And people are trying so hard to pretend he wasn't Trent Dilfer. But that's basically what he was all season long. A game manager who wasn't asked to do much but delivered on the rare occasion that he was.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6761179)

I'm not even going to waste the ****ing time it takes to read you stupid ****ing post.

I stopped at "But they weren't just numbers".

Pay the **** attention dumbass.

I have consistently said for as long as I've been a member of this forum, and the Star forum before this.

I don't give a rat's ass about numbers, so stop wasting my ****ing time with your useless ****ing posts to support your useless ****ing opinions with useless ****ing numbers.

I watch the ****ing games you useless piece of shit.

I base my opiniions on what I see, and you can take your useless ****ing numbers and shove them up your useless ****ing ass.

Do I now make myself clear, dumbass,

Don't ****ing waste my time with ****ing numbers.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6761185)

Then read before you rant. Both times.

There weren't just numbers. There was play by play analysis. Which you ignored. Twice.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6761190)

I read the first post you stupid ****.

I said that Sanchez made a couple of big plays when the Jets needed them, and your numbers and play by play analysis ignore that.

I am also not arguing that he's any more than a game manager at this point, or that he will ever be any more than a game manager, even though I believe he will eventually prove out to be a franchise QB.

I am simply telling you I don't give a rat's ass about your useless ****ing numbers.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6761199)

I have said several times that he's come up when asked to. And I said he made several big plays in the playoffs.

But it doesn't change the fact that people talk about him as this Quarterback that knows how to win. I don't know how anyone can say that when he's never been asked to do ANYTHING in 4th quarters and when asked to, hasn't been impressive. Going into the 4th quarter, the Jets won games usually because their defense held a 7-10 point lead. When the Jets were behind by, say, 7, their defense usually gave Sanchez about 5 opportunities to even the score. It's not like Brady, where you're constantly asked to engineer game-winning 2-minute drills early in your career. Sanchez's only job in the 4th quarter was to not shit his pants. And he did a few times, but the defense usually covered his pants for him.

In the late part of the season, he become a good game manager who made a few occasional huge yardage plays who wasn't asked to do anything when it mattered most. Or when he was asked, was very inconsistently admirable.

This isn't pointed at you as much as it is pointed at people who want to make Sanchez to be more than he is. He performed well for a rookie but has a really long way to go before proving he's a franchise QB. But he's going to continue to win games because his supporting cast is so damn good, he'll be asked to be a game manager. There are a lot of QBs who failed in the NFL that I can bet you would do just fine in the same role Sanchez plays. JMO.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6761179)

I'm not even going to waste the ****ing time it takes to read you stupid ****ing post.

I stopped at "But they weren't just numbers".

Pay the **** attention dumbass.

I have consistently said for as long as I've been a member of this forum, and the Star forum before this.

I don't give a rat's ass about numbers, so stop wasting my ****ing time with your useless ****ing posts to support your useless ****ing opinions with useless ****ing numbers.

I watch the ****ing games you useless piece of shit.

I base my opiniions on what I see, and you can take your useless ****ing numbers and shove them up your useless ****ing ass.

Do I now make myself clear, dumbass,

Don't ****ing waste my time with ****ing numbers.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6760962)

You mean like the OJ Simpson Bills, or the 90s Chiefs?

Teams with top defense and top flight QBs win championships.

The '99 Ravens, who used your formula to win a championship, are the exception.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6761214)

Then, when talking to me, say that.

I can get behind that line of thought.

Throwing numbers at me and then trying to justify throwing those numebrs at me after I've said numbers mean hjack to me simply pisses me off.

I agree that Sanchez did nothing to prove he's going to be a franchise QB, so don't waste my time with numbers.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6761746)

So...you don't like numbers?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6734356)

Are you ****ing kidding me?

The kid took his team on the road twice in the playoffs and won.

His team was leading 17-6, on the road, in Indy before Brian Schottenheimer went into a shell.

:facepalm:

Sanchez could someday be the Super Bowl MVP and people on Chiefsplanet will STILL say he sucks.

Originally Posted by Hockey_Mecca (Post 6762141)

Hell people here still say Peyton Manning sucks. You'll never be able to please everyone.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6761179)

I'm not even going to waste the ****ing time it takes to read you stupid ****ing post.

I stopped at "But they weren't just numbers".

Pay the **** attention dumbass.

I have consistently said for as long as I've been a member of this forum, and the Star forum before this.

I don't give a rat's ass about numbers, so stop wasting my ****ing time with your useless ****ing posts to support your useless ****ing opinions with useless ****ing numbers.

I watch the ****ing games you useless piece of shit.

I base my opiniions on what I see, and you can take your useless ****ing numbers and shove them up your useless ****ing ass.

Do I now make myself clear, dumbass,

Don't ****ing waste my time with ****ing numbers.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 6766685)

Thing is, kids, Milkman Barney wasn't actually saying 'kissing.'