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Cassel > Cutler by Mel Kiper Jr. (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204008)

Jay Cutler

17-20 record as starter in NFL, 0 playoff wins
5-27 record as starter at Vanderbilt, 0 bowl appearances.

Yeah, Cutler is AWESOME!! But... but... he has a great arm!!!

****. This is Kiper. Meaning it's probably 180 degrees from reality.

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5573039)

But he's inviting the further conversation, and how well his forecasts panned out by bringing the topic up and beating his chest about how right he was, while at the same time ignoring his own errors.

I agree. He should stick to the draft evaluation only.

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 5573044)

Jay Cutler

17-20 record as starter in NFL, 0 playoff wins
5-27 record as starter at Vanderbilt, 0 bowl appearances.

Yeah, Cutler is AWESOME!! But... but... he has a great arm!!!

You are aware of Vandy's standing, athletically and academically, amongst the other SEC schools correct?

You are aware that a QB can't play defense correct?

Gonzalez played on the shittiest team in football last year; does that make him a bad TE?

You do know that Cutler is a Pro-Bowl QB correct?

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5572702)

Cassel > Cutler by McDaniels

This.

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5572992)

That's what I was trying to say but didn't state so clearly.

Just curious: Assuming you like all the changes (upgrades) that KC has made in HC/Front Office personnel: When was the last pre-season year you were as optimistic about the direction of your Chiefs as you are this year?

1998

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5572961)

I see what you mean. We're on opposite sides of the fence here so we see the same thing differently. I feel like you can coach poise in the pocket and progression reads but you can't coach a cross-body 45 yard laser.
We'll see what happens with him. If he stays, losing B-Marsh is not going to help.

So far I think the kid-coach McDaniels has had a great run in the FA market but has pissed me off.
Wanting Cassell is just plain stupid. He only wanted him because he was a Patsy. McKid also cut our long-snapper and locker room leader so he could sign NE long-snapper.
I hate that shit.

It's stupid? Why because he knows McDaniels' play book and Cutler wouldn't have to learn a new system?

A patsy? Is that what a QB who knows his OC's system is? I think that's just a strange statement.

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 5573092)

1998

1978

And personally I'll take mental makeup over a 100 yard laser arm any day. Joe Montana was anything but a strong armed guy. Its accuracy and mental makeup that is everything in a QB.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5572846)

Does he? He's got ALL of the physical tools. There's very little that he can develop on the physical side. And mentally, it's not something that even CAN be developed. He's either a winner, or he's not.

I think Cutler is, right now, what he's going to be. THIS is Jay Cutler.

Cutler has shown that he can win games. He is definitely a competitor. Vanderbilt won a lot games because of him. And the broncos have too. He does need to improve his attitude, but the guy does show up to work and trains hard and competes and wins games with his arm. how high was the broncos offense rated?

While last year was a good sign how can anyone realistically say they know what Cassel is going to become? The guy was less than a rookie last year because he hadn't played a game since HS. He may become the next Tom Brady or he may become the next Steve Bono. Who knows? :shrug:

One thing we do know is Cassel is not going to be a whinney bitch.

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 5573076)

I agree. Cutler has played well. Using those stats is like saying Dan Marino sucked because he never won the superbowl. Fans like that are annoying.

And here's the most important part:

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Kiper says Cassel would have been an "upgrade" over Cutler and that Cutler is, to put it mildly, overrated. "[Cutler] throws one pass, he's a Hall of Famer," Kiper says. "I've seen the media put him in the Hall of Fame. I had to run to the bathroom quick. It was making me ill. I've been hearing this overhype. "This guy was overhyped at the combine, he was overhyped at Senior Bowl week, he's been overhyped before he was drafted.

So some of my buds on here need to chill with that "I'd rather have Cutler" shit.
And if Cutler is upside comparable to Stafford, I don't want Stafford either.


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Kiper compares Cutler to Jeff George. "Jeff George had a great arm, and Jeff George had a lot of great games in this league, and people were putting Jeff George in the HOF early in his career," Kiper says. "So I'm just telling you, this is ridiculous." Also, Cutler once said he had a better arm than John Elway. Not surprisingly, Kiper isn't a big fan of that comment, either. "So what? Who cares? Why would you make a comparison to John Elway? That could be taken like you're in a position to critique the quarterback that is a legend."

Somewhere in KC, a large and lonely sports writer sits weeping quietly.LMAO

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5573155)

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs View Post
Jay Cutler

17-20 record as starter in NFL, 0 playoff wins
5-27 record as starter at Vanderbilt, 0 bowl appearances.

Yeah, Cutler is AWESOME!! But... but... he has a great arm!!!

I agree. Cutler has played well. Using those stats is like saying Dan Marino sucked because he never won the superbowl. Fans like that are annoying.

Well, you just got done saying Cutler won a lot of games for Vanderbilt. Guess who is the annoying fan?