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TRing 06-23-2005 08:53 AM

Good call radar chief

C-Mac 06-23-2005 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbykat
You had your chance, Greg.

grob

shaneo69 06-23-2005 08:55 AM

I'd probably try to get Hicks, Siavii, and Sims on the field together as starters, with Allen, Wilkerson, Browning, and Hall as backups.

At LB, I'd have DJ and Fox/Fujita on the outside, with Bell and Mitchell at ILB, and Boomer, Scanlon, Caver, and Fox/Fujita as backups.

htismaqe 06-23-2005 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief
I thought it was from the 3-4 and DT roamed the line and rushed the QB from whereever he could get the best rush from.

Mr. Kotter,
As a full time DE, with his hand on the ground, I’d think that’d get Bell hurt in the 3-4 formation.

I'm pretty sure we used 4 down linemen in addition to Derrick.

htismaqe 06-23-2005 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
I'd probably try to get Hicks, Siavii, and Sims on the field together as starters, with Allen, Wilkerson, Browning, and Hall as backups.

At LB, I'd have DJ and Fox/Fujita on the outside, with Bell and Mitchell at ILB, and Boomer, Scanlon, Caver, and Fox/Fujita as backups.

That would probably be best, but that line scares the shit out of me.

TRing 06-23-2005 09:00 AM

So we are definitely getting Fujita back before the season starts? If so that is crazy that our leading tackler from a year ago is going to be backing somebody up. If he is healthy why not start him where ya'll think Fox is going to start?

I know that everybody is high on Key Fox, but with most unproven 2nd year players, I'll believe it when i see it. (hopefully i'll see it)

keg in kc 06-23-2005 09:00 AM

Great. Gun watched a lot of tape from '01 - '03 and said to himself "jesus effin christ, that there spinner package looks grrrreat". Whee.

shaneo69 06-23-2005 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I'm pretty sure we used 4 down linemen in addition to Derrick.


They switched back and forth so often it's hard to keep track. From 89-91, they played a straight 3-4 and he was always an OLB. After that, they played a 4-3 each year except '97, and he was either a DE or OLB depending on where they needed him most.

In '97, Gunther went to a 3-4 and DT played OLB, unless you heard Carl Peterson arguing to the franchise player committee that Dan Williams was a DT instead of a DE (in order to get the lower franchise dollar amount). If Williams was a DT as Carl claimed, then Derrick played DE. If Williams was a DE as he claimed, then Derrick played OLB. Personally, I thought Derrick played OLB that year.

shaneo69 06-23-2005 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
That would probably be best, but that line scares the shit out of me.

Yeah, me too. But then again, those guys don't impress me as a 4-3 line either.

Mr. Laz 06-23-2005 09:34 AM

i like the idea but i see no "source" or no evidence of any kind that they have freakin' clue what they are talking about.

TRing 06-23-2005 09:39 AM

Ya I'm not real big on our line in either the 4-3 or the 3-4. But the thing is I could be. it seems as though the coaches trust these guys. If Allen doesn't get content with the season he had last year, Hicks and Sims step up to play to their ability, and Siavii plays good this year, then yes we are definitely alright, but i guess we will have to wait for the answers on these questions.

htismaqe 06-23-2005 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
i like the idea but i see no "source" or no evidence of any kind that they have freakin' clue what they are talking about.

Yeah, it was mentioned earlier in the thread that it looks like they just pulled this out of their ass...

jspchief 06-23-2005 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
i like the idea but i see no "source" or no evidence of any kind that they have freakin' clue what they are talking about.

I guess I consider USA Today legit enough to assume they have a source. It is odd that no one else has heard this though.

TRing 06-23-2005 10:10 AM

They just said what a lot of people were thinking. No but seriously you would think USA today would have somebody that they got this from. I dont think thats something that they would just throw in there.

RedThat 06-23-2005 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75
Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.


:clap: :clap: very well said Roy. Couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I don't think we have the DL to run a 3-4 defense. Our DE's are not good run stoppers. I'm high on Jared Allen, but, his run defense is pourous, and he is a bit small. Definately, not the DE we want in a 3-4. Eric hicks we all know, and don't care to elaborate on him. Our DT's are simply not big enough, nor strong enough to play in a 3-4. With the exception of Siavii, each and everyone of our DT's are slighy over 300lbs or a little under 300lbs. It is not only the size, but, the fact that most of our DT's are not 2 gap players, and only 1 gap players.
I wish we signed Keith Traylor. A DT like that, is well suited for a 3-4. I think we have the LB's to run a 3-4. Maybe we should try a 4-4?


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