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duncan_idaho 06-18-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9758891)
The Royals desperately need a 2B. Johnson suuuuuuucks. He is awesome against Tampa Bay and atrocious against everybody else. His OBP is only .286, and he has just 5 walks and 32 strikeouts in 107 AB. Those are Yuni Betancourt-type numbers, but with less power and more strikeouts.

Johnson is actually a pretty valuable 2B... on a team that can afford to carry a no-impact stick at 2B.

If Moustakas were hitting at his pre-All Star 2012 level and Escobar was hitting .270/.325/.400, you could live with Johnson's glove and limited offensive contributions.

They're glaring on a team with a lot of glaring weaknesses in the lineup.

Saul Good 06-18-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9758891)
The Royals desperately need a 2B. Johnson suuuuuuucks. He is awesome against Tampa Bay and atrocious against everybody else. His OBP is only .286, and he has just 5 walks and 32 strikeouts in 107 AB. Those are Yuni Betancourt-type numbers, but with less power and more strikeouts.

I know this to be true, but I still "feel" like Johnson provides more value than his numbers suggest. He's the gamer/winner/spark plug that managers love and sabermetricians hate. I love him as a utility guy.

duncan_idaho 06-18-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9758626)
We don't really have an excessive sample size but every time this team has appeared close in the last 10 years Glass spent more money and this team was more aggressive picking up guys. Even with Baird.

Valid point.

It's possible, if KC's bats wake up and the Royals are "in it" through July and August, that Glass authorizes going further next season. Would be pretty cool.

duncan_idaho 06-18-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9758921)
I know this to be true, but I still "feel" like Johnson provides more value than his numbers suggest. He's the gamer/winner/spark plug that managers love and sabermetricians hate. I love him as a utility guy.

His defense is quantifiable and excellent. Same with his baserunning/speed. He's a fast and efficient baserunner.

I think that's true of a lot of guys that aren't great with the bat but "Feel" more like a sparkplug than you'd expect.

ChiTown 06-18-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9758854)
Howie Kendrick

I dreamt we acquired him last night. Pls, God, can we make this happen?

Dear Baby Jesus, as a sacrifice for your giving us Howie Kendrick, we offer you Prison Bitch. He can be utilized or mutilated however you deem fit. TIA,

Everyone

Prison Bitch 06-18-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9758944)
Dear Baby Jesus, as a sacrifice for your giving us Howie Kendrick, we offer you Prison Bitch. He can be utilized or mutilated however you deem fit. TIA,

Everyone

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WhawhaWhat 06-18-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9758944)
Dear Baby Jesus, as a sacrifice for your giving us Howie Kendrick, we offer you Prison Bitch. He can be utilized or mutilated however you deem fit. TIA,

Everyone

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...lv5o1_1280.png

sedated 06-18-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9758919)
Johnson is actually a pretty valuable 2B... on a team that can afford to carry a no-impact stick at 2B.

If Moustakas were hitting at his pre-All Star 2012 level and Escobar was hitting .270/.325/.400, you could live with Johnson's glove and limited offensive contributions.

They're glaring on a team with a lot of glaring weaknesses in the lineup.

So…Ross Gload syndrome?

ChiefsCountry 06-18-2013 10:43 AM

I still say go after Andre Ethier and see how much salary the Dodgers are willing to pay of it.

Chiefspants 06-18-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9758854)
Howie Kendrick

I dreamt we acquired him last night. Pls, God, can we make this happen?

We discussed Kendrick a few pages back in this thread, and here are the things to consider.

Kendrick is hot now, but when he evens out, is typically a .285/.330/.430 hitter with around 10 HR's a year. Another thing to consider is that these numbers could possibly experience a notable decline when he arrives at Kauffman Stadium.

Kendrick's contract (4/35) is another point of concern for a team like the Royals. If we do trade for Kendrick, we are bound to that deal until 2015-2016, and this will likely prevent us from being able to pursue a power bat for the lineup. If he continues his current hot streak (.335/.375/.485) this contract could prove to be more than worth it and he will provide a much needed boost to the lineup. On the flip side, if he regresses to his output from last year (.287/.325/.400) this contract could be absolutely binding for a team like the Royals. Also, with Kauffman's effect on hitters, it's not out of the question to believe we would see this type of regression.

Finally, and perhaps most concerning, is Kendrick's price tag. With his current hot streak, contract, and his team's slump, the Angels are definitely going to want to sell high on their second baseman. This likely means no deal is made without (arguably) our top prospect in the minors, Yordano Ventura. Ventura, now in AAA, has been absolutely dominating at every level of the minors and is drawing absolutely glowing scouting reports (with the last one of ranking his stuff over Greinkes).

I know, a prospect is a prospect, but trading Ventura gives us no breathing room in the rotation for 2014 (We're already losing Santana, but will be in dire straits if Guthrie regresses or if we experience an injury). Also, it's also worth noting that we have very little long term solutions at SP extending past 2014, and if we want any hope of competing past that picture, Ventura may be worth holding onto.

The best case scenario is that we can trade a package of our prospects not named Ventura and Kendrick is able to perform around .285/.340/.460 with around 10-15 HR's until 2015. This would give us a much needed power boost in the immediate future, and keep our options open for the rotation even when Santana departs next year.

The worst case scenario is that we have to deal Ventura, and Kendrick regresses to his normal output, (.285/.330/.430 with around than 10 HRs a year). Not only would this provide a ho-hum boost to our line-up, but it would also give us zero options when it came to our 2014 rotation. If anyone regressed or was injured, our prospects for 2014 and beyond begin to look rather grim.

Because a trade for Kendrick will likely have to include Ventura, I feel that our best option is to attempt to trade for another 2B at the deadline (Utley comes to mind), and pour our energy into signing a power-bat in the offseason. Without Kendrick's contract obligations, we would also have the capability to sign another starter in the 2014 season (if we need to) or we could make an offer to extend Shields as. This flexibility could be absolutely pivotal for a small market team like the Royals.


TL;DR- Kendrick has a hefty price tag and what we would have to give up for his career output could potentially be jeopardizing to our rotation/lineup in 2014 and beyond. High Risk, Mid-High Reward.

ChiTown 06-18-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9758953)

LMAO

ChiTown 06-18-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9759165)
We discussed Kendrick a few pages back in this thread, and here are the things to consider.

Kendrick is hot now, but when he evens out, is typically a .285/.330/.430 hitter with around 10 HR's a year. Another thing to consider is that these numbers could possibly experience a notable decline when he arrives at Kauffman Stadium.

Kendrick's contract (4/35) is another point of concern for a team like the Royals. If we do trade for Kendrick, we are bound to that deal until 2015-2016, and this will likely prevent us from being able to pursue a power bat for the lineup. If he continues his current hot streak (.335/.375/.485) this contract could prove to be more than worth it and he will provide a much needed boost to the lineup. On the flip side, if he regresses to his output from last year (.287/.325/.400) this contract could be absolutely binding for a team like the Royals. Also, with Kauffman's effect on hitters, it's not out of the question to believe we would see this type of regression.

Finally, and perhaps most concerning, is Kendrick's price tag. With his current hot streak, contract, and his team's slump, the Angels are definitely going to want to sell high on their second baseman. This likely means no deal is made without (arguably) our top prospect in the minors, Yordano Ventura. Ventura, now in AAA, has been absolutely dominating at every level of the minors and is drawing absolutely glowing scouting reports (with the last one of ranking his stuff over Greinkes).

I know, a prospect is a prospect, but trading Ventura gives us no breathing room in the rotation for 2014 (We're already losing Santana, but will be in dire straits if Guthrie regresses or if we experience an injury). Also, it's also worth noting that we have very little long term solutions at SP extending past 2014, and if we want any hope of competing past that picture, Ventura may be worth holding onto.

The best case scenario is that we can trade a package of our prospects not named Ventura and Kendrick is able to perform around .285/.340/.460 with around 10-15 HR's until 2015. This would give us a much needed power boost in the immediate future, and keep our options open for the rotation even when Santana departs next year.

The worst case scenario is that we have to deal Ventura, and Kendrick regresses to his normal output, (.285/.330/.430 with around than 10 HRs a year). Not only would this provide a ho-hum boost to our line-up, but it would also give us zero options when it came to our 2014 rotation. If anyone regressed or was injured, our prospects for 2014 and beyond begin to look rather grim.

Because a trade for Kendrick will likely have to include Ventura, I feel that our best option is to attempt to trade for another 2B at the deadline (Utley comes to mind), and pour our energy into signing a power-bat in the offseason. Without Kendrick's contract obligations, we would also have the capability to sign another starter in the 2014 season (if we need to) or we could make an offer to extend Shields as well. This flexibility could be absolutely crucial to a small market team like the Royals.


TL;DR- Kendrick has a hefty price tag and what we would have to give up for his career output could be jeopardizing to our rotation/lineup in 2014 and beyond.

Read it, saw the other posts, still want him.

alnorth 06-18-2013 11:04 AM

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duncan_idaho 06-18-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9759147)
I still say go after Andre Ethier and see how much salary the Dodgers are willing to pay of it.

If they're willing to pick up 50 percent of the rest of that contract, it might be worth exploring. Only issue at that point is that he's SO overpaid, even if KC was only on the hook for 1/2 of the contract, he still might not be worth it.

You'd be paying almost $9 million/year for the age 32-36 seasons of a guy who OPSed less than .800 over the past three years. Could end up being a crippling contract.

WhawhaWhat 06-18-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9759207)
If they're willing to pick up 50 percent of the rest of that contract, it might be worth exploring. Only issue at that point is that he's SO overpaid, even if KC was only on the hook for 1/2 of the contract, he still might not be worth it.

You'd be paying almost $9 million/year for the age 32-36 seasons of a guy who OPSed less than .800 over the past three years. Could end up being a crippling contract.

and he's injury prone.


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